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Virulent 'Crocodile' Drug Hits The Street (Warning:Graphic/Disturbing Images)
The Local (Germany) ^ | October 12, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/13/2011 4:07:43 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad

The drug, known as “crocodile,” is synthesized from codeine and has been commonly used by as a substitute for heroin in Russia for the last few years. But its effects are much worse – some users have their skin peel off and parts of their bodies become gangrenous.

After they begin using, addicts typically have a life expectancy of just a few years.

(Excerpt) Read more at thelocal.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drugs; germany; heroin; ronpaul; ronpaulvoters; russia
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Some people want drugs legalised.

Yes: That will bring flames.

Life is hard, it’s even harder when you are stupid.


2 posted on 10/13/2011 4:11:18 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Drugs don’t hurt people. Just as many FReepers here.../DARK SAR


3 posted on 10/13/2011 4:14:28 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Venturer
Some people want drugs legalised.

The legal drugs will never bring the thrill of the illegal drugs. That is something the liberals/libertarians never want to discuss.

I do not favor the drug war, either. I favor holding individuals accountable for their actions.

4 posted on 10/13/2011 4:14:34 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Venturer; All

Here’s a more proper link to the Wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine


5 posted on 10/13/2011 4:17:43 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

hmmmm. Zombies?


6 posted on 10/13/2011 4:21:46 AM PDT by Sertorius (A hayseed with no Greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Street drugs get more and more dangerous. The way it's going, the problem will become self-correcting, if you get my drift...

Mike

7 posted on 10/13/2011 4:22:38 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I do not use them and I don’t like them.

However, I would legalize them so they can be regulated so that they safe to use so you don’t see people rot away like that.

That woman with the forearm has got to be in a world of hurt.


9 posted on 10/13/2011 4:25:16 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

what insanity

people do not use drugs because they are illegal

they use to get high

how is regulation going to take away their desire to get high?

You pro druggies losers are insane


10 posted on 10/13/2011 4:26:54 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Pushers need to die.


11 posted on 10/13/2011 4:27:37 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Egads! That is horrifying! Don’t they have doctors and nurses in Germany that can at least bandage those people up?


12 posted on 10/13/2011 4:27:47 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

doesn’t look real to me, but if it is, you can be sure its’ coming soon to an ‘occupation’ near you


13 posted on 10/13/2011 4:27:50 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

14 posted on 10/13/2011 4:28:01 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Venturer

Make this available freely (change the name of course) and the major part of the addiction problem in this country is solved with just a couple of years.


15 posted on 10/13/2011 4:31:47 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: RaceBannon

they use opiates because they’re addicted. do you smoke? try quitting if you do. I’m not pro-legalization in anyway, I’m just pro-reality. Drug addiction in America is a very serious problem that deserves very serious and honest debate and it rarely gets that.


16 posted on 10/13/2011 4:32:00 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Jeez, looks like the trailer for The Walking Dead’s new season.


17 posted on 10/13/2011 4:32:44 AM PDT by Blado (Audemus jura nostra defendere)
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To: 101voodoo

see post 16.


18 posted on 10/13/2011 4:32:49 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: Venturer
And some people still support that ill-begotten stepchild of the New Deal laughably known as the Drug War.

When the nanny/welfare state begins to sink of its own weight, the WOD will sink right along with it.

19 posted on 10/13/2011 4:35:25 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Erik Latranyi
The legal drugs will never bring the thrill of the illegal drugs. That is something the liberals/libertarians never want to discuss.

i thought that was the whole point of legalising drugs? if they're common, readily available, and regulated, it takes away a lot of the mystique and makes it less tempting.
20 posted on 10/13/2011 4:35:25 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: RaceBannon

It’s called harm reduction. If God in the Old Testament incorporated harm reduction in His dealings with Ancient Israel, shouldn’t we consider the same thing?

I’m not pro-drug, but I recognize that if somebody is going to die to get their high, I’d rather have them get their high without that happening.

These gangs are working to create drugs that are addictive enough that even touching them could be enough to get you addicted, so even if you are stridently against drugs and would never do them, you could find yourself with an unbeatable addiction.


21 posted on 10/13/2011 4:39:59 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: RaceBannon

You are so right.
Drugs are greatly helping to destroy our country & other
countries. Legalizing them won’t make them or their destructive influence wane.


22 posted on 10/13/2011 4:40:44 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: ZX12R; All

The photos came from Russia, where apparently, this drug is becoming quite the scourge, to say the least.

Many people say that drug abusers are zombies: well, here’s one drug that genuinely turns you into one.

I haven’t read up on whether this drug has spread to Ukraine, Poland, etc: I’m sure it has, by now. If they’re finding it in Germany, I’m sure it’s elsewhere in the former East Bloc. I live near the border between the Czech Republic and Poland, and I haven’t seen anyone (yet) looking like an extra from “Dawn of the Dead”. But I’m sure it’s around.


23 posted on 10/13/2011 4:46:28 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
The legal drugs will never bring the thrill of the illegal drugs."

I assume you are not talking from experience. I was in the UK when heroin addicts could register for free heroin. I can assure you those that were successful were absolutely thrilled. So much so a lot more people wanted on the program than got on.
Biggest problem was the registered addicts would get more heroin than they needed and sell off the excess. That was the major factor in ending the program.
24 posted on 10/13/2011 4:47:59 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Perdogg

Maybe. Sure looks like it, though.


25 posted on 10/13/2011 4:48:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Good grief! How could you do this to yourself?


26 posted on 10/13/2011 4:48:33 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Jonty30

Not necessarily. After all, this particular drug is an opiate, derived from codeine.

Odds are, the users may not feel much pain, as the narcotic they’re taking is a painkiller. Horrifically ironic.


27 posted on 10/13/2011 4:50:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Sad to say, but substance abusers don’t always think of the consequences of their actions. Sadly, that’s a part of human nature, especially amongst the young. It’s only with the passing of time, and gaining the wisdom that comes with a little life experience under your belt, that you develop foresight.

Of course, that doesn’t apply to everyone.....lots of people do stupid things, even at an age where most people would assume a certain degree of maturity. C’est la vie.


28 posted on 10/13/2011 4:54:34 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Good point, at the beginning anyway.

However, with so many nerve endings being exposed, I’m not sure if there are enough pain killers in the world that you could give somebody if they are that far into an addiction that they can literally rot away and not feel anything.


29 posted on 10/13/2011 5:01:06 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Venturer; TSgt; All

Basically, this drug is a homebrew. It’s component ingredients are:

1) Terpincod (an over-the-counter codeine available in Russia, etc)

2) Mr. Muscle (a monoethanolamine-based oven cleaner)

3) Hydrochloric acid

4) Gasoline

Sound just peachy, doesn’t it? Seeing as it’s made from common ingredients, I imagine it’s easy to manufacture, and thus pretty inexpensive. Looking at the list of ingredients, there’s really nothing there you should be putting in your body, aside from the codeine, which is fairly normal painkiller, and harmless enough provided you’re not abusing it.


30 posted on 10/13/2011 5:05:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jonty30
If God in the Old Testament incorporated harm reduction in His dealings with Ancient Israel, shouldn't we consider the same thing?

Speaking of biblical times, I was wondering if they had anything like our drug prohibition. I know that public drunkenness was punished, but was the use/sale/possession of any intoxicants against the law back then?

If not, was there any suggestion in the Bible that such laws should be in place?

31 posted on 10/13/2011 5:06:48 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Jonty30

True enough....the ultimate irony, of course is that they more they rot away, the users probably ending taking even MORE of the drug to ease the pain. The ultimate downward spiral, if you will.


32 posted on 10/13/2011 5:07:19 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: RC one

Exactly! Drugs are a problem because too many people in our society do not have the courage to do what is necessary to fix the problem.

It sould be obvious that current anti-drug policies do not work. If it were me my primary assault would be on the distribution side of the illegal drug trade. People convicted of distributing—I don’t are how much—should get the death penalty. Without distribution, the drug lords cannot function.

Of course I would continue to pursue the producers. That includes the king pins and the people working for them who process the drugs. Like the rabid animals they are, they should be shot on sight.

Heartless and cruel? What about the woman with the consumed forearm? What about her family? And what about the children of her and people like her? True, she chose to tickle the dragon. But if the dragon is not there it cannot be tickled.


33 posted on 10/13/2011 5:07:38 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: TSgt

The argument that if you legalize drugs it will reduce crime is about as silly as you can get.

Will they legalize ALL drugs?
A. No.
Therefore, those that are still illegal (the really nasty ones) will still be on the black market and that’s where the crime will shift to.

Also, if they did, this would create a new market for new synthesized drugs such as this one, each with its own “hangover.” There’s no such thing as an artificial rush without consequences.

B. Yes.
Criminals will turn to other crimes. Drug crime does not occur because drugs are illegal. They occur because CRIMINALS want to make a fast buck. That means engaging in illegal activity that is high-risk and therefore high-profit. If all drugs are made legal (which will never happen), then those CRIMINALS will turn to another crime. They won’t suddenly run out and get jobs based on LEGAL activity saying, “Whew. I’m so glad they finally legalized drugs. I was really getting tired of making all that money and living the life of a gangster. Now I can finally get my GED and become an accountant!”


34 posted on 10/13/2011 5:08:53 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

My word, if the outside looks that bad, it is hard to imagine the internal and mental damage this poison inflicts.


35 posted on 10/13/2011 5:11:27 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Why but WHY did I look at the pictures when it specifically says :

Warning:Graphic/Disturbing Images

.... And WHY is she smiling????!!!!

36 posted on 10/13/2011 5:13:03 AM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: Kakaze

Indeed.

Refer to post #30, which lists the ingredients.

Can’t imagine any of that would be too beneficial for the internal organs, not to mention the brain and central nervous system.


37 posted on 10/13/2011 5:14:41 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: ToxicMich

Maybe she’s high, and thus not feeling a thing.


38 posted on 10/13/2011 5:15:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Yes. And every one of those drug users, I’m sure, laughed when they were warned to stay away from such stupidity.


39 posted on 10/13/2011 5:19:19 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

After they begin using, addicts typically have a life expectancy of just a few years.

And the problem is???


40 posted on 10/13/2011 5:22:12 AM PDT by bikerman
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To: RaceBannon

I am trying to think of an adequate punishment for possessing this drug. $100 fine? Probably not enough. 6 months in jail? Probably not enough. I think as punishment for using this drug, they should have the skin stripped from their forearms. On second thought I bet that would not even be enough.


41 posted on 10/13/2011 5:24:16 AM PDT by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: Ken H

As far as I know, while there were no prohibitions of any sorts, God did not excuse behaviour due to being under the influence.


42 posted on 10/13/2011 5:24:34 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: dools0007world
People convicted of distributing—I don’t are how much—should get the death penalty. Without distribution, the drug lords cannot function. Of course I would continue to pursue the producers. That includes the king pins and the people working for them who process the drugs. Like the rabid animals they are, they should be shot on sight.

You think this would be a deterrent? This is what drug dealers and kingpins face every day from rival drug dealers. This is why drug kingpins live in compounds and surround themselves with bodyguards.

You are not describing what is necessary to fix the problem. You are describing the status quo.

43 posted on 10/13/2011 5:25:13 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Venturer
Ask any 16 year old to go get you drugs.....they can get them at school in 10 minutes.

Now, ask that same kid to go get you beer.....he will have a VERY difficult time.

It is MUCH easier for any teenager to get drugs than it is to get beer...because beer is legal and regulated.

So, as with ALL "liberal" thought, you accomplish the EXACT OPPOSITE of your intent with your nanny state solutions.

And, this doesn't even include the lost tax revenue.

The War on Some Drugs is about the most evil "war on" ever devised. And, furthermore, anyone who supports it is one of Lenin's "useful idiots" - fighting AGAINST freedom "for the children".

44 posted on 10/13/2011 5:27:13 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: KeepUSfree
freedom "for the children".

Tell that to the drug addicted babies my wife has to deal with each day at the hospital.

It is a fact that absolutely nothing positive comes from drug use.

But hey, while you are at it go ahead and legalize sex with children, animals, incest, etc. because who wants a nanny state right?
45 posted on 10/13/2011 5:43:12 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Even if drugs are legalized, drug suppliers will still need to operate outside the law.

Can you imagine being the poor lawyer who has to defend a product liability lawsuit on Krokodil? "Well, yes Your Honor, my client's product did rot the plaintiff's flesh, cause gangrene, and premature death, but the plaintiff in this case was warned in advance..." Even conventional heroin has too much liability to make it defensible in court.

So drug producers and suppliers will still have to operate in a black market, so they can remain anonymous to their customers and thus free from liability. Legalization will change nothing.

46 posted on 10/13/2011 5:48:07 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave)
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To: KeepUSfree

Thanks for straightening me out.

Here I was thinking people who want drugs legalised were the idiots/

LMAO.


47 posted on 10/13/2011 5:53:25 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Haiku Guy

Perhaps a warning label would solve that problem.

In the case of “krokodil”, I propose the following;

Caution. Use of this product may cause dependency, serious internal and neurological damage, catastrophic epidermal damage, and death. Use at your own risk: producer assumes no liability for damages or death which may occur.

Maybe accompanied by the photo of the young lady (?) whose arm looks like a chicken drumstick after a chihuahua got hold of it.


48 posted on 10/13/2011 6:00:44 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Haiku Guy

During the prohibition, people risked being blind from an inept stiller who produced methanol instead of ethanol.

With alcohol legalized, how many cases do you hear about people going blind from illegally run stills?

There will probably always be illegal drugs, but at least by regulating them we can ensure that minimum harm is done.

It would also free up resources to go after the worst of it, which should drive the costs of these drugs to unaffordable levels.


49 posted on 10/13/2011 6:03:03 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

ping


50 posted on 10/13/2011 6:09:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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