Skip to comments.Ohio Division of Wildlife considers opening deer hunting to certain center-fire rifles
Posted on 10/13/2011 5:23:33 AM PDT by marktwain
Outdoor writer Jeffrey L. Frischkorn recently publicized discussions at the Ohio Division of Wildlife to open deer hunting to firearms other than certain handguns, shotguns and muzzle-loading rifles.
From the article:
As for the future of deer management in Ohio, that is a subject under review, said [Mike Tonkovich, the Ohio Division of Wildlife's deer management administrator].
The biologist is in the process of sending out a random survey of all licensed Ohio hunters. One of the questions being asked is whether hunters would support an antlerless-only muzzle-loading season in October.
Also being explored is whether to liberalize the regulations more by allowing certain types of rifles for use in deer hunting during the firearms hunting season.
A potential problem with such a change would be a hunter would simply switch from using a shotgun to a rifle, rather than drawing in new hunting recruits.
"There are good arguments on both sides of this issue, and I'm happy we are discussing this topic," Tonkovich said. "We have an obligation to go to the table. That's progress, frankly."
Buckeye Firearms Association leaders Larry Moore, Aaron Kirkingburg, and "Buckeye" Dan Allen have been participating in discussions on this issue with the Division of Wildlife for some time now. Following is the proposal submitted by BFA:
Rifle Hunting Proposal for Ohio
* Any cartridge currently legal to hunt with in a handgun, would be legal in a rifle.
No complex or confusing regulations or list of rifle only cartridges. The parameters for handgun cartridges would be kept exactly as they are, so there will be no additional layer of regulation specific to rifles. * Black powder cartridge rifles would be legal during regular gun season.
Not to be confused with muzzle loaders, and no inclusion in any of the primitive weapon seasons. Caliber requirements remain the same as pistols in that anything .357 or larger in a black powder cartridge would be legal. * Compliance for 3 shot rule using dummy rounds, or similar "simple" fix.
Find a system of compliance for the three shot rule that does not require costly permanent, or semi permanent modifications to the firearm. * Sunset provision giving DNR an "out" in 4-6 years if unforeseen problems result.
Include a time frame for the "trial period" in which a field assessment of the new regulations can take place. Thus giving the Division of Wildlife, and the Wildlife Council an intact system for returning things to the way they were. Include parameters for allowing the regulation to sunset vs. become law. * Make these changes effective state wide if possible.
At least the pistol caliber cartridges should be state wide. If any "zoning" is to occur, limit the black powder cartridges to "foothill" counties. Leaving Glaciated Ohio, or "the flatland" counties closed to the use of black powder cartridges.
Buckeye Firearms Association will continue to provide updates to this effort as new information becomes available.
I think the ban on using rifles in Ohio is supposed to be due to the flatness of our land.
Buckshot and pumpkin balls don’t travel as far.
Next door in hilly PA, rifles are ok.
i wish michigan would let us use rifle throughout the state.
Here in Michigan the rifle regulations are due to population. You can’t use them for deer hunting here in the far south but north of Lansing they’re OK.
Yeah it just takes a little common sense.
Indiana did this several years ago. The lever action carbine in 44 mag is perfect for 100+/- yards. I hope Illinois considers it soon.
yup. it doesn’t make sense that it’s ok for me to target shoot and hunt small game with a rifle, but i can’t use them on the same property for deer.
What about rifled shotgun barrels with sabboted ballistic slugs?
I don care if they use a Howitzer as long as they kill them down enough so I can drive the road without ducking them.
Damn things are everywhere. In the evenings they are all over the roads.
Iowa deer hunters are limited to shotgun slugs. I think there was an attempt to add pistols but don’t know if this passed the legislature.
Plagiarized from Chuckhawks.com
From the web site: http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm
These days most of the major shotshell manufacturers also offer sabot slug loads for 12 and 20 gauge shotguns. These are for use only in fully rifled barrels. How a long arm with a fully rifled barrel can be termed a "shotgun," I fail to understand, but that is beside the point. These loads are essentially equivalent to the kind of loads used in modern, high performance muzzleloading rifles.
Since the Remington catalog is still open in front of me, I will use their sabot slugs as representative of the type. Bear in mind that, as with sabot bullets for muzzleloaders, they're plenty of variations available.
Remington offers 12 and 20 gauge Premier sabot loads with both JHP bonded lead core bullets and solid copper hollow point bullets. The former are called "Premier Core-Lokt Ultra," and latter are "Premier Copper Solid."
The 12 gauge Core-Lokt Ultra sabot bullet is a .50 caliber, 385 grain HP semi-spitzer. The catalog MV is 1900 fps and the 100 yard velocity is 1648 fps. The ME is given as 3086 ft. lbs. and the remaining energy at 100 yards is 2325 ft. lbs. The trajectory of that load looks like this: +1.8" at 50 yards, +2.4" at 100 yards, and +/- 0" at 150 yards.
The 20 gauge sabot bullet weighs 260 grains. It also has a MV of 1900 fps, and its velocity at 100 yards is given as 1615 fps. The ME is 2084 ft. lbs., and the remaining energy at 100 yards is 1506 ft. lbs. The trajectory of that load looks like this: +2.0" at 50 yards, +2.7" at 100 yards, and +/- 0" at 150 yards.
As I wrote at the outset, this are similar to the ballistics obtainable with high performance, .50 caliber, inline muzzleloading rifles. Accuracy is apparently not quite as good as the best muzzleloaders, as Remington claims consistent 2 1/2" 5-shot groups at 100 yards. But that is impressive accuracy from any kind of shotgun--even if it is really a rifle!
Clearly, the use of these sabot bullet loads completely negates the rationale behind the "shotgun only" deer hunts. Not only are these shotguns with rifled barrels technically rifles, they shoot like rifles. In fact, they equal traditional big game rifle cartridges such as the .45-70 and .38-55.
Damn things are everywhere. In the evenings they are all over the roads.AA
A few years ago the State of Iowa in conjunction with automobile insurance companies came with a short phrase:
Don't Veer For Deer!
It sounds a bit corny, but with people killed because the driver went off the road and hit a tree or had a head on crash with another vehicle it could be good advice.
It’s an anachronism from the agrarian days.
Yes Ohio still has loads of farms but there certainly aren’t armies of workers in the fields, only mechanized equipment now.
What is a 12 gauge rifle ?
Can you use a T/C Encore?
As a pistol, it is chambered in nearly every rifle cartridge imaginable.
Great advice until one comes through the windshield and lands in your lap.
The car’s front end has to be high enough to hit the deer in the side and not hit under the belly.
Do all those words mean that my Yugo M24/47 will rack up its first kill?
The Ohio DNR web site lists this as the handgun requirement:
“handgun with 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger”
So any necked rifle cartridge would not be acceptable.
A 12 gauge bolt action shotgun with a rifled barrel, sorry I left off the words bolt action.
I think Browning makes one using their A Bolt action and Savage makes one using their 110 bolt action. There maybe others.
Remington has rifled barrels for pumps and semi-autos.
Hastings makes rifled barrels for shotguns as well.
If they can kill a deer at 200 yds with a modern sabot load they sure sound like a rifle to me.
In my state in the deep, deep South, we use rifles. Most people also hunt out of some sort of raised stand when still hunting so the bullet ends up in the deer or the ground. And yes, we still hunt with dogs, although becoming less common over the years. No problem with rifles either way.
You and me both. Actually this was brought up in session and passed the house. it is now in the Senate. Looks like it will become the law next year.
Perhaps to plant an idea in the minds of drivers before a deer popped out on the road in front of then.
Just my guess that the idea was to hit your brakes rather than jerk the wheel on two lane roads.
I think Kansas tried a program similar to Iowa. Insurance companies and the state of Pennsylvania have studied how to cut down on injuries to people in deer-automble crashes.
On a two lane road not far from me one driver veered to miss a dog. He had a head on crash with another car, both drivers died at the scene.
SE TX is as flat as you can get...much flatter than most parts of Ohio I would wager. We use rifles. For our dog-sized deer, most use a .243 or 30-30...but 7 mags are common as are 30-06. The bullet just has to stay on your land.
“What about rifled shotgun barrels with sabboted ballistic slugs?”
I think those are allowed here.
I gather though that they don’t have the range of a hi powered rifle bullet.
The link you provided states black powder cartridges not pistol cartridges. I guess I could break out the old 45-70 sharps.
“I think Kansas tried a program similar to Iowa. Insurance companies and the state of Pennsylvania have studied how to cut down on injuries to people in deer-automble crashes.”
The deer population here in Ohio is very high. Open season would do a lot to help thin the population and reduce deer-automobile crashes.
Unless you are riding a motorcycle.
Yes you are correct but that is an improvement.
If you get tired of lugging that old heavy rifle around in the deer woods come to Missouri.
A 25 ACP is legal for deer.
He didn't know the cow was in his back seat until the next morning.
I see. So .45-70, .458 Win Mag is OK!
That and probably the population density too......The entire southern half of Michigan is restricted to shotguns and black powder for deer hunting and I think it's a good idea.
Last fall I read an article about a home owner who lived in a semi-rural area about 45 miles north of me who had a rifle slug come thru the side of her house.
A few years ago I was rabbit hunting with a buddy in a small wooded area when some jackass started target shooting from his back yard with a semi-auto and his target was on a post he had set up in the field behind his house. We were in the woods beyond the field...
The rounds were whizzing thru the trees around us like bees......We got the hell out of there fast then took a drive over to the guy's house and my buddy had words with him about the foolishness of what he was doing without a proper backstop or berm behind his target.......
I’m a shooter myself and all for the 2nd Ammendment. But i have to admit it is scary what some of these clowns will do!
That's not a guarantee either since many deer are bounding across the roads when they are hit.....That happened two years ago to my niece's husband's SUV. The deer came flying up out of a ditch at night when the husband, doing about 60 mph, nailed it. Totalled his front end but fortunately the deer was thrown up and over the front hood high enough that it just missed the windshield.
I live in a highly densely populated area north of Detroit that has small pockets of wooded areas in and outside of subdivisions where these damn deer live and thrive. Unfortunately, they can't be hunted due to the close proximity to back yards and houses. So, it's not surprising to see a dead deer beside the road while driving to the local gas station or supermarket......
Here is the code:
Look under 1501:31-15-11 Deer regulations
C 2 a (iii).
Looks like you could use a .500 Nitro express if you wrist can handle it.
I also think they're OK in Ohio. Hunting regs don't specifically say. When I'm there (my parents have a farm in Muskingum County), I use an H&R "Ultra Slug" 12 ga. slug gun (with a scope), which has the rifled barrel. And I use Lightfield brand sabot slugs for ammo. Always been a pretty good combination for me - haven't missed a clean shot on a deer yet. At 100 yards, where the crosshair is that's where the slug hits. But at 150 yards it starts to drop pretty fast.
You're overthinking this.
You can never have too much gun! :)
Huh??? Rifles are currently illegal to hunt deer with in OH? That’s weird. In most states I think they’re kind of the firearm of choice.
Makes no sense when you consider that there are states flatter than Ohio that allow rifle hunting ... like my Louisiana. Not sure how we make it every year :)