Cain Leapfrogs Romney to Vault to Lead in Poll

Cain Leapfrogs Romney to Vault to Lead in Poll Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/1 ^ | 10-13-11 | Fox News

[GailA]

After ruling out 0 lite Romney, open borders Perry, merge VA care with Medicare, Bachmann, and kookie Ron Paul.

Cain makes the most sense. He will be in Memphis on Friday.

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[tirednvirginia]

Polls don’t translate to votes at this stage. If you don’t have a campaign set up anywhere and you don’t have the bucks to do so there will be no one in any state getting the votes out for you.

Cain needs a miracle as much as any of the other non Romney candidates at this point and soon most people will understand this. Mitt Romney understands this very well and could care less if Herman Cain is ahead in the polls.

He has told us its okay to vote for Herman Cain.

[GailA]

All the other losers should give their campaign cash to Cain, he will need it to battle 0 who has funneled BILLIONS into the unions, to re-funnel into his re-election campaign.

[GailA]

All the other losers should give their campaign cash to Cain, he will need it to battle 0 who has funneled BILLIONS into the unions, to re-funnel into his re-election campaign. Instead the selfish will keep their campaign money as a slush fund.

[MNJohnnie]

He has told us its okay to vote for Herman Cain.

Rather then continue to cling feverishly to your emotions about Perry, time to face reality. Perry is done.

[dps.inspect]

What will happen when others finally drop out... I predict that of the other truly conservative candidates, Cain will likely pick up 2/3’s of those supporters while the last third will go to Romney or stay home... 90% of Ron Paul’s supporters will likely not vote or go with an Independent or Libertarian candidate. As far as worries about the 999 tax, once Cain gets to the white house, I predict his plan will merge with a few others’ plans to simplify the tax code and make it fairer. Note sure that many people want a consumption tax, certainly not 9% on top of state sales tax of 8 to 12%... however, that kind of tax on consumption may protect some folks from binge buying and charging to credit cards and force some to save... anyway...

[Savage Beast]

I saw Bill O'Reilly and Charles Krauthammer last night--condescendingly!--dismissing Cain's candidacy on the grounds that he "cannot win"--as though a weak candidate like Perry or a RINO like Romney could!

Cain can dance circles around the Republican Establishment's candidates AND anything the Democrats can put up.

So a well financed political organization shoved Perry into the spotlight, and look what happened: he fell flat on his face.

And with all the money and organization behind Romney, Cain continues to beat him in the polls, the debates, and everywhere else.

It's the secret of good marketing: a good product.

Cain is an excellent product. And he's an easy sell.

Perry and Romney just don't have it, and they never will.

All you who are wasting your resources on the non-electable, wise up, and put your support behind a WINNER: HERMAN CAIN!

Not only can Cain win, but he can and apparently will do what we need once he has won.

America does not need another professional politician in Washington.

[GilGil]

I am very glad you said this. I have had the impression for months now that the alternative media, radio and TV, is getting presumptuous and lazy. They are benefiting from people wanting an alternative and they are the recipients of too much viewer business. They are raking in the bonanza and are becoming disconnected from their audiences.

I was listening to Hugh Hewitt yesterday and he was so establishment Republican. He should come right out and have said it. “ You stupid listeners! I say you will vote for Romney and that is that.”

Hewitt is salivating at the thought of coronating a new Republican king just like some of the other conservative media types. I did not like the way Hewitt caused O’Donnell to lose in Delaware. He was gunning for her like the establishment Republicans and they lost that election not O’Donnell.

This is the same thing here. The only one out of the bunch not adhering to the template that I know of is Rush. He keeps saying that this is really not over as far as nominating a candidate. I loved his recent comment about McCain during the last election. He said that a year out from that election McCain was third, broke and had been written off. Then he rose to clinch the nomination. I think he was talking about Cain’s prospects.

My very big concern is Cain’s ability to raise money in time to put an army together to fight Obama. That was also McCain’s problem. At the same time no one was really excited about McCain. This time I think people would be throwing money at Cain. Still, he will need a ton of money and that concerns me greatly.

The conservative radio and TV types have gotten much too fat and happy and lazy and they are the problem here impeding our success.

[dps.inspect]

I think that what they base their beliefs on is mostly money, and how the big money is going to the second and third place holders... but I believe the common folk will be the driver of this car, not the talking heads and money buckets.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Votes come from money, and money comes from expectations of success. Expectation of success comes from polls.

Cain is still at the “polls” part of the equation, but his expectation of success is rapidly gaining a foothold. Once that starts, money will come is will equal alacrity.

New Hampshire looks like it will screw Romney by pushing before Christmas, that will give Cain breathing room to focus on Iowa. The good news is that Iowa is a ground up State and you can do that on the cheap. If Cain can win Iowa, he should sail through South Carolina and if he does that, money is no longer an issue.

[Fantasywriter]

I don’t mind Perry’s people being anti-Cain—that’s what the primary season is all about. You push for your candidate and do all you can to help him/her prevail.

What I mind are the outright lies that have been told about Cain, right here on FR. That is shameful and disgraceful. People I have thought better of have said, ‘Cain is pro-gay marriage’ or ‘Cain said he wanted Mitt as VP’. Others, who don’t know any better, read those things and believe them. It’s disgusting. Tell people what’s good about your own candidate, and point out honestly what’s wrong w somebody else’s, but Do Not Lie. Lying is liberal; telling the truth is conservative.

Btw, I am one-hundred percent behind Cain, but his support of TARP and the fact he spoke favorably of Greenspan made me want to slap some sense into him. Anti-Cain folks, take notice. You *can* criticize a candidate w’out lying about him. Just cite what he’s actually said, rather than making up quotes and attributing them to him.

[greeneyes]

When it comes to personality and communication ability, Cain is more like Reagan than Romney or Perry. He is able to speak in a concise manner which makes him easy to understand, and harder for the LSM to undermine. JMHO.

[tirednvirginia]

Could be. But at least he has a campaign in most of the states which is where actual votes originate.

[USS Alaska]

The poll of 1,000 adults, conducted from Oct. 6-10, comes as many Republican donors and officials have begun to rally around Romney as the party's likely nominee, despite a continued lack of enthusiasm for him documented in the new poll.

1) This poll was of 1,000 adults, if it were likely primary voters, Cain would be even further ahead.

2) It was conducted before the NH debate and Cain really kicked butt in that debate.

If one were to poll 1,000 likely pubbie primary voters, today, I'd bet that Herman would be ahead at least 2 - 1.

[W. W. SMITH]

of all the candidates he is the most conservative.

And the least encumbered with obligations.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

Why so much negativity toward Cain on FR???

While there are legitimate discussions to be had, particularly on how wise some provisions of 9-9-9 are, the negativity is almost entirely from desperate (and mostly probably paid) Perry supporters.

Just like the Romney supporters of 2007/08, they try to destroy everyone else to prop up a completely unsuitable candidate.

[MNJohnnie]

No, LOTS is know about Cain. Those who do NOT know are merely ignoring everything to cling to their emotional attachment to one of the other candidates.

Please explain to me why we should see Cain as the Stalking Horse and not Perry? Who got in the race last after it was clear Romney was not going to get any appreciable support from Tea Party Conservatives?

Wonder who Perry will be VP with?

Odd how that question never gets asked of Perry.

Could it be because everyone knows Perry is the GOP Establishment mole in the race to split the Tea Party/Conservative vote and hand the nomination to Romney?

Could it be because they know the ticket the GOP Machine is setting up is “Romney/Perry 2012? Think about it. Romney has the money, Perry has the idolitrous worship from the social conseravtives.

Could that be why the Perry camp is knowingly lying about Cain’s solidly Conservative record on both social and fiscal issues? Because they know full well Perry’s record can not stand close scrutiny?

What does anyone really know about Perry other then the nice words and platitudes he puts in his speeches? Looks like Perry is just Bush 3.0 another tough talking social conservative who will go to DC and be yet another good little GOP crony capitalist water boy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274042/perry-and-giuliani-katrina-trinko

Rick Perry is a Texan who boasts about how he shot a coyote during a morning jog. Rudy Giuliani is a New Yorker who has appeared before crowds in full drag as “Rudia.”

When it comes to political “romances,” Perry and Giuliani rank high on the list of odd couples. Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential run came as shock to many in the GOP, who wondered why such a robust social conservative was the first (and ultimately, only) Republican governor to endorse a candidate who is openly pro-abortion and favors gay rights. But that endorsement was no one-time incident, nor a flash in the pan. For over a decade, Perry and Giuliani have supported one another through a series of races, with endorsements, public statements, and fundraising assistance. Different they may be, but they are nothing if not committed

s far back as 1999, Perry served as the honorary Texas chairman of Giuliani’s New York senatorial campaign. (The Texans for Giuliani invitation to a $1,000 per plate luncheon that Perry hosted employed this message: “We Texans need to ask ourselves how helpful do we think Hillary Rodham Clinton would be to the Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush if he were to become president?”) In both 2002 and 2006, Giuliani returned the favor, endorsing Perry’s gubernatorial runs. In the 2006 race — a difficult one for Perry, who would ultimately eke out a win with 39 percent of the vote, just enough to catapult him over the other candidates in the four-person race — Giuliani’s endorsement was well-utilized and undoubtedly useful. In addition to a radio spot featuring America’s mayor, the Perry campaign sent out a fundraising letter touting Giuliani’s endorsement of Perry as a “strong and determined leader.”

In 2005, Giuliani joined Texas law firm Bracewell & Patterson (re-named Bracewell & Giuliani), strengthening his ties to the Lone Star State — and to affluent Texas Republicans ripe for fundraising appeals. Two years later, he sought out Perry’s endorsement for his 2008 presidential run. He got it.

A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.

After citing the importance of the War on Terror, Perry publicly explained his Giuliani endorsement by pointing to the former mayor of New York’s track record: “What I look for is results, and Rudy Giuliani is the individual who will give us the results that will make America safer, that will move our economy forward, that will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, that covers a host of issues that are important to me and I think a lot of my colleagues and Americans as well,” he enthusiastically told Fox News host Brian Kilmeade in fall, 2007.

In that interview, Perry brushed off the ideological differences between the two men. He noted that he and Giuliani had discussed some of the issues that divided them, and spent an “inordinate amount of time together over the course of the last six weeks talking about issues both on the phone and face to face.” Those discussion satisfied Perry. According to the Dallas Morning News, Perry told reporters that Giuliani had “assured [Perry] that in nominating Supreme Court justices and on other important issues, a Giuliani administration would serve the conservative cause.”

Perry’s pre-emptive attempt to acknowledge that — and explain why — he had endorsed a candidate whose views on social issues differed so markedly from his own did not soften the surprise. In the aftermath of the announcement, much of the media coverage centered on speculation that Perry was aiming at the second slot on the ticket. Perry shot that down forcefully, saying bluntly he wouldn’t consider the vice presidency, but rumors abounded nonetheless. The Dallas Morning News reported that the Perry political camp saw little choice other than Giuliani since “Mr. Thompson’s campaign has sputtered and Sen. John McCain of Arizona is a long-shot.” (The relationship between Romney and Perry, if not outright hostile, had been at least complicated since an incident at the 2002 Olympics where the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate, something for which Perry criticized Romney.) But the disbelief persisted: In comparison to Perry, “Giuliani comes across like Michael Moore,” wrote Austin American-Statesman columnist John Kelso, comparing the duo to “Dick Cheney touring with the Dixie Chicks.”

Despite the controversy, Perry did not downplay his endorsement but instead became a more vocal supporter of Giuliani. He campaigned for him in South Carolina, and that fall went on a four-day sweep through Iowa. Talking to voters at a roundtable in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Perry made his pitch for Giuliani by striking a pragmatic tone: “ You can have your purist candidate,” he argued. But “if they can’t win, you just wasted your time.” The voters were not convinced. A Dallas Morning News headline summed up Perry’s success in Iowa: “Perry Wins over Voters — But Not for Giuliani. Iowans Like Messenger More than His Message.”

In December, Perry added to the tension with a slip of the tongue. Defending Giuliani’s pro-abortion stance by citing his promise to support strict constructionist judges, the Houston Chronicle reported Perry saying, “Then the issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support, and it is Mike Huckabee.” When questioned about what he had just said, Perry immediately called the Huckabee mention an “error.” But it lead to another round of publicity: The Austin American-Statesman headline said Perry had “defended” his Huckabee mention as “un-Freudian,” planting an idea in voters’ minds unlikely to cheer the Giuliani campaign.

As Giuliani’s campaign fell into disarray, Perry kept fighting, doing a five-stop sweep in January through Florida introducing Giuliani at rallies. But it wasn’t enough, and, when the Guiliani campaign impoloded at the height of the 2008 primary season, Perry found himself without a candidate. In February, he endorsed McCain, employing unsentimental language: “He and I may not agree on every issue,” Perry said when announcing the new endorsement, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Guiliani’s presidential ambitions may have evaporated in the Florida sunshine, but his friendship with Rick Perry continues to this day. In the 2010 gubernatorial primary, Giuliani backed Perry over the more socially moderate Kay Bailey Hutchinson, even going so far as to go to Texas to campaign for his friend. And the two don’t limit their conversation exclusively to politics: Perry told a Dallas audience last year that Giuliani had offered to bet him a pair of Texas cowboy boots that the New York Yankees would beat the Texas Rangers in the upcoming round of playoffs leading up to the World Series. (Perry must have received his boots: The Rangers won the series, 4–2.)

Now, with the 2012 primary drawing near, and both men considered possible candidates, their comity remains. “Rick has got a great record, probably one of the strongest records of any governor in America, and one of the longest running governorships. Rick is a good friend,” Giuliani told CNN this July. Dave Carney, a top political adviser to Perry, told the Washington Post that same month that “Rudy would be an awesome asset to any campaign. Of course candidates matter to voters, but folks of the mayor’s stature bring lot of value added to any effort.”

And so the bromance continues.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

You know who was completely out of money and had no chance in 2008 at this point? John McCain. You know who had all the money and was a ‘sure thing’ because of that according to his boneheaded supporters? Mitt Romney.

PLEASE stop with the BS trying to anoint Rick Perry because he raised a decent amount of money before he imploded. It doesn’t matter now. He’s imploded. No television commercial or GOTV effort is going to change that.

Also realize that with Cain’s new status comes MORE DONATIONS, so frankly if you claim to know how much money Cain has, you are full of beans.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

I was listening to Hugh Hewitt yesterday

This was your first mistake and the source of the trouble. :) Hewitt lost all credibility in 2008 with his shameless Romney pimping. He's got some kind of bizarre mancrush.

[AmericanInTokyo]