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Columbus blamed for Little Ice Age
ScienceNews ^ | 10-22-11 | Devin Powell

Posted on 10/13/2011 2:17:57 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Depopulation of Americas may have cooled climate

MINNEAPOLIS — By sailing to the New World, Christopher Columbus and the other explorers who followed may have set off a chain of events that cooled Europe’s climate for centuries.

The European conquest of the Americas decimated the people living there, leaving large areas of cleared land untended. Trees that filled in this territory pulled billions of tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, diminishing the heat-trapping capacity of the atmosphere and cooling climate, says Richard Nevle, a geochemist at Stanford University.

“We have a massive reforestation event that’s sequestering carbon … coincident with the European arrival,” says Nevle, who described the consequences of this change October 11 at the Geological Society of America annual meeting.

Tying together many different lines of evidence, Nevle estimated how much carbon all those new trees would have consumed. He says it was enough to account for most or all of the sudden drop in atmospheric carbon dioxide recorded in Antarctic ice during the 16th and 17th centuries. This depletion of a key greenhouse gas, in turn, may have kicked off Europe’s so-called Little Ice Age, centuries of cooler temperatures that followed the Middle Ages.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: carboncretins; catastrophism; change; climate; climatechange; co2; columbus; cooling; deforestation; energy; forests; globalcooling; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; gorebullwarming; greens; junkscience; littleiceage; psuedoscience; reforestation
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This hypothesis is head-shaking, mind boggling. It's just proof that you cannot "prove" anything with these psuedo scientists in the green movement. Whatever you "prove", they'll come back with another scenario to support whatever supports their favorite hypothesis.
1 posted on 10/13/2011 2:18:05 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SunkenCiv

Although this isn’t news about an archeological exploration, it discusses a startling hypothesis about global warming in the days of Columbus which I’m sure that many members of your ping list would love to discuss.


2 posted on 10/13/2011 2:20:30 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sounds like it should come from “The Onion”.


3 posted on 10/13/2011 2:20:37 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Folks you cannot make this stuff up. These people must stay awake nights figuring new ideas to make up.


4 posted on 10/13/2011 2:21:23 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: afraidfortherepublic

this needs a facepalm


5 posted on 10/13/2011 2:24:01 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So, clear cutting by Indians good. Clear cutting by white man bad.


6 posted on 10/13/2011 2:24:11 PM PDT by albionin
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Reading the excerpt was enough IMO. Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Wondering which chemicals he was overexposed.


7 posted on 10/13/2011 2:24:14 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Whoaaaa!!! Just wait a dog-gone minute! The European settlement of the New World CLEARED LAND! That is historical fact. This is the most ridiculous mumbo-jumbo of all time.

Next I suppose they will finally acknowledge the Medieval Warm Period, but will blame it on the Crusades/Byzantines/Mongols/Viking cow farts.


8 posted on 10/13/2011 2:24:27 PM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Except that the cooling associated with the Little Ice Age started almost 200 years before Columbus Sailed The Ocean Blue.


9 posted on 10/13/2011 2:25:04 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This theory is not new.
Historian Charles Mann discusses it in his books, “1491” and “1493,” covering the Americas before and just after the arrival of Europeans.


10 posted on 10/13/2011 2:25:04 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: blasater1960

Richard Nevle of Stanford University

I wonder if this guy has any relationship to the Richard Nevle who is currently principal of Strake Jesuit College Prep High School in Houston, TX? Mr. Nevle had 4 children, as I remember -- some of them sons. Mr. Nevle was my sons' Sr. Advisor years ago, 1979 and 1982. Very accomplished family. The age would be right.

11 posted on 10/13/2011 2:28:50 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Historian Charles Mann

For the record, Charles C. Mann is not an historian. He's a B.A. who writes stuff, generally at great length. A heavy-breathing, politically correct scribe who takes a lot of liberties with the truth, in my observation.

12 posted on 10/13/2011 2:31:26 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ignores science that shows atmospheric CO2 does not drive temperature change. If RESPONDS to it.


13 posted on 10/13/2011 2:31:45 PM PDT by DManA
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We all know it’s Bush’s fault.


14 posted on 10/13/2011 2:31:49 PM PDT by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Did he explain why the Norse Greenland settlements were dying due to temperature drops 50 to 100 years befor Columbus sailed? Maybe they should blame it on the 35% drop in Europe’s population due to the Black death. With a drop in population less food was needed,less acreage cultivated,reforestation takes place.


15 posted on 10/13/2011 2:31:56 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; DaveLoneRanger

GW PING


16 posted on 10/13/2011 2:32:09 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I get it, trees cause ice ages.


17 posted on 10/13/2011 2:33:18 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (I'll follow an eloquent Allen West out of hell.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Wondering which chemicals he was overexposed.

THC?

18 posted on 10/13/2011 2:33:25 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Let me get this straight, they move from europe and stop cutting trees down to cook dinner and go to America where they forget how to cook.

Right...

Obviously these Scientwists smoke a lot of pot.


19 posted on 10/13/2011 2:39:48 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: blam

ping


20 posted on 10/13/2011 2:42:40 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Mann is not a historian; he writes speculative historical fiction.


21 posted on 10/13/2011 2:44:41 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Tying together many different lines of evidence,

Tying together many different lines of bovine scat,

Fixed it.

22 posted on 10/13/2011 2:45:08 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: markman46
this needs a facepalm

Ask and ye shall receive.


23 posted on 10/13/2011 2:45:26 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: afraidfortherepublic
In fourteen hundred and ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
In the Nina, the Pinta and the SUV.
24 posted on 10/13/2011 2:45:26 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama - Wear The Fail!)
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To: depressed in 06

Oh no! Killer trees!


25 posted on 10/13/2011 2:45:53 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: afraidfortherepublic
This doesn't add up.

The cooling started before the "official" Little Ice Age. Around 1200. Pack ice started to grow in 1250. Around 1300 summers were cooling in Europe. 1315 was a rainy period and the times of great famines. All this stuff happened before Columbus.

Now if Erik the Red caused the diseases to spread all across the native tribes, there might be an argument, but a lot of this happened before Columbus. In fact some of the little ice age effects and politics from it and the famines (especially the religious fights with England) may have been a reason for the Columbus voyages in the first place.

There also was a large number of Mt Pinatubo+ level of major volcanic eruptions during that period. That causes global cooling.

26 posted on 10/13/2011 2:47:44 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Perry and Cain I can support, but no Romney)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
So if I understand this theory correctly and we wipe out say about 35 million people we will end this man-caused-global warming nonsense?

Maybe we can talk the m-c-g-w believers to take one for the team? I'll chip in for the required kool-aid.

27 posted on 10/13/2011 2:49:37 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: rockinqsranch

He was overexposed to cannabis - - - at least.....


28 posted on 10/13/2011 2:51:27 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ah yes, the Jesuits.

The creators of liberation theology .......


29 posted on 10/13/2011 2:52:51 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: blasater1960

Notice how they totally whitewashed the significant role that the Keebler Elves played in Columbus’ evil scheme.


30 posted on 10/13/2011 2:53:44 PM PDT by sklar
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To: bikerman

old joke.

too old.


31 posted on 10/13/2011 2:53:44 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Gosh. I thought the Little Ice Age had something to do with the Maunder Minimum and the disappearing sunspots. Silly me.


32 posted on 10/13/2011 2:54:48 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Columbus - The First Environmentalist.


33 posted on 10/13/2011 2:56:49 PM PDT by Argus
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This is all it takes to get on a straight site called “Science News”?

Really?

If I submit that Japanese Beetle caused World War II, would they publish it?


34 posted on 10/13/2011 2:59:26 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This isn’t even pseudo-science; it’s delusional.


35 posted on 10/13/2011 3:00:19 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

BUGS: What's the matter, Chris?
COLUMBUS: The ice-ah age, she-ah no-ah mah fault!

36 posted on 10/13/2011 3:01:27 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: achilles2000

I stand corrected.

His bibliographies are quite impressive. I would call him a reporter covering science, history and archeology.


37 posted on 10/13/2011 3:02:42 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Did someone mention ice?


38 posted on 10/13/2011 3:05:35 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: afraidfortherepublic
ScienceNews

What kind of rag would publish this
delusional Marxist propaganda ?

39 posted on 10/13/2011 3:06:54 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This clearly shows that tenure is an environmental hazard.

Whenever a person becomes tenured, he/she is free to make irresponsible statements that are given too much weight, affect policy, and lead to ill-thought-out, destabilizing environmental decisions.

Abolish tenure...for the environment.


40 posted on 10/13/2011 3:08:37 PM PDT by Tax Government (Democrat: "I'm driving to Socialism at 95 mph." Republican: "Observe the speed limit.")
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To: markman46
this needs a facepalm


42 posted on 10/13/2011 3:09:04 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: markman46

NO, a facepalm won’t do. This requires beat head on desk or large tree.

Incredible.

And I thought that settlement would cause MORE land to be cleared.

Silly me. I should know better than to think about such loft things that are out of the reach of understanding of a mere mortal engineer.

Clearly, the author has prowess and a degree in SCIENCE!


43 posted on 10/13/2011 3:10:28 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

44 posted on 10/13/2011 3:14:11 PM PDT by DemforBush (Serpentine, Shel! Serpentine!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... Good grief... Please tell me this is satire!
45 posted on 10/13/2011 3:17:20 PM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s those pesky white people again.

This is just another angle La Raza and Indians will clamp onto to further their own racism and also their own claims we have no legal right to be here, blah blah blah.

As if those people didn’t fight us or each other before we colonized here. Or when some tribe took over an area of another tribe. Gimme a break. They’re fortunate to have survived, many cultures - including theirs - killed off ALL the losers of battles. They were genocidal because they weren’t going to have any descendants coming back for possible retribution.


46 posted on 10/13/2011 3:22:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; SunkenCiv

Comes out the day after (Real) Columbus Day: coincidence? I think not!

Now they don’t want to just blame him for the “destruction” of the New World, but also blame him for freezing Europe to death as well.

They really hate that dead white guy.

(In before Sunkenciv pings me to it!)


47 posted on 10/13/2011 3:25:27 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I would call him a postmodernist trying to manipulate people through creating a new “narrative”. In other words, he is a lying sack of fertilizer.


48 posted on 10/13/2011 3:26:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So, in order to stop global warming we have to kill Indians?


49 posted on 10/13/2011 3:28:27 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So the Indians in North America had cleared the continent of trees? So they could run their vast farming system? And they caused global warming at the time? (BAD Indians!!) Then the Euros came over and let the trees grow back after they killed off the Indians? And the Euros didn’t need all that cleared land because they didn’t grow food?

I see.


50 posted on 10/13/2011 3:37:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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