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KC bishop charged for not bringing porn to police
AP ^ | 10/14/2011 | By BILL DRAPER

Posted on 10/14/2011 7:01:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Kansas City's Catholic bishop has become the highest-ranking U.S. Catholic official indicted on a charge of failing to protect children after he and his diocese waited five months to tell police about hundreds of images of child pornography discovered on a priest's computer, officials said Friday.

Bishop Robert Finn, the first U.S. bishop criminally charged with sheltering an abusive clergyman, and the Kansas City-St. Joseph Catholic Diocese have pleaded not guilty on one count each of failing to report suspected child abuse.

Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker said Finn and the diocese were required under state law to report the discovery to police because the images gave them reason to believe a child had been abused.

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KEYWORDS: bishop; catholic; catholicschool; childabuse; finn; homosexualpriests; kiddyporn; pedophilia; priest; robertfinn
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I think we can all agree that child porn is heinous.

My issue is, since when did it become a crime not to report a crime?

What has our country become?

1 posted on 10/14/2011 7:01:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

Would a school principal or teacher or teacher’s aide be held to the same standard?


2 posted on 10/14/2011 7:02:47 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yes. It is the law.


3 posted on 10/14/2011 7:03:57 PM PDT by Palladin (Fast and Furious = Obama's Waterloo.)
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To: Lazamataz

A doctor or psychiatrist must tell the police if a crime is being committed. I don’t know when that started. I would imagine the better part of 100 years.


4 posted on 10/14/2011 7:05:02 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Lazamataz

Is it just this sect of Christianity or have others like Methodist, Evangelicals etc... been caught doing or watching or possessing this disgusting sin ? The Catholic Church (not the people) have always worried me. The power they held throughout history and whats left of it today, I believe, is corrupting.


5 posted on 10/14/2011 7:07:11 PM PDT by TheRevolution1776 (Time to abolish and start over. Draw the line.)
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To: Lazamataz

The bishop was trying to protect an evil man:

Ratigan was charged in May with three state child pornography counts, and in June with 13 federal counts of producing, possessing and attempting to produce child porn. He has pleaded not guilty and remains jailed.

After receiving the principal’s concerns in 2010, Monsignor Robert Murphy, the diocese’s vicar general, spoke with Ratigan about setting boundaries with children. He then gave Finn a verbal summary of the concerns and his meeting with the priest.

Last December, a computer technician found on Ratigan’s laptop hundreds of what he called “disturbing” images of children, most of them fully clothed with the focus on their crotch areas, and a series of pictures of a 2- to 3-year-old girl with her genitals exposed.

Diocese officials reported the photos to Murphy, who did not report them to authorities and instead called a police captain who is a member of the diocese’s independent review board and described a single photo of a nude child that was not sexual in nature.

Without viewing the photo, the captain said he was advised that although such a picture might meet the definition of child pornography, it probably wouldn’t be investigated or prosecuted. It was not until this May that Murphy told police Ratigan’s laptop had contained hundreds of photos.

David Clohessy, national director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, on suggested Friday that other individuals should be charged along with Finn.


6 posted on 10/14/2011 7:09:43 PM PDT by Palladin (Fast and Furious = Obama's Waterloo.)
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To: Lazamataz

It’s the Missouri child abuse statute. Guy has a statutory duty to report child abuse he becomes aware of.


7 posted on 10/14/2011 7:11:49 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Lazamataz
[gulp] I've never brought porn to the police either.

Am I in trouble now?

8 posted on 10/14/2011 7:13:45 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: TheRevolution1776
Is it just this sect of Christianity or have others like Methodist, Evangelicals etc... been caught doing or watching or possessing this disgusting sin ?

Back in the late 80s, it was primarily the Baptists who were on the receiving end of the witch hunt. In the end there were a few prosecutions but most charges were the result of overzealous prosecutors.

Fact is that you're going to have a tiny fraction of a percentage of virtually any group engaged in something they shouldn't be.
9 posted on 10/14/2011 7:14:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just don’t forget to share your weed with them.


10 posted on 10/14/2011 7:15:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: Lazamataz

When you are in a position of authority; secular, religious or political- shielding a subordinate is a moral and oft legal offense.

This is not exclusive to the Catholic sect, but too often the network excused, covered and reassigned priests to obscure remote assignments rather than expose the sin.

Our country would be better if persons in authority did not cover ( and thereby excuse) felonies committed by their peers and subordinates.

IMHO.


11 posted on 10/14/2011 7:15:13 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Palladin

I must have forgotten all the cases of child molestation in public schools which been identified, prosecuted, and in which someone was held accountable (this doesn’t include the mockery made in the media about women teachers “raping” 14 year old boys) and which resulting in deci-million dollar judgments, bankrupting entire school districts.


12 posted on 10/14/2011 7:15:21 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: yldstrk
I get where they are coming from. This is a law born of good intentions.

Same thing the road to hell is paved with.

13 posted on 10/14/2011 7:15:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("If Herman Cain does become President, his Vice President will be known as Co-Cain." -- Laz, 2011)
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To: One Name
When you are in a position of authority; secular, religious or political- shielding a subordinate is a moral and oft legal offense.

Impartially and blindly applied, of course. /s

14 posted on 10/14/2011 7:16:35 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Bingo! That is exactly what I was thinking when I heard about this. You can’t tell me that a school principal or faculty in any given district hasn’t turned their backs to inappropriate goings on. They are held to a different standard plain and simple.


15 posted on 10/14/2011 7:17:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: yldstrk

I guess I’m here with this: The church brought the issue to police attention, and probably would have without the law. There’s a moral imperative. However, now this good man, the Bishop, is being charged because he didn’t do it on THEIR timetable. I think I have a problem with that segment of this. Just seems wrong somehow.... I dunno.... maybe I could be convinced I’m in error....


16 posted on 10/14/2011 7:17:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("If Herman Cain does become President, his Vice President will be known as Co-Cain." -- Laz, 2011)
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To: Lazamataz

You being nice?


17 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:41 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh okay. I didn’t know. I was trying to research that but didn’t know which way to phrase and look. However, I don’t understand why their superiors just stand around and cover for some of these...but the same can be said for lots of folks who have higher ups cover their rears in times of light casting. Fast and Furious I think is one of those situations.


18 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:58 PM PDT by TheRevolution1776 (Time to abolish and start over. Draw the line.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah I am sure part of it is political on Jean Peter’s part....prosecutor is springboard to bigger and better political troughs to feed from.


19 posted on 10/14/2011 7:20:55 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
You being nice?

It's getting close to halloween. Weird stuff is bound to happen.

:)

20 posted on 10/14/2011 7:21:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("If Herman Cain does become President, his Vice President will be known as Co-Cain." -- Laz, 2011)
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To: TheRevolution1776

With Protestants, there’s no firm hierarchy so things really can’t play out the same way.


21 posted on 10/14/2011 7:23:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You must have been the kind of kid who, when caught with your hand in the cookie jar, pointed to your friend and said,”But...but...Mary Jane is doing it, too.”


22 posted on 10/14/2011 7:23:28 PM PDT by Palladin (Fast and Furious = Obama's Waterloo.)
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To: One Name

Catholics refer to Protestant ecclesial bodies as “churches.” Couldn’t you extend the same courtesy to the Catholic sect?


23 posted on 10/14/2011 7:26:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: One Name

Catholics refer to Protestant ecclesial bodies as “churches.” Couldn’t you extend the same courtesy to the Catholic sect?


24 posted on 10/14/2011 7:26:20 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: cripplecreek; ClearCase_guy

You guys know what this is really about, I’m sure.

The Catholic sect as a worldwide institution has sheltered child abusers almost systematically- not by edict but in practice. One would have thought the demons were all smoked out but we see it is still going on.

Must you snitch on child abusers? Must you snitch on possessors of child porn (against the law) who my not have actually abused children?

Make your own choice...

God’s punishment for abusing the little, innocent ones will be much worse than anything an earthly court can hand out.

But, you know that.


25 posted on 10/14/2011 7:27:07 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Palladin

I could break either way on this particular case, but hear me out here...... I just feel somewhat uncomfortable with the compulsion-to-report concept. If this was to be broadened to all crimes, you could conceivably see passengers in cars being hit with stiff fines for not reporting to cops, via cell phone, of every traffic violation the driver engaged in. See what craziness could ensue? Every absurd law-set always begins with something somewhat defensible, such as this and the compulsion-to-report child porn. Always starts reasonable, but ends up as a revenue generator as every passenger is cited and fined for a failure to report a speeding violation.


26 posted on 10/14/2011 7:28:40 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("If Herman Cain does become President, his Vice President will be known as Co-Cain." -- Laz, 2011)
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To: Lazamataz; muawiyah
Maybe the government authorities were sad they were deprived of sufficient time to *inspect* the evidence themselves.

Much like contraband substances used to be *impounded* and ~ oops! ~ just disappeared after that.

27 posted on 10/14/2011 7:30:22 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: TheRevolution1776
"The Catholic Church (not the people) have always worried me. The power they held throughout history and whats left of it today, I believe, is corrupting."

Without knowing anymore about this story, I'll bet my last dollar that this involves the Jesuit Order of Priests, the most common order in America. It is fairly well known that a young man can not survive seminary school unless he is a homosexual. This is the American (Kennedy/Pelosi) Catholic Church and it can go straight to. . . well you know! Before you break out the flame-throwers know that I'm a Catholic; one hell of a disenchanted Catholic.

28 posted on 10/14/2011 7:32:56 PM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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To: Lazamataz
My issue is, since when did it become a crime not to report a crime?

We are all criminals now. It is only a matter of the degree of the perceived heinousness of the thought crime that matters.

29 posted on 10/14/2011 7:33:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Arthur McGowan

There is only one Church.

There are many churches, sects, denominations, bodies, prayer groups ,etc.

What do you belong to?

Sorry to offend.


30 posted on 10/14/2011 7:33:25 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Lazamataz

Stoking much of the anger is the fact that only three years ago, Bishop Finn settled lawsuits with 47 plaintiffs in sexual abuse cases for $10 million and agreed to a long list of preventive measures, among them to report anyone suspected of being a pedophile immediately to law enforcement authorities.

It seems that this was part of a previous court order.


31 posted on 10/14/2011 7:36:53 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: the invisib1e hand

So, what do you think about Rahab shielding the spies?

Always made me wonder...


32 posted on 10/14/2011 7:37:02 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name
There is only one Church.

What?

I am a proud member of the Church of the Painful Truth.

Is that the church you are talking about?

33 posted on 10/14/2011 7:39:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Because the media backs government schooling. They’re all part of the indoctrination system. Bad things only happen when you introduce religion into the education system.


34 posted on 10/14/2011 7:39:23 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Lord have mercy. In second grade, we had a substitute teacher named Daddy Rook. Yes, really. He would rub the backs and sometimes fronts of us little white girls. None of us was developed and were uncomfortable but didn’t know it was criminal until the principal called us together and FREAKED. OUT. after she questioned us.

Of course this happened after being bussed to the poorest section of town for first grade where we were subject to other stuff.

Wonder what the statute of limitations is.


35 posted on 10/14/2011 7:42:06 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: ArchAngel1983

I don’t blame the followers my concern is those in charge. Granted there is something rotten in all different baskets but the one holding the basket should be taking notice and removing said apples from the bunch.


36 posted on 10/14/2011 7:42:35 PM PDT by TheRevolution1776 (Time to abolish and start over. Draw the line.)
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To: Cardhu

Great point- not like this is a new issue for the Cardinals and the Diocese’s ( whatever plural of that is).


37 posted on 10/14/2011 7:45:47 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Lazamataz

Actually, it is a crime. And a teacher or principle or therapist would be held to the same standard, pretty much anyone but a confessor or a lawyer. I’m a Catholic and live in KC but I think I would have voted to indict. It’s not heinous but did show poor judgment.


38 posted on 10/14/2011 7:48:45 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: elkfersupper

The Church is the Body of Christ.

Any other defintition mocks God.

When you choose to use a term that belongs to God, as opposed to say, “The Religious Order of Elk Devourers”, you intentionally mock Jesus Christ.

I won’t wig out about it, but I am not the One you will face someday.

Peace!


39 posted on 10/14/2011 7:51:40 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Lazamataz
My issue is, since when did it become a crime not to report a crime?

It is also a crime to think about a crime and a crime to think about thinking about a crime.

40 posted on 10/14/2011 7:52:39 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: One Name
The Church is the Body of Christ.

Nice to know that you accept the Church of the Painful Truth as Gospel.

Thank you for that.

Go forth and spread the message, brother or sister.

Peace.

41 posted on 10/14/2011 7:57:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
busing. remember it well.

the left treats everyone else like they're lab rats.

If you think about it, its Mengele lite.

Fight we much.

42 posted on 10/14/2011 7:57:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: One Name
So, what do you think about Rahab shielding the spies? Always made me wonder...

Don't remember exactly, but I do know that the Almighty seems to enjoy wigging out fundamentalists.

43 posted on 10/14/2011 7:59:23 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Palladin
You must have been the kind of kid who, when caught with your hand in the cookie jar, pointed to your friend and said,”But...but...Mary Jane is doing it, too.”

Nah. Mary Jane made me do it.

Cause I probably smoked a joint and then got the munchies.

44 posted on 10/14/2011 8:00:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Lazamataz

He knew for 5 months? He knew about the porn, how? Did he view it? Was he viewing it for those 5 months? Then he is indeed guilty of a crime.


45 posted on 10/14/2011 8:01:36 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Lazamataz

Sort of like harboring a wanted criminal?


46 posted on 10/14/2011 8:02:52 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Have it on very good information that the number of child abuse incidents in the NYC public school system in one recent year exceeded the number of priest-abuse cases over the entire known life of the scandal.


47 posted on 10/14/2011 8:03:29 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: elkfersupper

Not being familiar with your doctrine, I can’t stipulate to your statement. Your gratitude is premature.

I’ll go forth as directed by God, but not by you, FRiend.


48 posted on 10/14/2011 8:03:33 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name; Lazamataz

Of course this will not help either:

KANSAS CITY (MO)Courthouse News Service

By JOE HARRIS October 14th 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (CN) - The Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph and its Bishop Robert Finn violate U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops policies on the handling of priest sex abuse victims, a former grant writer claims. She says she was harassed and fired when the diocese learned she had been an advocate for victims of sexual abuse.

“The environment inside the Chancery office is such that recrimination, retaliation and intimidation prevents those who believe in the precepts found in the ‘Protecting God’s Children’ initiative, the USCCB policies and those promulgated by the diocese from acting in accordance to them,” according to the complaint in Jackson County Court.

Margaret Mata worked as a grant writer for the diocese. In July this year, she says, several diocese employees were pushing to make her a full-time diocese employee instead of an independent contractor.


49 posted on 10/14/2011 8:04:15 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Lazamataz

I would like to point out that there is something very wrong with a Diocese (or area of Church influence) that can allow Kathleen Sebelius to pretend she is a Catholic, and in which Planned Parenthood flourishes.


50 posted on 10/14/2011 8:05:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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