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VANITY- Why does GOP "Elite" hate Cain?
scrippsnews ^ | 10/14/2011 | cookies4ever

Posted on 10/14/2011 8:39:08 PM PDT by Cookies4ever

This is my very first post after a decade+ of reading FR online so if I've made a formatting error, please forgive me. What is the GOP "elite" problem with Herman Cain? He's a legitimate candidate with great conservative plans. He's had no political experience, but why is that a bad thing? What career politician has accomplished what Mr. Cain has? Why do O'Reilley, Hannity, Rove, etc. hold Mr.Cain with such contempt? What do they fear...or...do they just swallow the left's pablum that Romney is the only viable candidate--and the only GOP candidate that Obama "fears" which is total BS!!!


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1 posted on 10/14/2011 8:39:13 PM PDT by Cookies4ever
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To: Cookies4ever

Simple....He is a conservative


2 posted on 10/14/2011 8:40:22 PM PDT by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: Cookies4ever

He doesn’t play by their rules, doesn’t kiss their back sides, and refuses to be controlled.


3 posted on 10/14/2011 8:41:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Breto
Simple....He is a conservative

close the thread and give this man a prize.

4 posted on 10/14/2011 8:41:39 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Cookies4ever

Because they can’t control him.


5 posted on 10/14/2011 8:41:45 PM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: Cookies4ever

A faction of FR hates Cain. It’s just the way it is.


6 posted on 10/14/2011 8:42:11 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Breto

Exactly!
He is the real McCoy...a real conservative...and they fear that.


7 posted on 10/14/2011 8:42:30 PM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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To: Cookies4ever

Hey, a lot of people like him, even a lot of GOP “elites”. I think you may have this one wrong: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793020/posts


8 posted on 10/14/2011 8:43:34 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Cookies4ever

It’s really not complicated.

He’s not a liberal Republican (they also detested Reagan)
He’s not one of them (the elite)


9 posted on 10/14/2011 8:44:03 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Cookies4ever

Same reason they hated Reagan (when he was a candidate).

Same reason they hate Palin.


10 posted on 10/14/2011 8:44:54 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Cookies4ever

Simple - his empowerment (entitlement) zones in his 999 plan are not conservative values.


11 posted on 10/14/2011 8:45:23 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: Cookies4ever

The establishment also has a problem with TEA, Palin, and Perry.

The best way to expunge the grunge is to work and win at the grassroots level.

Cain is wonderful, btw. Not sure about 9-9-9 however.

Welcome to FR.


12 posted on 10/14/2011 8:46:46 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Cookies4ever

I would not include Hannity in that list.


13 posted on 10/14/2011 8:47:16 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Cookies4ever

I believe that it’s because career politicians ee it as just that... a career. They’re jockeying for promotions.

When an upstart comes in who hasn’t made his way up the ranks in the ‘proper’ way (IE; a real citizen trying to make a positive difference) they’re resented. The career politicians look at it like the upstart hasn’t paid their ‘dues’.

Politics is all about making deals - horsetrading behind the scenes. Someone who doesn’t play ball doesn’t ‘get it’ and they come together to stomp them out.

Establishment politicians have forgotten that our founders saw our representatives as US. They were supposed to take time away from their farms or their businesses, do some good for their country, then go home and live with the laws they created.

Now, it’s just another profession.

I believe that this is why Washington corrupts. It’s all a damn game to them. Most of them forget their true purpose.


14 posted on 10/14/2011 8:48:39 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: SandRat

“He doesn’t play by their rules, doesn’t kiss their back sides, and refuses to be controlled.”

A president gets to fill at least 1000 jobs. The ESTABLISHMENT knows that they will get very few jobs, under President Cain (unlike what would happen under Romney or Perry).


15 posted on 10/14/2011 8:49:35 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: Cookies4ever
The elitist GOP hates conservatives who love small government which is anathema to the power-monger people hating wine drinking cigar smoking back room dealing GOP elitist fool rinos.
16 posted on 10/14/2011 8:50:14 PM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservatism is on the rise, God bless the conservative tea party.)
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To: Cookies4ever
Our elites know best. Now shutup and vote for Romney.
17 posted on 10/14/2011 8:53:33 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Cookies4ever

the republicans have been since the beginning just prior to the civil war,

for big government and big spending. in the 1890s they spent money like water.

in the early 20th c they developed, as did the democrats, an admiration for totalitarianism—lenin, hitler and mussolini.

they never have been “conservatives”.

conservatism began with william buckley, barry goldwater, ronald reagan, milton friedman, fa hayek, von mises, and some of ayn rand.


18 posted on 10/14/2011 8:53:38 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Cookies4ever

Republican elite are just closet demorats and they prove it by wearing out their arms reaching across the isle non stop.Cain scares the sh!t out of ‘em.


19 posted on 10/14/2011 8:55:39 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Cookies4ever
They live on Business as Usual in politics. Their whole power base rests on handing the baton of political power back and forth between them and the Democrat Elite.

Cain challenges everything they base their world view on. If can can win, most of what they base their political power on is threatened. The tax code, the need for million $ high power political consultants etc etc etc

20 posted on 10/14/2011 8:56:05 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cookies4ever
I do not believe that to be the case...neither does Sean Hannity. I do not the “GOP Elite” even exists. If so, name names.

It is a convenient bogeyman to blame when some one’s candidate, like Bachmann, self destructs.

21 posted on 10/14/2011 8:56:22 PM PDT by Perdogg (I will support any Republican candidate against 0bama in 2012)
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To: Cookies4ever
"Why do O'Reilley, Hannity, Rove, etc. hold Mr.Cain with such contempt"



Are you really surprised with the Fox News talking faces? Are you really surprised with Rove?

22 posted on 10/14/2011 8:56:29 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: stilloftyhenight

In case you are wondering, that was extreme sarcasm.


23 posted on 10/14/2011 8:56:29 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Cookies4ever

All of the above answers are great.

Bottom line is the republican party as a whole has been taken over by the liberals. The country club types if you will. Living in their ivory towers and sending down their commands to the conservative base to do what they say.

Anything (tea party) or anybody (Cain or Palin) is seen as a threat to their power structure and firm grasp on the party.

These people are no better then liberal democrats and many of them enjoy each others company and are frequently seen with each other at affairs and such.

This establishment is dragging the country down nearly as quickly as the democrats are...Perhaps some are a bit more fiscally conservative then your typical liberal democrat but make no mistake about it, if they had free reign it would spell the end of the republic in the blink of an eye.


24 posted on 10/14/2011 8:56:56 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: Cookies4ever

In any place not on the up and up you have to ‘make your bones’ so as to be as culpable as the rest. That way you can’t afford to step out of line.


25 posted on 10/14/2011 8:59:56 PM PDT by decimon
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To: lahargis
I like Cain...I don't like the idea of favoring ANY one "zone" over another. (What caused these "mostly economically depressed areas" to begin with? Liberal policies!!)

How about the entire country is considered an "empowerment" zone? With equal incentives across the board and across the country?

If you attract them (investors) equally, they will come.

26 posted on 10/14/2011 9:00:18 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ken21

Just before we get too far with the true conservatives on parade, just remember before he passed away, Buckley supported McCain in the 2008 primaries.


27 posted on 10/14/2011 9:00:54 PM PDT by Perdogg (I will support any Republican candidate against 0bama in 2012)
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To: Cookies4ever

I think powerful Republican “elites” look at all things through the lens of electability ....if they appear to “hate” Caine it is really that they think he is un electable ....this explains why they love someone like “Romney” .....

If anyone is controversial they think they are un electable


28 posted on 10/14/2011 9:01:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Cookies4ever

Hannity??? I call B.S.


29 posted on 10/14/2011 9:02:40 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Cookies4ever

Because he has not paid his dues. What did he do in 2008 or 2010??

They know he doesn’t have a freckin chance of beating Obama.

The man knows one thing: 9-9-9 and its being reported he stole that from a video game. Of course that is not true.

The republican voters better get their act together. First it was Bachmann, than Perry, and now Cain.

Cain knows nothing about foreign policy. I saw him do an interview the other night with Greta and she asked him about the Iran terror plot and the man was clueless. He had not study his talking points or oneliners for that issue yet.

The man is a talking and a con-artist just like Obama. The only difference is that Cain is bullshztting the republican party.

Our country is sinking and people are pushing a radio host for POTUS and one that was not even as popular as a Rush, Hannity, or Levin??

Give me a freckin break!!!!!!!!!!!!!


30 posted on 10/14/2011 9:02:40 PM PDT by Truth101A
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The fix is in. Bumping up the primaries was a dead giveaway.

I’d heard that one of Rubio’s top aids lobbied for the FL primary bump up.

Just watch as the machine gears up into full combat mode.

We either all hang together or we all hang seperately.


31 posted on 10/14/2011 9:03:31 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Lazlo in PA
A faction of FR hates Cain. It’s just the way it is.

That might be a bit of a misrepresentation. I can only speak for myself that I've posted some very critical messages of him, but I actually find him quite likeable on a personal basis. I probably only read 1% of the anti-Cain messages from others, but the ones I read criticized his policy ideas and experience, not him.

32 posted on 10/14/2011 9:03:31 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: lahargis
Simple - his empowerment (entitlement) zones in his 999 plan are not conservative values.

Hmm guess you did not know Reagan used the same concept. So now you are saying Reagan wasn't Conservative. Maybe the actual problem is you are mindlessly devoted to Perry and cannot be bother to rationally think about any other candidate.

In the United States, the zone concept gained its first supporters among leaders of the Republican Party, which advocated an overall reduction of government influence. In the early 1980s, Ronald Reagan included enterprise zones in the urban policy platform for his presidential campaign, and Senator Jack Kemp introduced the first bill featuring enterprise zones in Congress. The idea gradually expanded its base of supporters to include more liberal members of Congress, such as Democrats Robert Garcia and Charles Rangel of New York, as well as the leaders of prominent minority organizations, such as the National Urban League and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).

33 posted on 10/14/2011 9:04:16 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cookies4ever

Congratulations on your first post!

I don’t think the GOP elites hate Cain at all. They just don’t think he can win. And if he wins, they know they won’t have the influence with him that they might with some other candidate.

Nothing really complicated or sinister, IMHO.


34 posted on 10/14/2011 9:05:23 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Herman Cain actually IS a rocket scientist.)
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To: Gene Eric
Actually the GOP Establishment has no such problem with Perry

Bill Kristol to a NY Time Reporter telling him how the GOP Establishment plans to deal with “the Tea party mutiny”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2792217/posts?page=3

Kristol told me just after Perry entered the race, a development that essentially ended [the more radical Michele] Bachmann’s brief ascent. Establishment Republicans may prefer Romney to Perry, but their assumption is that either man can be counted on to steer the party back toward the broad center next fall, effectively disarming the Tea Party mutiny.

35 posted on 10/14/2011 9:06:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ElectronVolt

There is a dedicated Perry following that post thread after thread how Cain is no better than Obummer. That is just the way things go here. Palin fans, Perry fans, Bachmann fans and yes, Cain fans. It is a Primary after all. Vetting needs to be done.


36 posted on 10/14/2011 9:06:47 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Cookies4ever; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; ..
RE :”What career politician has accomplished what Mr. Cain has? Why do O’Reilley, Hannity, Rove, etc. hold Mr.Cain with such contempt?

Cavuto likes Cain. Cain was introduced by Cavuto as a regular guest on Your World years ago. With Beck gone from FNC, Cavuto is the only political opinion show host I can stand over there. (Baur and Kelly are very good but they play more the reporter role not opinionist.)

Hannity I gave up years ago, he pushed Steele on RNC

O Reilly GAG, he is only a Republican because he doesnt want his taxes to go up

Rove (doesnt have a show) thinks RINOs are most electable, as he is one.

They also consider it critical that he previously held higher office before prime time. I doubt they hate him. Lets not start sounding like those Palinistas.

I think Cain is the best of the lot. The others are duds.

37 posted on 10/14/2011 9:06:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Breto
Simple. He is a conservative.

And they are not.

38 posted on 10/14/2011 9:09:04 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Perdogg

Bill Kristol, Karl Rove, Chales Kraulhammer, Daid Brooks, George Wills, the Bush’s, the Doles, The Romneys, etc etc etc

Denying their existence doesn’t change the facts. Try reading about them

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2792635/posts


39 posted on 10/14/2011 9:09:28 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Jane Long
So now Reagan isn't a Conservative?

In the United States, the zone concept gained its first supporters among leaders of the Republican Party, which advocated an overall reduction of government influence. In the early 1980s, Ronald Reagan included enterprise zones in the urban policy platform for his presidential campaign, and Senator Jack Kemp introduced the first bill featuring enterprise zones in Congress.

40 posted on 10/14/2011 9:10:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Perdogg

senility?

remember goldwater married liberal woman and went wobbly too.


41 posted on 10/14/2011 9:10:48 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Cookies4ever
He's had no political experience, but why is that a bad thing?

Look at the flip side: Why is it a bad thing to be elevated to CEO if you've never worked in a business? Politics is an extremely tricky business, and a person without experience in it will quickly have his head handed to him. Even Reagan made some blunders, especially TEFRA.

Some people learn fast. Sarah Palin made a couple inexperienced blunders running for VP, but now I'd say she's a political master. To his credit, Cain is doing pretty well in his campaign, but he isn't in the lion's den of the presidency. Maybe he can handle it, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable if he'd been a governor for a few years.

42 posted on 10/14/2011 9:12:57 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: Truth101A
Tell you what.

YOU stop with the stupid smear attacks against Cain and we will give you a break.

Instead of lying about Cain, try telling us why we should support your candidate?

Ah but you cannot can you? That is the problem with you American idol, Perry worshiping Cult of Personality posters, you cannot actually make any rational case FOR your guy, you can only slander the other candidates.

43 posted on 10/14/2011 9:13:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ElectronVolt
but the ones I read criticized his policy ideas and experience, not him.

Then you are the only one cause the ONLY thing being posted about Cain are hysteric emotion based smear attacks. Have yet to read one rational, fact base critic of Cain on here.

44 posted on 10/14/2011 9:14:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: stilloftyhenight

That’s exactly what I’m hearing...”shut up and suppport5 RomneY” It’s fishy...and I don’t like the pateranlistic tone! STFU...I can form my own opinion thank you very much


45 posted on 10/14/2011 9:15:05 PM PDT by Cookies4ever
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To: stilloftyhenight

That’s exactly what I’m hearing...”shut up and suppport5 RomneY” It’s fishy...and I don’t like the pateranlistic tone! STFU...I can form my own opinion thank you very much


46 posted on 10/14/2011 9:15:24 PM PDT by Cookies4ever
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To: Truth101A

If not Cain, who?

Yesterday, I read about that wind farm project in Oregon that Rush talked about on his show. The article is on National Review.

Anyway this wind farm project is another huge money laundering scheme for the Obama administration and GE is the owner of the project, but we, the tax payers are paying for it. $16.3 million per job. It only created 35 jobs. This is typical of wind projects, but this is a very large one.

Now, I’ve been thinking that these wind farms are not being built in a vacuum. Republicans in DC know about these project and the subsidies that go with them. Why are we just hearing about it now??? Even Joe Biden and Carol Browner were opposed to the subsidies.

This is what we are up against, both parties are complicit.


47 posted on 10/14/2011 9:18:24 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Truth101A
"Because he has not paid his dues. What did he do in 2008 or 2010??"

Actually, this is a question for Romney? Cain was out at Tea Party events fighting porkulus and fighting ObamaCare. Where was Romney?

Romney has had one cause. And that cause is Romney.

It's Romney, who has a chance to lose the election, he's the love child of McCain and Kerry the Flip-Flopper.

48 posted on 10/14/2011 9:18:49 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: MNJohnnie
Hey, I like Cain!

How did the "enterprise zones" work out for Reagan and Kemp? I'm honestly curious.

We've thrown money/incentives at groups/zones/segments for a long time and I just don't see how it has paid off.

49 posted on 10/14/2011 9:20:28 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Cookies4ever; Lazlo in PA

I haven’t heard any “hatred” of Cain, either from the media and Pubbies, or much if any here on FR. I’ve heard a lot of doubt that he can win without money or organization from the former, plus a lot of specific criticism on FR of specifics, like his horrible (IMHO) 999 plan. For hatred on FR just go to a Perry thread.


50 posted on 10/14/2011 9:24:24 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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