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Study finds Rick Perry target for criticism: So much for civility
Politico ^ | oct 14, 2011 | Maggie Haberman

Posted on 10/14/2011 9:36:16 PM PDT by Clairity

From the study:

Perry has been singled out for criticism 39 times - about twice the combined total of Herman Cain (9), Jon Huntsman (5), Ron Paul (4), Rick Santorum (1), Michele Bachmann (1), and Newt Gingrich (0) and 10 more than Mitt Romney (29).

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adiosricardo; bachmann4romney; cain; cain4romney; heartless; larazarick; palindronesattack; perry; rinoromney; romney; santorum4romney
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1 posted on 10/14/2011 9:36:26 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: shield

Perry ping


2 posted on 10/14/2011 9:36:53 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

It’s called Kharma.


3 posted on 10/14/2011 9:38:08 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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To: Clairity; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; Sea Parrot; ...

La Raza Rick is a pro-ILLEGAL alien candidate who called conservatives ‘heartless’ for not agreeing with his pro-ILLEGAL alien positions. That will bring a lot of criticism, all due, and all all of his own doing.


4 posted on 10/14/2011 9:42:21 PM PDT by South40 (Reject the pro-ILLEGAL Alien candidate. Vote conservative -- vote for Herman Cain!)
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To: Clairity

Uh, what does calling someone out at a debate have to do with civility? That’s part of what debates are for, to draw contrasts. And Perry was an easy target for everyone, since it’s basically impossible to miss.


5 posted on 10/14/2011 9:44:22 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: PAConservative1

The point is that Perry was attacked constantly and never given a chance to outline any of his positive record and agenda.

How would you do in a debate, if the only question you get asked “when did you stop beating your wife”, then a follow up “you still didn’t answer, how much did you beat your wife and when did you stop” and so on? How are you going to find out anything about someone this way?


6 posted on 10/14/2011 9:46:49 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: PAConservative1

So, are you from Pennsylvania?


7 posted on 10/14/2011 9:48:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing (DEFEND OUR MARINES - http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Clairity

By all means, let us play by the Queens rules. Manners people, manners. LOL It isn’t polite to point out the elephant in the room.


8 posted on 10/14/2011 9:48:26 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Clairity

This is my humble opinion.

Perry shot out in front when he announced. The media and other contenders came down on him like a ton of lead bricks.

Not being used to the national stage..he is frozen. I have heard him speak..he is not the idiot he appears to be. He is a good man.

That being said..I am backing Newt...today. It could change.


9 posted on 10/14/2011 9:49:12 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Clairity
That is because, we think he deserves to stay where people love him. No one has any problem with the little old cat whipped boy staying in texas.
10 posted on 10/14/2011 9:49:27 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Clairity

Perry will crush Obama if gets the nom.


11 posted on 10/14/2011 9:50:46 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: Clairity

Nobody asked Perry a vile, untrue question like that. (The only really assholish comment is from Huntsman last debate). They asked him about supporting in-state tuition for illegals (which he does) and then he called conservatives heartless. I mean come on, this was his “attack” on Romney, who is perhaps the most transparently phony conservative ever.

RICK PERRY: I think Americans just don’t know sometimes which Mitt Romney they’re dealing with. Is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment? Was it — was before he was before the social programs, from the standpoint of he was for standing up for Roe v. Wade before he was against Roe v. Wade? He was for Race to the Top, he’s for Obamacare, and now he’s against it. I mean, we’ll wait until tomorrow and — and — and see which Mitt Romney we’re really talking to tonight.


12 posted on 10/14/2011 9:50:48 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: smoothsailing

Yes.


13 posted on 10/14/2011 9:51:06 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: Clairity
The point is that Perry was attacked constantly and never given a chance to outline any of his positive record and agenda.

Do you think for one moment that the general is going to be easier?

Who ever wins the nomination will be palinized to the point of no more meat, just the exposed bones. He better get the "experience" in while the gettin is good.

These debates are merely a warm up circle for the main event.

14 posted on 10/14/2011 9:51:30 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Clairity

He deserved the criticism.

What pathetic whining.

- I don’t like Cain’s 9-9-9 plan. I don’t like some of his positions, but at least he hasn’t called me heartless for not agreeing with him


15 posted on 10/14/2011 9:52:20 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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16 posted on 10/14/2011 9:53:25 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity

Here. Try this and get the straight scoop. You make it sound like perry was pure as the driven snow here. But here is the full picture. The politico piece doesn’t nearly tell the story...and they spelled vicious wrong to boot.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2011/10/fight_club_intraparty_punches.php

Romney and Perry, of course, have generally been the principle fighters in the most high profile debate battles to date, with Perry hurling 12 verbal punches at Romney since the California debate and Romney dealing 13 of his own against Perry.

The two candidates have each made only two critical remarks against the other six candidates combined throughout the four debates.

It was Perry, however, who started the war when he delivered the first attack of the evening during the California debate at the Ronald Reagan Library, directing the following critique at Romney:

“When he moved that experience to government, he had one of the lowest job creation rates in the country. So the fact is, while he had a good private sector record, his public sector record did not match that. As a matter of fact, we created more jobs in the last three months in Texas than he created in four years in Massachusetts.” Perry, who saw Romney as his main competitor, and Huntsman, who has been trying to tap into Romney’s support in New Hampshire, are responsible for more than three-quarters of the attacks against the former Massachusetts governor.

Perry has his fingerprints on 41 percent of the 29 attacks against Romney, with Huntsman close behind at 34 percent (with 10).

Santorum, Gingrich, and Cain have each criticized Romney two times and Bachmann just once. Congressman Paul has not gone after the former Massachusetts governor in these last four debates.

Romney’s 13 barbs against the Texas governor account for 33 percent of the anti-Perry comments, with every candidate **except Herman Cain** taking credit for at least one attack: Santorum with eight, Bachmann and Huntsman with seven each, Paul with three, and Gingrich with one.

Worth repeating: **except Herman Cain**


17 posted on 10/14/2011 9:53:57 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Clairity

Conservatives have a playbook...the media by their attacks tells you who they are most afraid of. This is the man we get behind. RICK PERRY GO PERRY GO!!!


18 posted on 10/14/2011 9:55:37 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: South40

Ping to #17


19 posted on 10/14/2011 9:55:55 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: PAConservative1

No one on this site supports Mitt. The whole anti-Perry=pro-Mitt is dead and buried deeply already.


20 posted on 10/14/2011 9:56:45 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: PAConservative1

What part?


21 posted on 10/14/2011 9:59:31 PM PDT by smoothsailing (DEFEND OUR MARINES - http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing

Bucks County


22 posted on 10/14/2011 10:02:37 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: Clairity

I think some of it has to do with the Texas accent and people just assume that means he’s ‘dumb’. That’s a type of bigotry in itsef - just because he has the same accent as George Bush doesn’t mean he’s the same person. There are a lot of people in Texas, it’s just a stereotype.


23 posted on 10/14/2011 10:02:54 PM PDT by independent in tx
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To: MestaMachine

Perry had better man up. This victim card being played by him and his wife is most unattractive.


24 posted on 10/14/2011 10:06:45 PM PDT by Palladin (Fast and Furious = Obama's Waterloo.)
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To: independent in tx

See post 12 for why Perry is dumb. Trust me, it has nothing to do with his accent or where he’s from, it has everything to do with his inability to form simple sentences.


25 posted on 10/14/2011 10:09:40 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: South40

During Tuesday’s Washington Post-Bloomberg debate, Herman Cain, the former chief executive of Godfather’s Pizza, named Rich Lowrie of Cleveland as “my lead economist” who helped develop Cain’s signature “9-9-9” plan for overhauling the federal tax system. “He is an economist, and he has worked in the business of wealth creation most of his career,” Cain said.

Actually, according to Lowrie’s Linked-In profile, he has a bachelor’s degree in accountancy from Case Western Reserve University, not economics. Lowrie, in an e-mail, said he did not consider himself an economist, just “senior economic advisor” to the Cain campaign. Donor information maintained by Opensecrets.org shows he has donated $1,500 to Cain in 2010 and 2011, but also contributed $2,300 to Mitt Romney in his first run for the presidency in 2007.

Okay, so Cain may have exaggerated the qualifications of his economic guru. But he has forcefully defended his ‘9-9-9’ plan, both during Tuesday night’s debate and on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” on Wednesday. Many readers have asked us to examine the plan and explain it, so let’s take it for a test drive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/herman-cains-misleading-pitch-for-the-999-plan/2011/10/12/gIQAHszPgL_blog.html


26 posted on 10/14/2011 10:11:01 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: PAConservative1

OK, eastern PA. Thx.


27 posted on 10/14/2011 10:12:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing (DEFEND OUR MARINES - http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Clairity

It’s helpful, he’ll have a thicker skin when he takes on Obama in the General Election.


28 posted on 10/14/2011 10:17:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing (DEFEND OUR MARINES - http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: PAConservative1

Do you dump your relatives, spouse, friends if they way ONE word to you that you don’t like, such as “heartless” despite of everything they do for you and all their million good qualities?

No forgiveness, that’s it, get out and never speak to me again, “you are dead to me” — is that your attitude?

Then you go and write a will leaving everything to your worst enemy?

This is what you are doing in politics — dismiss Perry, then let Obama be president and destroy the country completely, just because Perry used the word “heartless” for allowing children of illegals to attend college paying in-state tuition. That’s really logicaL. (/SARC)


29 posted on 10/14/2011 10:18:20 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: South40
“I am intrigued and open to the Bush administration’s amnesty proposal. Most Texans would agree that it’s better to have legal, taxpaying immigrants from Mexico working in the United States than illegal immigrants living in fear of the law and afraid to access basic services.”

---Rick Perry

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/opinion/2011/09/20/avoid-immigration-perry

30 posted on 10/14/2011 10:25:25 PM PDT by casablanca
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To: MestaMachine
Great post and a perfect response to this whining thread.

Thanks MM!

31 posted on 10/14/2011 10:28:33 PM PDT by South40 (Reject the pro-ILLEGAL Alien candidate. Vote conservative -- vote for Herman Cain!)
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To: org.whodat

Your posts are kinda cruel and nasty.

Have a great evening.


32 posted on 10/14/2011 10:30:22 PM PDT by berdie
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To: independent in tx
Do you think Perry has more of an accent than Cain?

Are we to hold it against Cain that he has an accent like Jimmy Carter?

33 posted on 10/14/2011 10:30:47 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: GeronL

but he backed barry in not allowing citizens to see the pics of bid laden but the elected officials should be allowed. He has no problem interfering w/our rights, like barry. I know - that goes under the ‘no one is perfect’ column - later to be pulled out and into the ‘we knew it back then’ column and others will be ‘I can’t believe’ mode.

He has no accomplishments since he’s never been elected but that’s not because of a lack of trying - he’s been at it since 2000 when he threw his hat in the presidential ring but failed and used radio to create an image he needed for his next run. And now he’s being championed as not a politician! LOL! He was asked to resign by the BOD. All stuff no one has touched him on yet - along with just basically smearing him with innuendo’s. What would be his answer why he thought citizens have no right to see the photos - whether they wanted to or not is not the question. Whether they had a redeeming value or not is not the question. Denying ‘Our rights’ is the question. Here’s where the talk doesn’t equate the walk.


34 posted on 10/14/2011 10:31:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: All

I see a problem. Obama should be at the top of that list.


35 posted on 10/14/2011 10:31:56 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: South40

Ya got that right!


36 posted on 10/14/2011 10:34:41 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Clairity

Dismissing Perry does not = letting Obama become president. I think Herman Cain stands a much better shot at beating Obama, the polls say so too. If Perry somehow became the nominee I’d obviously vote for him, but in the primary I will vote for the person who didn’t call me heartless and gives in-state tuition to illegals, and is a solid conservative.


37 posted on 10/14/2011 10:39:49 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: casablanca
lol! Thanks Casablanca! That's a keeper!

I know La Raza Rick favors amnesty as do many of his supporters. Heck, I think that's why some of them like him. But it's good to have these quotes for those who are in denial.

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But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.

La Raza Rick Perry: Sure.

Rick Perry on the Record

38 posted on 10/14/2011 10:40:26 PM PDT by South40 (Reject the pro-ILLEGAL Alien candidate. Vote conservative -- vote for Herman Cain!)
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To: Clairity

Pery came in as a big frontrunner, so of course everyone went after him. Just the way it is.


39 posted on 10/14/2011 10:40:40 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: GeronL

Whining!


40 posted on 10/14/2011 10:45:20 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: South40
"I don't think this (amnesty) is that difficult an issue if Congress would have the maturity to sit down and really discuss it and cut out all the mean rhetoric," Perry said during a break in the third day of meetings with Mexican officials and business executives.

http://corridornews.blogspot.com/2007/08/rick-perry-snipes-at-ugly-americans.html

Perry makes McCain look conservative.

41 posted on 10/14/2011 11:14:16 PM PDT by casablanca
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To: casablanca
Perry makes McCain look conservative.

Yup.


42 posted on 10/14/2011 11:24:19 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: casablanca
There you go with those personal attacks again. Just trying to beat some cultist perrywinkle to the punch. LOL
43 posted on 10/14/2011 11:25:44 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Clairity
Accountability is a bitch.

Cain will learn the same when he finds out that a NRST is probably unconstitutional. That's the nature of politics these days. Stop acting like a crybaby.

44 posted on 10/14/2011 11:26:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: PAConservative1

Governor Perry communicated perfectly the political animal we have in Romney. “I mean, we’ll wait until tomorrow and — and — and see which Mitt Romney we’re really talking to tonight,” says it all.


45 posted on 10/14/2011 11:44:53 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: All
Cain on Greenspan: “the best the Federal Reserve has had in the past 40 years”

This Greenspan:

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan Thursday offered a spirited defense of the controversial H-1B program program, telling a U.S. Senate subcommittee that the visa quota is "far too small to meet the need," and that it protects U.S. workers from global competition, creating a "privileged elite."

The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World

Of all the presidents with whom he worked, he praises Bill Clinton above all others, saying that Clinton maintained “a consistent, disciplined focus on long-term economic growth.

(Wow, what about Reagan?)

“Republicans deserved to lose the 2006 elections.”

1998 bailout of Long Term Capital

Some industry officials said that Federal Reserve Bank of New York involvement in the rescue, however benign, would encourage large financial institutions to assume more risk, in the belief that the Federal Reserve would intervene on their behalf in the event of trouble. Federal Reserve Bank of New York actions raised concerns among some market observers that it could create moral hazard.

LTCM’s strategies were compared (a contrast with the market efficiency aphorism that there are no $100 bills lying on the street, as someone else has already picked them up) to “picking up nickels in front of a bulldozer” – a likely small gain balanced against a small chance of a large loss, like the payouts from selling an out-of-the-money option.

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Cain made the case that the entitlement program was inherently biased against African Americans.

"If that's going to be a transfer from me to white people," Cain said of his own payments into the Social Security trust fund, "can't I at least give it to white people I like?"

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This is Herman Cain: “I get the same stupid question at almost every one of these events, I know it’s a deliberate strategy. How can a person randomly show up at a hundred events and ask the same stupid question to try to nail me on the Federal Reserve?”

Cain lied in the debate.

Cain responded by claiming he never dismissed Ron Paul or his supporters as “ignorant” for asking about the Federal Reserve, and that the error was down to Paul believing what he read on the Internet. (maybe not, he called them stupid)

Cain on radio—No Need To Audit the Federal Reserve

Transcript:

Some people say we ought to audit the Federal Reserve. Here's what I do know. The Federal Reserve already has so many internal audits it's ridiculous. I don't know why people think we're going to learn this great amount of information by auditing the Federal Reserve.... Here's the advice I've given to people who are worried about an audit of the Federal Reserve. Call them up and ask them! You can stop by and have one of their P.R. people or one of their public relations people explain to you how the Federal Reserve operates. I think a lot of people are calling for this audit of the Federal Reserve because they don't know enough about it. There's no hidden secrets going on in the Federal Reserve to my knowledge. And I tell people, we've got 12 Federal Reserve Banks. Find out which district you are in, call them up and go from there. We don't need to waste money with another commission or an audit. That is not necessary because folks, we've got a lot of other problems we've got to worry about.

It is not just Paulbots who want an audit.

46 posted on 10/14/2011 11:44:53 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: Clairity

The heartless comment destroyed Perry’s campaign. It was his Dean Scream. You can choose to believe it’s because we’ re thin skinned.

You’re wrong.

The problem for Perry is that the comment reveals much about his mindset on the issue. We’ve heard it before. We are racist. Nativists. Heartless. We’ve been there, got the T-shirt.

No amount of justifying his tuition stance will save Perry’s campaign. If he is to survive, he must walk back the mindset his heartless comment reveals. How he does that without being hypocritical is beyond me. But if he does not repudiate the position, the size of his campaign account is meaningless.


47 posted on 10/14/2011 11:51:17 PM PDT by ziravan (You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be President. . . but it helps!)
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To: MestaMachine

I think that is why Cain is rising and Newt, too.


48 posted on 10/15/2011 12:11:51 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: going hot; All
I think you and the rest miss the forest for the trees.

And deliberately so I suspect in some cases.

It's not that Perry's been a target, it's the disproportion. That should concern everyone because, as you contend, it won't get easier in the general.

Everyone who is a threat to win the nomination better be getting their fair share of criticism in the debates now but it hasn't happened.

The long knives have been out for Perry most of all, by 34% over Romney.

49 posted on 10/15/2011 12:12:58 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: PAConservative1
Uh, what does calling someone out at a debate have to do with civility? That’s part of what debates are for, to draw contrasts. And Perry was an easy target for everyone, since it’s basically impossible to miss.

I'm a little tired of the whining about that myself. Last week it was Michele Bachmann's "low blow" to Herman Cain that caused crying from everyone but Cain.

People need to grow the hell up and get over it.
50 posted on 10/15/2011 4:15:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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