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Political payback behind US special forces deployment to Uganda?
Salt Lake Tribune ^

Posted on 10/15/2011 7:10:47 AM PDT by AfricanChristian

Why is the U.S. sending its troops to finish off a fractured band of bush fighters in the middle of Africa? Political payback for the quiet sacrifices of Uganda's troops in Somalia could be one reason, experts say. President Barack Obama announced Friday he is dispatching about 100 U.S. troops — mostly special operations forces — to central Africa to advise in the fight against the Lord's Resistance Army. The LRA is a guerrilla group accused of widespread atrocities across several countries. The first U.S. troops arrived Wednesday. Long considered one of Africa's most brutal rebel groups, the Lord's Resistance Army began its attacks in Uganda more than 20 years ago.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; alshabaab; lordsresistancearmy; lra; somalia; uganda; us

1 posted on 10/15/2011 7:10:53 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian

No it’s pure hate of Christians, as you well know.

Obama has sent a hit squad to eliminate a Christian rebel group, and protect a repressive muslim government.


2 posted on 10/15/2011 7:14:28 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: AfricanChristian
zer0s nuts, out of control. Who has to die now and why. What could be in the interest of the USA in using special forces to slaughter Africans ?
3 posted on 10/15/2011 7:15:51 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: null and void

There’s nothing christian about that group except the name. They’re brutal thugs and deserve whatever fate they get. The only question that needs to be asked is does this involve the vital national security interests of the US.


4 posted on 10/15/2011 7:17:35 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

They’re Mormon?


5 posted on 10/15/2011 7:19:53 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: null and void
Obama has sent a hit squad to eliminate a Christian rebel group, and protect a repressive muslim government.

I was wondering about that. He goes way out of his way to pamper radical muslim groups, but as soon as a Christian group tries to defend itself, he's right there to stop them.

We've heard how awful these evil Christians are, but is that the REAL story? Never once has the Oboma administration condemned the jihadists for their brutal atrocities.

"Something stinks in Denmark."

6 posted on 10/15/2011 7:21:12 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: AfricanChristian

The Gov of Uganda is as complicit in brutality and murder as these Faux Christians.

Face it Savagery is the policy of Uganda.

11 October 2011 Last updated at 17:03 ET

Where child sacrifice is a business
By Chris Rogers

BBC News, Kampala

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15255357

So Why would Zero place OUR TROOPS on the side of a Gov that allows Child Sacrafices?


7 posted on 10/15/2011 7:23:10 AM PDT by marty60
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To: AfricanChristian

Where is the Code Pink and all the other anti war groups that terrorized GWB for eight years?


8 posted on 10/15/2011 7:23:19 AM PDT by animal172 (Please Lord. Come get the liberals.)
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To: marty60
So Why would Zero place OUR TROOPS on the side of a Gov that allows Child Sacrafices?

The child sacrifices? When has he ever backed away from abortion and infanticide?

9 posted on 10/15/2011 7:26:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: null and void

As far as I know our troops have never been used to protect child sacrifices.

Oh I think we know that this is a Fascist/Socialist regime in Washington that considers life at ALL stages expendable.

The HCR reform has proved that. Let the Seniors DIE.
Death panels, abortion on demand. Oh there is NO doubt what this administration supports.


10 posted on 10/15/2011 7:30:03 AM PDT by marty60
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To: null and void

No, they’re thugs, rapists, kidnappers, murderers and pretty much anything else you can think of. Just do a little background searching on their history. There is no reason to support these guys just because they claim to be Christians. They are the furthest theing from that.


11 posted on 10/15/2011 7:32:56 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: AfricanChristian

Any one want to take my bet that Barry’s next ‘job’ will be a dictator in Africa????????? Think about it!


12 posted on 10/15/2011 7:33:23 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: AfricanChristian

AnointedIdiot = wannabe Dictator. =.=


13 posted on 10/15/2011 7:36:37 AM PDT by cranked
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To: saganite

And the reason to support a child sacrifice tolerating muslim government is...?


14 posted on 10/15/2011 7:37:14 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Doc Savage

Caliph of Afrika


15 posted on 10/15/2011 7:37:30 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Doc Savage

I wouldn’t bet against it.


16 posted on 10/15/2011 7:38:21 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Doc Savage

I don’t think he could ever get the type of security around him for such a coward as him to try it.


17 posted on 10/15/2011 7:42:32 AM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: null and void
Religion in Uganda Religion percent Christianity   84% Islam   12% Other or None   4% Church in EntebbeAccording to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population.[32] The Roman Catholic Church has the largest number of adherents (41.9%), followed by the Anglican Church of Uganda (35.9%). Evangelical and Pentecostal churches claim the rest of the Christian population. The next most reported religion of Uganda is Islam, with Muslims representing 12% of the population.[32] The Muslim population is primarily Sunni; there is also a minority belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. The remainder of the population follow traditional religions (1%), Bahai (0.1%), or other non-Christian religions (0.7%), or have no religious affiliation (0.9%).[32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda
18 posted on 10/15/2011 7:48:21 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Doc Savage
Any one want to take my bet that Barry’s next ‘job’ will be a dictator in Africa????????? Think about it!

I thought about that, too. He helped them write their constitution, and it allows for him to become their next dictator.
He's doing a horrible job here, so I can see him going over there where he can be the dictator he's trying to be here (He's always complaining about congress getting in his way - "If only I were king.").

19 posted on 10/15/2011 7:49:11 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: AfricanChristian

The explanation is plausible. A situation where a president would likely rubber stamp what he is told is necessary.


20 posted on 10/15/2011 7:50:02 AM PDT by decimon
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To: saganite
And the reason to support a child sacrifice tolerating minority rule muslim government is...?
21 posted on 10/15/2011 7:52:50 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: AfricanChristian

“Obama announced Friday he is dispatching about 100 U.S. troops — mostly special operations forces — to central Africa to advise in the fight against the Lord’s Resistance Army”

Special Ops guys as advisors? The only thing they will be advising is for everyone to get out of the way while they double tap 300-400 guerillas. And call in the drone strikes.


22 posted on 10/15/2011 8:00:14 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: marty60

I happened to see that BBC program this morning. Disgusting
beyond belief!


23 posted on 10/15/2011 8:03:34 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: null and void

The Lords Resistance Army is really bad news and has been for year (before 1987). You don’t need to depend on new MSM stories about them go back a few years and read about them. They kidnap young kids start training them then make them go back to their original village and kill all their relatives. If they don’t kill their relatives they are killed themselves. The girls they kidnap are turned into sex slaves for the leadership. They are one of the prime creators of children soldiers in the world. They have kidnapped something like 25,000-40,000 children over the years and additional thousands of adults..

I wouldn’t call these guys Christian The wikipedia article on them is a pretty good basic history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

The question of why now and why there about the actions of the Obama administration are valid, but your reason isn’t valid IMO. One source I’ve read says it’s payback to the Ugandan government for providing troops to aid us in Somalia fighting Islamist there. I don’t trust this administration as far as I can toss a 10 story office building and think they would be perfectly willing to toss Israel under the bus (won’t right now because of the election and their fundraising efforts) and go after Christian groups to prove to Muslims that they are even handed, but this isn’t a case of that.


24 posted on 10/15/2011 8:04:47 AM PDT by airedale
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To: saganite

“No, they’re thugs, rapists, kidnappers, murderers and pretty much anything else you can think of. Just do a little background searching on their history. There is no reason to support these guys just because they claim to be Christians. They are the furthest theing from that.”

Who said anything about wanting to support them?


25 posted on 10/15/2011 8:16:56 AM PDT by ngat
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To: animal172
Where is the Code Pink and all the other anti war groups that terrorized GWB for eight years?

Some of them are still relevant. But the media, for whatever reason, of late has given them short shrift.

26 posted on 10/15/2011 8:21:31 AM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: Doc Savage

“Any one want to take my bet that Barry’s next ‘job’ will be a dictator in Africa????????? Think about it!”

The Emporer Jones


27 posted on 10/15/2011 8:26:40 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: ngat; saganite; airedale
Who said anything about wanting to support them?

To be fair, what I have said on this thread could be interpreted as to say I think they should be supported.

I don't.

I also don't think we have a compelling national interest to be there at all.

I do think Obama simply can't resist defending muslims against anything that even claims to be Christian.

YMMV

28 posted on 10/15/2011 8:27:55 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: null and void; saganite

What would you do if you happened upon Son of Sam and Hannibal Lecter going at it hammer and tong?


29 posted on 10/15/2011 8:33:41 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

Exactly. What f-stop to use?


30 posted on 10/15/2011 8:40:23 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: AfricanChristian

Notice “Most Brutal”—Most horrible atrocities” Etc ETC

Left loves it when troops are used for humanitarian wars but hate it when used for national security reasons


31 posted on 10/15/2011 9:19:15 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: null and void

“Exactly. What f-stop to use?

Ha. I was thinking, what caliber to use.


32 posted on 10/15/2011 9:29:52 AM PDT by ngat
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To: AfricanChristian

I dont know any good reason to have our troops there. It boggles the mind.
Then,while watching “Current” tv network, it dawned to me a reason why.
Uganda is a Christian country. they recently tried to passed very strict anti-homosexuality laws. the Clergry is pushing for it and most of the nation stand for it as well. Preachers from the USA have gone down to assist and advise the Ugandian Christians.
Maybe Obama is bowing to the Gay lobby and is using the LRA as a excuse for this deployment.
Maybe I am a crackpot, but with this regime, anything is possible.


33 posted on 10/15/2011 10:55:39 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Realman30

I just find it interesting that these groups seem to favor any war as long it’s being started by one of tbeir own.


34 posted on 10/15/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by animal172 (Please Lord. Come get the liberals.)
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To: Yorlik803

It’s simple, can’t you grasp it?

You (the US), outsourced your part of your national security policy (Somalia) to the Ugandans. Now they want to outsource part of theirs (LRA) to you.

Do you think the Ugandans are stupid? Do you think that you can simply send foreign soldiers to do your bidding and not be asked to do something risky in return?

These compromises are going to be more common in future (irrespective of which party is in power) - as America becomes more involved in Africa. For example, expect the Nigerians to insist in return for assistance in whacking Al Qaeda in Mauritania that you send a few hundred marines to help in whacking the Niger Delta militants. Expect Kagame in Rwanda to request for US help in whacking Hutu militants or one group or the other in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

(Once you start messing around in Congo, know for certain that you’re in trouble).

I don’t know how or when this will end, but it might end in tears. No nation is going to commit its troops in furtherance of America’s strategic objectives without requiring something significant in return.

This takes us to the fundamental flaw in American foreign policy - a failure to take into account the motivations and interests of its partners. If I asked you to name America’s partners in the War on Terror in Africa, you probably could. If I asked to list their strategic interests, even the most experienced State Department officials probably couldn’t.

Also note that the US has a well earned reputation for abandoning its allies. If you start throwing out your allies requests, then you’d merely be cementing this reputation and they’ll look for someone else to do the job (likely candidate: the Chinese).

At some point in the future, the US will be forced to weigh the true costs of engagement with regimes all over the World with the benefits. In future, you might decide that strategic neglect is a wise course of action.


35 posted on 10/15/2011 11:27:38 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Ethiopia is and has been under continuous attack; since 1993 it's been landlocked, and most of its borders are with Islamic/Islamofascist states. Iran has missiles overlooking the Red Sea, where the oil supply floats by. Zero's done nothing about the Red Sea pirates. He's supported Islamic /Islamofascist/jihadist violence and terror throughout northern Africa. No wonder South Africa has aligned with Russia, China, India, and Brazil.
CIA - The World Factbook

CIA - The World Factbook

36 posted on 10/15/2011 12:33:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: uncbob

This is mixing in African tribal warfare. There have been horrible atrocities committed on both sides. I just hope our troops fare better than the American-trained Guatemalan Special Ops soldiers sent in 2006.


37 posted on 10/15/2011 12:48:53 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: AfricanChristian
35 posted on Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:27:38 PM by AfricanChristian: “Also note that the US has a well earned reputation for abandoning its allies. If you start throwing out your allies requests, then you’d merely be cementing this reputation and they’ll look for someone else to do the job (likely candidate: the Chinese). At some point in the future, the US will be forced to weigh the true costs of engagement with regimes all over the World with the benefits. In future, you might decide that strategic neglect is a wise course of action.”

Bingo on your first point about having a bad history of abandoning allies, and then double-bingo on your second point of counting the cost of worldwide engagement.

You've obviously spent a lot of time studying world politics and history. If you're not familiar with Sen. Arthur Vandenberg from Michigan, spend some time reading his conversion from the classical conservative position of isolationism to the conviction that the United States had no choice but to become the leader of the free world in a post-World War II environment. He believed the military situation had fundamentally changed due to the rise of international Communism with access to nuclear weapons which could pose a direct risk to the continental United States. He also saw the collapse of the traditional colonial powers and the very real risk that Communism would take over much of the post-colonial African and Asian nations, and (in a 1940s/early 1950s context) possibly even take over significant parts of Western Europe through the ballot box rather than through bullets. As bad as European-style socialism is, there were active and successful Communist parties in numerous Western European countries, and without the Marshall Plan, they could quite possibly have neutralized several Western European countries that eventually remained American allies.

A huge part of the American problem is that America simply does not have much experience in international affairs and has a very strong contingent within the political class which would like to ignore most of the world outside our borders if we could get away with doing so. That's very different from the British, who at least understood how to run an empire from a millennium of dealing with French, Scottish, Welsh and Irish affairs and three centuries of colonial experience.

Unlike the British, virtually all of our American expansion until the early 1900s was in the continental United States and represented an extension of American culture into the Midwest and West and Southwest with the aid of massive European immigration into our Eastern and Midwestern industrial cities. We as conservatives have not yet had seven decades of agreement that the United States has any business with “entanglement” in foreign affairs at all, and even that was based on an anti-Communist agenda which cannot easily be transferred to an anti-Islamofascist agenda. (Think of the roles of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Pakistan, for example.... President Reagan may have thought that Islamic fundamentalists were turbaned Arabic-speaking versions of anti-Communist Southern Baptists and anti-abortion Roman Catholics, but we found out the hard way that the mujahadeen had a very different anti-Communist agenda than ours).

38 posted on 10/15/2011 2:59:07 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: null and void

Statistically, Uganda is overwhelmingly Christian. Plus-75% worth. So much for statistics.
Uganda has a reputation for being virulently homophobic. A bill (Kill the Gays Bill)was introduced in their legislature in 2009 that would strengthen existing laws against gays to include the death penalty. Sure hope none of our troopies are actively out of the closet. A romantic interlude on Lake Victoria just wouldn’t be prudent.


39 posted on 10/15/2011 7:01:50 PM PDT by Huaynero
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