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Op-Ed: Gilad Shalit: The Least Terrible Deal
Arutz Sheva ^ | 14/10/11 | Hagai Humberman

Posted on 10/15/2011 2:38:26 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

The writer, a veteran right wing newsman, analyzes the security aspects of the Shalit deal. They are better than the previous ones, he says, leaving moral and political considerations aside for now.

Haggai Huberman The author is a noted military correspondent, a veteran reporter for Arutz Sheva and regular columnist in the Hebrew weekly BeSheva. ► More from this writer

If I were a cabinet minister, I would vote for the deal to ransom Shalit, not because it is a good one, which it most definitely is not, but because for once, just this once, this is a deal that we can live with – barely.

The choice in this case is not between a good and a bad deal. The cabinet ministers had to choose between a terribly bad deal and one that is the least terrible. And this deal is the least terrible of them all.

I wish to examine the deal from one aspect only – the security aspect, not the moral or the political aspect – as those deserve separate consideration.

Hamas gave in on two significant points – it is important to remember that Hamas has agreed to leave the most hardcore terrorists in jail, such as the commander in chief of terror in Judea and Samaria, Marwan Barghouti, the Hamas commander there, Ibrahim Hamid and his operations officer Abdallah Barghouti.

Abbas al-Sayed who carried out the 2002 Netanya Park Hotel massacre on Passover, Ahmed Sa'adat who was responsible for the murder of MK Rehavam Ze’evi Hy”d [may G-d avenge his blood, an expression used for victims of anti-Semitism ed.], the Hamas chief officer in Gaza Hassan Salameh and others, will remain imprisoned.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deal; hamas; israel; shalit; sucks
My deal would have been better.
1 posted on 10/15/2011 2:38:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

The Palestinians didn’t get all they wanted, but they got enough to make snatching the next Israeli solider worth trying. One swap every five years seems to be the pace.


2 posted on 10/15/2011 2:41:56 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Eleutheria5

My deal would be that Israel takes and annexes 1 square km every day until Shalit and ALL other hostages are released unharmed. Make kidnapping harmful to the animals instead of rewarding them.


3 posted on 10/15/2011 2:44:27 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I think the Israelis expect hostilities in the very near future and have calculated it’s better to have these guys out on the loose where they can be dealt with when the shooting starts instead of safe in prison.


4 posted on 10/15/2011 2:46:15 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Eleutheria5

I think the Israelis expect hostilities in the very near future and have calculated it’s better to have these guys out on the loose where they can be dealt with when the shooting starts instead of safe in prison.


5 posted on 10/15/2011 2:46:21 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Eleutheria5
"Kahane was right"

6 posted on 10/15/2011 2:47:41 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Ancesthntr

If Hamas does not release Shalit, and I kind of expect they won’t, that might be what happens.


7 posted on 10/15/2011 2:48:03 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Eleutheria5

Reward criminal acts, and you get more of them.


8 posted on 10/15/2011 2:48:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eleutheria5

Prayers for Gilad Shalit and his family.


9 posted on 10/15/2011 2:48:37 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Eleutheria5
...but because for once, just this once, this is a deal that we can live with – barely.

Don't worry. As soon as Shalit is released (if he even is released) Hamas will grab another Israeli soldier and start the negotiating process all over again. Expect to be doing this perpetually, or until you accept that you can't get your prisoners back without either a crushing victory over Hamas or unacceptable truckling to Hamas. The latter is what you're doing now.
10 posted on 10/15/2011 2:55:40 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: rdcbn

I suspect he’s dead.


11 posted on 10/15/2011 2:56:24 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cheburashka

They could grab him in a lightning-fast surprise raid, now that they know where he is (in Egypt). Then there’s an end to it. But wait, Egypt might not like us anymore./s


12 posted on 10/15/2011 2:59:13 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cheburashka

They could grab him in a lightning-fast surprise raid, now that they know where he is (in Egypt). Then there’s an end to it. But wait, Egypt might not like us anymore./s


13 posted on 10/15/2011 2:59:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

I nearly agree.

When the shooting starts, there won’t be any onus on Israel for shooting the released terrorists, because they’ll be fair game.

When the Arabs start the next war, Israel needs to completely empty Gaza (which is already Judenrein), and, if there’s so much as one missile launch from the so-called West Bank, completely remove its entire Arab population.

And instead of moving said deportees to, say, Sinai, deport them into Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.

If Lebanon joins the war against Israel, the Hizzie-run areas need to be depopulated the old-fashioned way. That’ll mean plenty of room for the deported Arabs.


14 posted on 10/15/2011 3:00:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Do you have any idea what that would all do to the construction industry here? Demand would exceed the supply of experienced workers by about 10:1.

Enough with the expulsion talk. Kahane was wrong. Win the war, and the local Arab population will be cowed. Lose it, and we all die. That’s the reality. Expulsions are a pipe dream built on a premature assumption.


15 posted on 10/15/2011 3:09:43 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Ancesthntr

I like your deal better


16 posted on 10/15/2011 3:36:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Eleutheria5

I hope not, but I suspect you are correct


17 posted on 10/15/2011 3:40:24 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Eleutheria5

Say that to the Serbs in Krajina, Christians in Afghanistan and jews in Iraq and Morocco...

Expulsions happen. All that is needed is will and power.

Leave the arabs in place and it will come back to haunt the Israelis in the future. Win the war and the local muslims will go back to biding their time and doing their best to outbreed the jews. And for every decade that passes Israel will be in greater peril.

So what if the muslims are angry? What will they do? Start a campaign of terror and be determined to wipe out Israel once they have the strength?


18 posted on 10/15/2011 4:30:07 PM PDT by LastNorwegian
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To: GAB-1955

Here’s a better deal: declare open season on Hamas. Kill every Hamas member you can find, no prisoners. Keep at it until every Israeli prisoner is released.


19 posted on 10/15/2011 4:37:01 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Eleutheria5

You’re wrong.


20 posted on 10/15/2011 4:49:32 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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21 posted on 10/15/2011 4:57:40 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: LastNorwegian

Expulsion happens, true. But it will not happen that way here. Aside from the fact that we Jooos! are a bunch of soft-hearted fools, we’ve never actually done any wholesale expulsions. It was unnecessary, because in 1948, the Arabs all ran after hearing the false, exaggerated rumors circulating about what happened in Deir Yassin. It would have happened in 1967, but Moshe Dayan stupidly opened his mouth and said that the Jews have no claim to Yesha, and promised to give it all back. The Arabs looking to flee from the wicked Jooos! then unpacked their bags and stayed. A similar thing will happen should we have to fight and conclusively win another major war, only this time Moshe Dayan won’t be around to make stupid statements.

It’s not a desirable result here, because unfortunately there are many Jews mixed in with the Arab population. These are called “tinukot shenishbu” in Jewish law. Their mothers were rebellious teenagers/leftist idiots/abductees who ended up forcibly married to Arabs. Their children must not be abandoned by the Jewish community, as they would be if there were an expulsion. There are also entire tribes of Bedouins who have for centuries been practicing Jewish rites in secret, who are descendants of Jews forced to convert to Islam. Similar communities have come out in the open in recent years in Portugal and Spain, now that the Inquisition is gone. I’ll take my chances with the Arabs we have with us for the sake of those of my people trapped among them, and the hopes of freeing them.

It’s also a fact that the Arab construction workers get the job done. I know from my own observations, and what the Jewish contractor who hires them tells me. Jewish crews have chronic absenteeisms. Consequently, for various anthropological reasons, the Arabs dominate construction here.

I would favor paying Arabs wishing to emigrate a “sal pleita” or emigrant package commensurate with what Jews are paid as “sal klita” or immigration packages. They could use that package to resettle elsewhere.

But mass expulsions will not and should not happen, both for the reasons enumerated above, and because it’s something that Muslims do to non-Muslims which marks them as barbarians, as per all of your examples.

Incidentally, the Jews of Morrocco voluntarily emigrated. They were not expelled, but wanted an existence as something other than dhimmes. This I’ve heard from Moroccans who made the move to Israel.


22 posted on 10/15/2011 5:25:49 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: LastNorwegian

Expulsion happens, true. But it will not happen that way here. Aside from the fact that we Jooos! are a bunch of soft-hearted fools, we’ve never actually done any wholesale expulsions. It was unnecessary, because in 1948, the Arabs all ran after hearing the false, exaggerated rumors circulating about what happened in Deir Yassin. It would have happened in 1967, but Moshe Dayan stupidly opened his mouth and said that the Jews have no claim to Yesha, and promised to give it all back. The Arabs looking to flee from the wicked Jooos! then unpacked their bags and stayed. A similar thing will happen should we have to fight and conclusively win another major war, only this time Moshe Dayan won’t be around to make stupid statements.

It’s not a desirable result here, because unfortunately there are many Jews mixed in with the Arab population. These are called “tinukot shenishbu” in Jewish law. Their mothers were rebellious teenagers/leftist idiots/abductees who ended up forcibly married to Arabs. Their children must not be abandoned by the Jewish community, as they would be if there were an expulsion. There are also entire tribes of Bedouins who have for centuries been practicing Jewish rites in secret, who are descendants of Jews forced to convert to Islam. Similar communities have come out in the open in recent years in Portugal and Spain, now that the Inquisition is gone. I’ll take my chances with the Arabs we have with us for the sake of those of my people trapped among them, and the hopes of freeing them.

It’s also a fact that the Arab construction workers get the job done. I know from my own observations, and what the Jewish contractor who hires them tells me. Jewish crews have chronic absenteeisms. Consequently, for various anthropological reasons, the Arabs dominate construction here.

I would favor paying Arabs wishing to emigrate a “sal pleita” or emigrant package commensurate with what Jews are paid as “sal klita” or immigration packages. They could use that package to resettle elsewhere.

But mass expulsions will not and should not happen, both for the reasons enumerated above, and because it’s something that Muslims do to non-Muslims which marks them as barbarians, as per all of your examples.

Incidentally, the Jews of Morrocco voluntarily emigrated. They were not expelled, but wanted an existence as something other than dhimmes. This I’ve heard from Moroccans who made the move to Israel.


23 posted on 10/15/2011 5:25:51 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: PapaBear3625

No untils. Just keep at it.


24 posted on 10/15/2011 5:27:08 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Expulsion wouldn’t do anything to the need for construction, it would merely change where the construction took place.


25 posted on 10/16/2011 3:32:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Eleutheria5
My deal from Day 1: Shut off the water, electricity, and fod deliveries to Gaza until the hostage is returned. Bibi is making a big mistake here.
26 posted on 10/16/2011 3:36:52 AM PDT by Shqipo (I am AttackWatch parolee #1,237. I am breaking my parole once more.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It would also remove the work force doing the construction.

Today I was in Bat Ayin. They do not permit Arabs into the gate, not to work and not to pass through. They do have some ongoing construction, now that the freeze is over, and because they are the only town with these strictures, they can find workers to do the job. But expel all Arabs from Israel, and the few Jewish construction workers will suddenly be stretched too thin. Construction will grind to a crawl, and the land will not be developed.


27 posted on 10/16/2011 2:53:46 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Once the Arabs are removed, unemployed construction workers from the US would be more than willing to work in Israel.

BTW, this reminds me of a Rodney Dangerfield routine.


28 posted on 10/16/2011 4:58:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not if the Mexicans get here first. What’s a transatlantic flight when you’re talking those high, non-union wages?


29 posted on 10/16/2011 5:16:17 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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