Skip to comments.Herman Cain: Electrify the Border Fence
Posted on 10/15/2011 6:06:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing
October 15, 2011
It’s now a “9999” plan: 9 percent personal income tax, 9 percent national sales tax, 9 percent business tax, and a 9 amp jolt if you try to illegally cross into the US.
New York Times:
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Saturday that part of his immigration policy would be to build an electrified fence on the countrys border with Mexico that could kill people trying to enter the country illegally.
The remarks, which came at two campaign rallies in Tennessee as part of a barnstorming bus tour across the state, drew loud cheers from crowds of several hundred people at each rally. At the second stop, in Harriman, Tenn., Mr. Cain added that he also would consider using military troops with real guns and real bullets on the border to stop illegal immigration.
It is not the first time that Mr. Cain has floated the idea of an electrified fence. He has told the story many times of a caller to his former radio show who chastised him for talking about building a border fence, saying that such an idea was impractical. Mr. Cain often says he told the caller that he had recently returned from China, and if the Chinese could build the Great Wall then America could build a border fence.
Before we assume that Herman Cain’s suggestion will cause Democrats or even select Republicans to throw even more scorn in his direction, I’d suggest this: Cain could win over many of them simply by saying that in his border plan, the fence would be electrified with power provided by solar panels the government purchased from stimulus-backed green energy companies.
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Plan number one sounds pretty good to me. Drill, baby, drill. Mine, baby, mine. Cut, baby, cut!!
come on Cain is just making the point that you can’t be afraid to use whatever means you have at your disposal to secure the border.
i doubt he literally intends to build a continent wide electrical fence.
Near Clausthal Zellerfeld, West Germany, I saw a fence like the one Cain wants, in 1982.
Best I’ve heard yet!!! :)
Perry, on the other hand, doesn't seem to want to go there at all.
So what is the plan to get Perry over 10% in the polls?
I am liking the energy President, Mr. Perry. More money is will be sent to him! We need to develop our resources and I don’t care what anybody else says but I do know that IT’S THE SPENDING STUPID! .....and We definitely don’t need a national sales tax......
Omigosh. Cain proposes a fence that would kill people trying to cross over.
I guess there are people around here who would be fine with that.
Cain should never have said that aloud. Never.
He would never get 30% of the black vote and now, he may get zero percent of the Mexican vote.
I hope Perry can get some mojo back with his energy plan.
I like Cain but he has no cash to beat Romney. Perry is the only one that stands between Romney and the nomination.
Love it! Love it! Love it!
I was looking for a picture of an electric fence in the middle of the Rio Grande River, but the one you have will do just fine!
“Before we assume that Herman Cains suggestion will cause Democrats or even select Republicans to throw even more scorn in his direction, Id suggest this: Cain could win over many of them simply by saying that in his border plan, the fence would be electrified with power provided by solar panels the government purchased from stimulus-backed green energy companies.”
Good one. lol
I’m glad you were seeing it from the West German side.
I’d like to trace these proposals to the original speeches.
This creates a grand opening for Rand Paul who for a while has been preaching that any fence that can keep Mexicans out can also keep Americans in. The fence would not care if you are coming or going, or for that matter if you’re a migratory critter (EPA will probably throw a giant monkey wrench at this one). I expect it’s not too long before this gets toned back to “one in a list of possibilities.”
How can you say that Perry doesn’t want to go there?
Perry has spent tons of Texas money. He’s pleaded for a little help from Washington. Obama hates Perry and he hates Texas. He wouldn’t give us a dime for border control.
Perry has a plan. Unfortunately, it doesn’t involve an electrified fence that would kill people trying to cross.
It is a multi-faceted plan, involving some fencing, modern technology, drones and boots on the border.
Cain’s plans are so simple. 9-9-9 Zap the intruders.
Does he even have a clue?
It was a boneheaded thing to say if you want to appeal to a wide base of support, that’s for sure. He’s scheduled to be on Meet The Press tomorrow, he’s bound to be asked about it.
To be a devil’s advocate, can a kinder gentler Perry fence be everywhere and catch everybody, at least those who do not approach with sophisticated tools? Would Perry be comfortable with human-operated robo-guns?
No to, electrify, electrify, electrify.
Yes to more fences, more BP agents and more high tech hardware.
If you say so.
But that ain’t what he said.
If Perry actually wants a combined approach: a wall and boots on the ground, then I will give him credit for that. But from what I have seen, he talks about boots on the ground a lot, and a wall very little.
Before the hubbub starts, I’d sure like to know what he originally said, and if that was his idea for the whole darn thing or just parts of it or just tossed out for consideration? We’ve been through this kind of brouhaha before.
“Omigosh. Cain proposes a fence that would kill people trying to cross over. I guess there are people around here who would be fine with that.”
I would be one of those people who are “fine with that”. All I have to do is consider what the Founding Fathers, signers of the Declaration Of Independence, and war veterans lost — up to an including their lives. The illegals crossing over have no regard or respect for this country.
> Who did the GOP Establishment push into the race after it seem Tea Party heroine Bachmann was going to upset Romneys ride to the nomination?
Who does the GOP Establishment see as their back up card if Romney fails?
Who has long standing intimate ties with the Liberal wing of the GOP Establishment?
The answer is Rick Perry.
Bill Kristol to a NY Time Reporter telling him how the GOP Establishment plans to deal with the Tea party mutiny
Kristol told me just after Perry entered the race, a development that essentially ended [the more radical Michele] Bachmanns brief ascent. Establishment Republicans may prefer Romney to Perry, but their assumption is that either man can be counted on to steer the party back toward the broad center next fall, effectively disarming the Tea Party mutiny.
Wonder who Perry will be VP with?
Odd how that question never gets asked of Perry.
Could it be because everyone knows Perry is the GOP Establishment mole in the race to split the Tea Party/Conservative vote and hand the nomination to Romney?
Could it be because they know the ticket the GOP Machine is setting up is Romney/Perry 2012? Think about it. Romney has the money, Perry has the idolatrous worship from the social Conservatives.
Could that be why the Perry camp is knowingly lying about Cains solidly Conservative record on both social and fiscal issues? Because they know full well Perrys record can not stand close scrutiny?
What does anyone really know about Perry other then the nice words and platitudes he puts in his speeches? Looks like Perry is just Bush 3.0 another tough talking social conservative who will go to DC and be yet another good little GOP crony capitalist water boy.
I am so for this drill, baby, drill thing.
Think of what it would do for us.
Create tons of jobs.
Free us from dependence on the middle east. I would love for those countries to have to peddle sand.
Lower energy costs.
There’s just no downside.
Rand Paul did not say that, Ron Paul did.
Also, given that Mexico isn’t a prison yard, getting resources to sabotage these fences would not be all that hard. Basically some kind of good ground and a cable.
Ok, ok, Ron Paul
Herman Cain has a empowerment (entitlement) zone written into his 999 plan? RINO all the way if you ask me! How is that conservative?
He scoffs because, well, he lives in Texas. He’s actually been to the border. He’s seen the border.
Has Cain seen it?
Has Romney seen it?
He dismisses the idea of saying, ‘build a fence,’ because it’s far more complicated than that.
That doesn’t mean he dismisses the idea of securing the border. That’s a big leap for you to make.
Of course, we could put out land mines.
“Does he even have a clue?”
More so than Perry who likes giving illegal alien kids in-state tuition which only encourages MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Perry is the energy Presidential candidate and that is what we need! Cain is the 999 gimmicky tax Presidential candidate with empowerment (entitlement) zones! Not what we need right now!
You may regret making that post when you wake up sober in the morning.
No elected president would build a fence across that huge distance. All that money spent, and they’d just dig under it. Perry is just being honest about it.
What happens, like clockwork, is that when OPEC gets wind of serious US oil production, they cut OPEC’s price down, down, down. This cheapens world oil to the point that all the oil production in the US is stalled. Some kind of subsidized drilling would really be needed, so that OPEC cannot bust it out of existence and it would be ready to go when the SHTF in the middle east.
Could you please get over that. It’s been explained over and over again. The entire cost is negligible. It was passed 11 years ago by an almost unanimous bi-partisan legislature.
If that’s all you got, get out of the way.
Oh, and electrify a fence.
Overall then, you would say that Perry is the strongest and most serious candidate on the issue of dealing with illegal immigration?
He regrets nothing. Same for #26.
About 9-10 years ago I posted a reply in jest saying that we should put machine guns on the border. That post was pulled, immediately.
Oh gag me. Drill drill drill but don’t be heartless.
Perry would say drill, drill, drill. Just as both Palin and Cain have already said. And that would be great, great, great for jobs. I’m glad to see Perry join the Cain train on energy.
But unfortunately for Mr. Perry, he would have those jobs, jobs, jobs, go to illegal, illegal, illegals. I am one who would have no problem with putting troops with live ammunition on the border assisted by electrified fence to make sure that does not happen.
Perry’s welcoming arms will only bring in more illegals, terrorists, and drug cartels. Cain’s open use of arms will seriously deter them. It is great that someone finally realizes our border is not a joke. Ricky La Raza could learn something from Herman Cain.
People would rather hear flim flam than honesty.
30 foot fence, 31 foot ladders or tunnels.
It’s gonna take something more sophisticated.
Or you could go simple, electric fence (kinda hard across the Big River, but we’ll work that out later) and land mines.