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Herman Cain's immigration plan includes moats with alligators (The REAL story)
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Posted on 10/15/2011 7:12:09 PM PDT by Marie

Herman Cain's immigration plan includes moats with alligators

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiO2VjbDLaA

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain (jokingly) tells a crowd in Council Bluffs, IA that his immigration plan would include moats with alligators.


TOPICS: Government; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; humor; newyorkslimes; outofproportion
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To: Marie

To tell you the truth, I say no, this is not the best plan. It is the simple, lower the taxes, cut the spending and create more tax payers by creating more jobs. We were a strong country at one time and we can do it again. Of course, that is JMHO


51 posted on 10/15/2011 8:02:35 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: Marie
Apparently Liberals don't have a sense of humor.

Libs get high off their own stench.

52 posted on 10/15/2011 8:03:58 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: ari-freedom

Perry is the energy President! He came out with part 1 yesterday.


53 posted on 10/15/2011 8:04:50 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: fireman15

What discourages me are all of the able-bodied, adult, FREE, ‘conservative’, Americans who can’t look crap up for themselves on the internet. It seems like half of the people here can’t be bothered to do the amount of research that a twelve year old would devote to a paper on bugs. They absorb rumor and innuendo (unless they don’t want to), then continue to spout the same crap a hundred times without ever once checking their facts.

What discourages me are all of the ‘conservatives’ who scream, cry and balk about paying taxes. They squeal like Liberals if they might have to pay a dime.

What discourages me are the ‘conservatives’ who don’t realize that they’re already paying tons of taxes hidden in the retail price of every item they buy, but holler to the moon when they might actually SEE the same amount of tax on a receipt and flatly REFUSE to accept that IT’S ALREADY THERE.

What discourages me are the ‘conservatives’ who lie and twist words to suit their agenda.

What discourages me are the ‘conservatives’ who throw conservative principles like keeping immigration LEGAL, not rewarding law-breakers, property rights and parental rights under the bus without a qualm, then bash conservative-based tax system.

What discourages me are the ‘conservatives’ who’d rather cling to a corrupt, wasteful, economy-killing tax system rather than to try something new and simple if there is the slightest chance that *they* might be out a dime.

There’s much more that discourages me, but that’s a start.


54 posted on 10/15/2011 8:06:09 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: sickoflibs

Sounds like a plan you would propose.


55 posted on 10/15/2011 8:06:28 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: ari-freedom

Not sure if he has a specific plan nor should he have one other than a desire to simplify and reduce taxes. He has said he favors a flat tax or fair tax. At least he does not favor both. :-)

I like Perry except on immigration where he continues to tick me off. I like Cain’s electric fence idea

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/perry-backs-radical-national-sales-tax-plan-to-starve-federal-government.php


56 posted on 10/15/2011 8:07:39 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Hugin
"I don't believe that would ever happen."

So lets just suspend any revenue collection to pay our troops while they are getting the whole sales tax thing working efficiently. All we who support the FairTax heard from the naysayers was that we can't make the sudden change and keep thing like military paychecks running smoothly (like they were ever that, as a vet myself) along with other enumerated power responsibilities.

So now that someone comes along with a plan to make that transition, we have you now saying you want just the opposite. This is a one time deal, just a better way of making a smoother transition from the monster that was created over a very long time.

The other part of making it a reality is to primary out those career politicians whose oxes would be gored in the process of bringing this to a reality. This is our government and it is our responsibility to clean up what we have allowed it to manifest itself into by being lazy about keeping our representatives accountable.

57 posted on 10/15/2011 8:09:25 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Marie
The NY Slimes are making it into something that it's not.

And the Perrywinkles are more than willing to help out.

Yup on both. But then both are becoming more desperate by the day.

58 posted on 10/15/2011 8:09:25 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: sickoflibs
I like him, but being cute and clever without solid backing of what it would take bothers me. Let us not forget all the discussions during the early GWB years on this issue.
The huge amount of money it would take to actually construct such a wall. China built a huge rock wall that took a very long of time of time. And lets face it. In that time there where not explosives available to destroy portions of it. The moat of alligators... alligators caught in the immediate blast zones would have little effect from trucks loaded with cartel folks who just blew up say two or three hundred yards of fence and simply drove their trucks through.
And there are few in Congress and elsewhere to reposition the required number of Army and Marines returning from say the Iraqi conflict along a permanent boarder patrol zone, along with the whole array of drones, choppers, fixed wing piloted planes, etc.. If this was all so easy to accomplish along a thousand plus mile border, it would have already been budgeted for and accomplished. I remember many discussions here six years ago on this very issue. And it went no where. And let us not forget about the over 400 million thus far the state of Texas has forked out in order to tried to at least work toward a more secure border. So again. The head shots and foot shots by these folks will continue.
59 posted on 10/15/2011 8:09:53 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: lahargis

That’s why we need to complete this part of the Reagan revolution.


60 posted on 10/15/2011 8:10:35 PM PDT by ari-freedom ("Perry: good governor. Romney: Good hair."-Herman Cain)
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To: lahargis

“To tell you the truth, I say no, this is not the best plan. It is the simple, lower the taxes, cut the spending and create more tax payers by creating more jobs. We were a strong country at one time and we can do it again. Of course, that is JMHO”

Cain wants to do these things, too.

(He also wants to kill our 80,000 page tax code, secure our borders, encourage legal immigration of immigrants that will actually contribute to our society, deregulate EVERYTHING, restructure social security to stop it from being a Ponzi scheme and turn it into an actual investment program for retirement, repair the damage Obama’s done to our military...)

If people would do their own homework rather than wait for the media to spoon-feed them, they’d find out that there’s more to Cain’s plan than 999.

Cain is trying to save SS before it collapses. Get jobs going. Drop the price of energy (yes, Cain was for ‘drill baby drill’ long before Perry put out his one-dimensional plan). Bring in LEGAL, productive immigrants who will help bear the burden of our 3.5 million Boomers retiring every year.

And much more.


61 posted on 10/15/2011 8:10:41 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: org.whodat

What we need is deregulation and more refineries, both are part of the plan.


62 posted on 10/15/2011 8:10:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: lahargis

“Perry is the energy President! He came out with part 1 yesterday.”

and how will that change the tax code?


63 posted on 10/15/2011 8:11:17 PM PDT by ari-freedom ("Perry: good governor. Romney: Good hair."-Herman Cain)
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To: reaganaut
RE :”Sounds like a plan you would propose.

Hi, I havent heard from you in a while.

I heard that other guy wants to build colleges on the border so we can turn those coming over into productive taxpayers. He 'has a heart'.

Cain does good in front on a camera. He shows confidence.

64 posted on 10/15/2011 8:12:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Marie

I wasn’t being lazy. LOL! I just didn’t see much if any difference between what Cain said and Perry’s position.


65 posted on 10/15/2011 8:13:45 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Marie
LOL he must have read one of my posts, that was my idea, and the pit bulls patrolling the inner fence. Hungry pit bulls, big and hungry pit bulls.....There is a breeder of pits that has them up to 150 pounds..saw his web site. Those dogs would eat the alligators without a fence between them...

So you would have razor wire fence, then an alligator moat, another fence and the pit bulls, then a high fence so none of them could get out....problem solved....(just joking)

66 posted on 10/15/2011 8:17:11 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: ari-freedom

I am sure he won’t add an additional tax like the national sales tax and additional entitlements like the empowerment zones. Just think of the forms, people and resources it will take to report the national sales tax.


67 posted on 10/15/2011 8:31:44 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: Marie

Here you go Marie. Sorry I didn’t see your request earlier.

From another thread

Marie — It is a tongue-in-cheek statement, hyperbole, that emphasizes that he believes in strong border security. When he says it in a speech, it kills.

Marie — His serious position on border security is that it is the federal responsibility and that the border must be physically secured with many different means to meet the challenges of various terrains.


Marie, you might have just figured it out. By making statements like this, he is almost assured of being asked about it during the next debate! It makes sure that he gets some air time! Then he can present his real views! :)

Secure the border with more boots on the ground
I do believe we can secure the border with a combination of boots on the ground, technology, and a fence, but we’ve got three other problems. And to get to it, we’ve got to secure the border.

Secondly, let’s promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We don’t need a new one, we just need to clean up the bureaucracy that’s slowing the process down and discouraging people.

The third thing we need to do, enforce the laws that are there, and the way we do it, empower the states. I believe that the people closest to the problem are the best ones to be able to solve that problem. Empower the states to do what the federal government hasn’t done, can’t do, and won’t do. This is how we solve the entire problem.
Source: 2011 GOP debate in Simi Valley CA at the Reagan Library , Sep 7, 2011

We have a path to citizenship: it’s called legal immigration
Q: When Pres. Obama joked about protecting the borders with alligators and a moat, not only did you embrace the idea, you upped the ante with “a 20-foot barbed wire electrified fence.” Were you serious?

A: America has got to learn how to take a joke. But allow me to give you my real solution to the immigration problem. I happen to believe that is four problems.

Yes, we must secure the border with whatever means necessary.
Enforce the laws that are there.
Promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We have a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. It’s called legal immigration.
And then, I happen to agree with empowering the states and allow them to deal with that issue. If we work on the right problem, we will be able to solve it.

And in the case of immigration, we’ve got four problems that we need to work on simultaneously. We can have high fences and wide open doors, all at the same time.
Source: Iowa Straw Poll 2011 GOP debate in Ames Iowa , Aug 11, 2011

Not right to sue Arizona for trying to protect themselves
I want to share with you my three guiding principles so you know what type of leader I will be. Three of my guiding principles that have guided my life; guided the decisions I made when I was running companies; and guided my family.

Guiding principle #1: Do the right thing. It was not right to sue the state of Arizona when they were simply trying to protect themselves. You will always be able to count on Herman Cain to do what is right.
Guiding principle #2: We have got to lead this nation from an entitlement society to an empowerment society, by getting government out of the way. We’ve got to empower states to do what states do best: to solve the people’s problems at the state level. Empowerment, not entitlement
Guiding principle #3: It’s not about us. We have to defend the life of the unborn. We must defend those principles that this nation was founded upon.

Source: 2011 Faith and Freedom Conference , Jun 4, 2011

Secure our borders; enforce our laws
Americans have embraced their role as the world’s premier “melting pot,” welcoming immigrants from every corner of the planet. We readily learn about other cultures, customs and beliefs. We appreciate those who are willing to come to this country and mak America a more vibrant and enriched place.

Americans do resent, however, the willingness of some to circumvent our laws and enter our nation illegally. While many, if not most, illegal immigrants are peaceful people simply seeking to provide for their families, some are not. In fact, some are quite dangerous, jeopardizing the safety and well-being of American citizens.

Illegal immigration also puts a tremendous strain on America’s entitlement and health care systems. In fact, several hospitals in the U.S. have declared bankruptcy as a result of the costs of caring for illegal immigrants.

We must secure our borders, enforce our laws and promote the existing path to citizenship.ÿ
Source: Campaign website, www.hermancain.com/ “Issues” , May 21, 2011

Where’s the fence? Not in the Immigration Bill!
The Comprehensive Immigration Bill debated in the Senate last week was dead on arrival. Most regular folks kept screaming, “Where’s the fence?”

The Immigration Bill was supposed to be good compromise legislation. It is just bad legislation with different agendas glued together, while not emphasizing enough of the public’s number one priority - the fence! Not just wire, wood and concrete, but all the technologies we have available to stop the rampant inflow of illegal aliens into this country.
Source: Political column, THE New Voice, “Immigration Bill” , Jun 11, 2007


68 posted on 10/15/2011 8:40:07 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: lahargis

So I take it you support the 16th amendment?


69 posted on 10/15/2011 8:44:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom ("Perry: good governor. Romney: Good hair."-Herman Cain)
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To: Netizen

Thanks, Netizen.


70 posted on 10/15/2011 8:47:41 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: sickoflibs

Sadly, you are gonna hear less of me, I’m leaving on Monday for 6 weeks at the ranch and no internet except when I visit my inlaws. :(

Just remember while I am gone, you are still demented. ;)

Hold the fort down for me and keep kickin’ arse.


71 posted on 10/15/2011 9:03:18 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: reaganaut; mrreaganaut
RE :”Just remember while I am gone, you are still demented. ;)

Hey, that was delusional, how did I move up to demented?

I still think she will run. This is just another huge ‘head fake’. When she finally announces it will catch them all by surprise. She will run an unconventional grass roots campaign and take the country by storm. Millions of boots will be on the ground starting day 1. This will be a 50 state landslide.

Now does that earn demented??? :)

72 posted on 10/15/2011 9:13:36 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Marie
Cain wants to secure the border (with many different methods in order to accommodate the assorted terrains), get out of the state’s way when they pass laws that inhibit illegal immigration and simplify and expand the programs that allow LEGAL immigration.

Close the back door. Open the front. Allow people to come in who want to participate in and contribute to our society.

That has been Perry's plan since the beginning. The only difference is that Perry wants to make useful citizens of the people that the FEDERAL government has dumped into his state.( with NO chance of deportation thanks to the FEDERAL government)

73 posted on 10/15/2011 9:16:30 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: sickoflibs; mrreaganaut

It almost does earn demented and you are correct it was delusional originally.

Play nice with hubby while I am gone, he will still be around.


74 posted on 10/15/2011 9:25:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: ari-freedom
and does anyone know Perry's plan?

I think he's going to introduce it on October 25th.

75 posted on 10/15/2011 9:30:12 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: reaganaut

Just read your tag line. Cracking up!


76 posted on 10/15/2011 9:31:34 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Marie

You know Marie, it makes you wonder sometimes. Some people would rather give ‘entitlements’ to illegals, than allow for ‘empowerment zones’ that would help to revitalize poverty stricken areas, with jobs, thus reducing welfare and unemployment.


77 posted on 10/15/2011 9:37:24 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Marie

Based on what is in another post many posters here who like Romney or Perry don’t have a sense of humor either. Many of them are blasting Cain for even suggesting such a thing.


78 posted on 10/15/2011 9:44:04 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: smoothsailing
It’s humor, stop your whining.

That's laughable coming from a poster that immediately rises to the defense of Rick "Open-Borders" Perry at every imagined slight.

Pot, meet Kettle.
79 posted on 10/15/2011 10:38:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: sickoflibs; Dengar01; fieldmarshaldj

I wish it wasn’t just a joke!! Sounds like a nice idea. Those Florida gators need to explore the culinary delights of the southwest. :-D


80 posted on 10/16/2011 12:10:06 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: lahargis
The only part that is a joke is the alligator/moat part. The electric fence is for real. Google it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfpU19hWfM

81 posted on 10/16/2011 4:05:31 AM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: smoothsailing
Plan, warmed over meaningless uneconomical sludge is not a plan. How many wells have been drilled in the united states in the past two years. How many, you can bet someone will ask cat whipped perry. He better have an answer. The next question is, why did that number not turn the economy around. What number will turn the economy around, and where are all the extra jobs from all of that drilling. Deer caught in the headlights, look number 5.
82 posted on 10/16/2011 4:07:55 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: cripplecreek

” There better be frickin laser beams on somebody’s heads.”

Not an injudicious idea....


83 posted on 10/16/2011 5:50:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Netizen
You know Marie, it makes you wonder sometimes. Some people would rather give ‘entitlements’ to illegals, than allow for ‘empowerment zones’ that would help to revitalize poverty stricken areas, with jobs, thus reducing welfare and unemployment.

THAT needed to be said again!

84 posted on 10/16/2011 6:01:19 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Irish Eyes

Why do Perry people want to give entitlements to illegal aliens, but hat the idea of ‘empowerment zones’ that would help to revitalize poverty stricken areas, with jobs, thus reducing welfare and unemployment.

So it’s alright to give breaks to illegal aliens, BUT NOT OUR OWN PEOPLE?!


85 posted on 10/16/2011 6:06:26 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Marie
There’s much more that discourages me, but that’s a start.

You were definitely on a roll about being discouraged, and I agree with you on every point and thank you for your posts. However when I watch Herman Cain speak I feel encouraged and all that discouraging stuff doesn't really seem to amount to much. He is a positive person with a strong belief in himself and the United States of America and the real American Dream. His message can't help but bring a smile.

86 posted on 10/16/2011 8:52:13 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Marie

That’s just flat out not true. Because someone supports a candidate, including Perry, they would not sabotage another. At least most wouldn’t. There’s probably some who like to call names and say damaging things who would.


87 posted on 10/16/2011 9:13:05 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Marie

We should all be wearing the T-shirt that proclaims
F*** you if you can’t take a joke


88 posted on 10/16/2011 10:47:39 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Marie
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So it’s alright to give breaks to illegal aliens, BUT NOT OUR OWN PEOPLE?!

Wake up and then you can wake up the Federal Government.

The Federal Governments job is to secure the borders. States can not deport or even ask for papers to prove citizenship. Texas is doing the best it can to make the best of a problem that the Federal Government has DUMPED in it's lap.

89 posted on 10/16/2011 11:54:30 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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