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Cain goes right after Romney in heated campaign
The Boston Herald ^ | Sunday, October 16, 2011 | Hillary Chabot

Posted on 10/15/2011 10:13:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat

A pumped-up Herman Cain is promising a rock ’em, sock ’em takedown of Republican presidential rival Mitt Romney, saying he’s already got the Bay State governor on the run and can deliver a knockout at Tuesday night’s debate because voters “can’t get excited about (Romney’s) leadership.”

“He got a little defensive last time, so he knows Herman is going to come after him,” Cain said during a phone interview with the Herald yesterday. “We are in a contest here. We are in a battle.”

Cain, who has surged to the front of the crowded Republican presidential pack, already locked on to Romney during a debate at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., last week. The former Godfather’s Pizza CEO asked Romney to name all of the 59 points in his economic recovery plan.

Romney struck back, telling Cain that sometimes “simple answers are inadequate.”

Cain said the unsatisfying response was “snippy and dismissive,” and said he will push Romney on his overly complex 160-page plan again at an upcoming debate in Nevada.

“I’m going after Romney only on his economic plan because that’s where he is a little weak,” Cain said. “I think it kind of caught him off guard a little bit. The problem with his 59-point plan is you’re talking about something that’s never going to pass.”

Cain’s Republican rivals have made the same charge against the Georgian’s famous 9-9-9 plan, which would eliminate different tax rates and implement a flat 9 percent tax on corporations, incomes, and sales. Voters in states where there is no sales tax, such as New Hampshire, would reject a sudden 9 percent hike, argued former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, another Republican presidential candidate.

“They are making an invalid comparison,” said Cain of the criticism. “It is a replacement tax for...

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1 posted on 10/15/2011 10:13:16 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

This can’t be right! Why Cain and Mitt are in a conspiracy together! Cain wins the nomination and then hands it to Mitt.


2 posted on 10/15/2011 10:14:53 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Republican Wildcat
Cain said. “I think it kind of caught him off guard a little bit. The problem with his 59-point plan is you’re talking about something that’s never going to pass.”

That was a dumb thing to say Hermann when a NRST is a very tough sell, either in Congress or the SCOTUS.

3 posted on 10/15/2011 10:17:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: Kartographer
I suppose that's the new narrative. Cain will win in a blowout, then give all his delegates to Romney at the convention! They were in cahoots all along!!!! Image and video hosting by TinyPic
4 posted on 10/15/2011 10:17:25 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: Kartographer

Yeah, Cain is only going after Romney for having a “too detailed” plan.

All of Romney’s flip-flopping and liberal positions somehow aren’t worthy of Herman’s notice.


5 posted on 10/15/2011 10:18:24 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Republican Wildcat

This is encouraging. I wasn’t comfortable with his comments that made it sound like he was interested in being Romney’s (or anybody’s) VP pick. You want to know Cain (and each of them) is in it to win. When all the votes are cast, if Cain ends up as someone else’s VP pick, that’s fine, but you sure don’t want to hear that before the caucuses/primaries even start.


6 posted on 10/15/2011 10:18:30 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S, TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: RitaOK; Impy; sickoflibs

Just like the last debate...still waiting...


7 posted on 10/15/2011 10:20:20 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: 9YearLurker

I know, clearly Cains plan is to win the nomination and then hand it to Mitt.


8 posted on 10/15/2011 10:20:55 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: PAConservative1

Yawn.

Until Cain goes after Romney for being a RINO good ol’ boy country club Republican weasel, what’s the point?

Those two can compare economic plans all they want, but somebody needs to point out that Romney is too damn liberal for to be the nominee.

Romney = McCain ‘08 all over again.


9 posted on 10/15/2011 10:21:35 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: 9YearLurker

More smoke:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793447/posts


10 posted on 10/15/2011 10:22:08 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Republican Wildcat
Oh please, last time he said that he was going after Romney in the last debate and he did nothing of any real or strong attack.

I noticed that Cain the TALKERS refers to himself a lot in the third person which is really stupid.

11 posted on 10/15/2011 10:22:24 PM PDT by jgge
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To: Republican Wildcat

Q20 If the Republican race for President came down to Mitt Romney and Hermain Cain, who would you vote for?

Herman Cain................................................... 48%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 36%
Not sure .......................................................... 16%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/cain-leads-romney-by-eight-nationally-perry-in-4th.html


12 posted on 10/15/2011 10:23:09 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Kartographer

At any rate, Gov. Perry drops out (and so do others), as I see it, and as this critical shift starts, it is up to Cain to really focus in on Mitt Romney from his Conservative/Tea Party Wing de-facto leadership position, and vanquish the RINO Establishment and Mitts but good. There is a lot of debate and TV script/narrative material that can be used to knock Mitt out of the top tier for this nomination, even if the slick RINO-in-Chief thinks he can buy this thing outright or reel it in the boat on the strength of big name GOP establishment types’ endorsements alone. The Base will coalesce and revolt anyway, 1980 style, Herman Cain will be the perfect stalking horse to take down Mitt politically in the late autumn and winter. You heard it here first; some of these other people saying or intimating (without a shred of evidence) that some kind of collusion existed or exists between Mr. Cain and Gov. Romney I think needed to have their heads examined.


13 posted on 10/15/2011 10:24:20 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain will be the nominee of the GOP! The momentum is unmistakeable. The Dems/RINOs hate it.)
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To: M1911A1

Conservatives already know Romney is too sleazy, liberal, and untrustworthy. That’s why after 4 years of running for President, he still only has 25% of the vote (RINO wing) and establishment cash to show for it.


14 posted on 10/15/2011 10:24:49 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: Kartographer

IF Cain had to bow out, who do you think he would endorse?


15 posted on 10/15/2011 10:25:15 PM PDT by make no mistake
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To: 9YearLurker

Ref. your Post #5: I’ve observed Herman Cain tries to stay about the fray and dwell on specific issues rather than personal attacks. But, your point is well taken, my friend.


16 posted on 10/15/2011 10:25:49 PM PDT by no dems (The HERMANator in 2012 !)
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To: make no mistake

Thats a big If, Not sure admittedly he did support Mitt in the past and he doesn’t think Perry has what it takes, Maybe Newt.

Now when Perry bows out who do you think he will back? And if you say Cain I’ll know you are full of it.


17 posted on 10/15/2011 10:28:13 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: no dems

Bachmann has stayed “above the fray” re: Romney as well.


18 posted on 10/15/2011 10:28:27 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Well?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793448/posts


19 posted on 10/15/2011 10:29:34 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: no dems

Oh, and Cain is my choice from among the alternatives as well.

The real issue is a GOP too corrupt to let voters make a real choice.


20 posted on 10/15/2011 10:29:43 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kartographer

That’s still pretty mild and doesn’t address that Romney is a flip-flopping, craven weasel.


21 posted on 10/15/2011 10:31:01 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: M1911A1

Hey PA Conservative,
Great minds think alike! I’ve been begging the Cain team to take off the gloves RE: Romney and his RINO policies.

I send an e-mail with every $10 donation..I can only hope one will get their attention


22 posted on 10/15/2011 10:31:19 PM PDT by Cookies4ever
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To: GOPsterinMA; RitaOK; Impy

Thanks for the ping, I am waiting too...


23 posted on 10/15/2011 10:31:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Kartographer

“I’m going after Romney only on his economic plan because that’s where he is a little weak,” Cain said”

This is a “big attack” on Romney? That his economic plan is “a little weak” and that is the only thing he can think of attacking him on? How about global warming, just for starters?

This attack and the other about “Romney is not a staunch conservative” are about as vicious, as when a two-day old kitten “attacks” you, really ferociously.


24 posted on 10/15/2011 10:47:47 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“some of these other people saying or intimating (without a shred of evidence) that some kind of collusion existed or exists between Mr. Cain and Gov. Romney “

What do you mean “without any evidence”.

This feeble “attack” itself is evidence. All Cain can say is that Romney’s economic plan is “a little weak” and that is the only thing he can think to criticize him about? And Cain himself said that he would be willing to be anyone’s VP, but not Perry’s — well, who else is there, except Romney? Cain is clearly Romney’s surrogate — Cain attacked Perry, even said he couldn’t even support him in the general election, but can’t manage to say anything negative about Romney. In another article the worst Cain could say is that Romney is “not a staunch conservative”.

Romney was also pushing Cain — he is happy if people vote for himself OR CAIN — precisely because Cain is there to split the conservative vote to help Romney.

And where do you think all the talk of Romney/Cain is coming from too?

How much more evidence do you need?!


25 posted on 10/15/2011 10:54:43 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: 9YearLurker

Uh, he did. Just yesterday. Where you been?


26 posted on 10/15/2011 10:58:49 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Clairity

None of that is accurate.


27 posted on 10/15/2011 11:15:39 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Knowing full well Cain was in the race well before Perry ever was or anyone even knew Perry might be interested in running, the Perry supporters continue with the narrative that Cain is the race to siphon votes away from Perry. Nevermind the fact that Romney is being complimentary to other conservative candidates to try to split us into multiple camps - you notice the softball question he threw to Bachmann in the last debate in order to give her an opportunity to speak at length in an obvious attempt to siphon at least a few points off of Herman Cain who is nipping at his heals (otherwise his decision to ask his question of Bachmann makes no sense). The Perry supporters are as a bad as the Paul supporters anymore.


28 posted on 10/15/2011 11:19:51 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Antoninus

Cain’s been trying to get the message out for the last week that he’s taking on Romney. In fact, he’s now talking up how tough he’s going to be on him , the way he said he’d be tough on him in the last debate.

So it’s pretty obvious he’s got to at least look like he’s swinging a few punches, even though he never really lands a blow.


29 posted on 10/15/2011 11:19:58 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kartographer

No, I’m not full of it. He would not endorse Cain for sure. I thinking maybe he would endorse Newt. Time will tell.


30 posted on 10/15/2011 11:32:51 PM PDT by make no mistake
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To: Kartographer

“This can’t be right! Why Cain and Mitt are in a conspiracy together!”

LOL, LOL!!!!


31 posted on 10/15/2011 11:36:57 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kartographer

32 posted on 10/16/2011 12:25:13 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: make no mistake

If Perry had to bow out, who do you think he would endorse?


33 posted on 10/16/2011 12:28:07 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Romney talks fast, uses up a lot of words, and says nothing.


34 posted on 10/16/2011 12:55:04 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Clairity

Response not even dignified. How DARE you!?


35 posted on 10/16/2011 2:18:15 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain will be the nominee of the GOP! The momentum is unmistakeable. The Dems/RINOs hate it.)
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To: Republican Wildcat; Meet the New Boss; Netizen; AmericanInTokyo

Romney had slick brochures by the Niagara in 2008.

Robocalls-a-plenty from Michelle Bachmann.

No one takes a better photo than Rick Perry.

Yet the best chords have been struck in the stump speeches of the man without portfolio.

Plain as Cain: peace through strength; kumbaya is not a strategy.

Homosexuality is a choice and a sin.

The occupying folks should move their protest to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Romney at last has no more message than a tail fin, a shirt logo, a yellow bracelet.

Obama and Wright and Ayers are taking it to the streets and from there to Hell.

Mr. Cain aims to lead the push of the shining city back up on the hill where it belongs.

Just how did he get over.

Just how is it he's not one giving the hard look and the "watchoo doon awn mah shtreet"--

A, B, C: American, Black, Conservative.


36 posted on 10/16/2011 2:41:00 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Kartographer

Any Cain supporter who doesn’t recognize that Cain’s 999 has some elements that need adjusting and others that need more detail, then you are setting Cain up for failure in the general election.

Obama will go after Cain on Cain’s plan causing an increase in taxes for most of the middle and lower class.

It’s going to happen. There is time to adjust if someone just listens.


37 posted on 10/16/2011 4:35:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: 9YearLurker

I believe you owe flip-flopping craven weasels an apology for comparing them to Romney.


38 posted on 10/16/2011 5:04:50 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Obama 2011: "Let them eat peas")
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To: Republican Wildcat
My two cents on Mr. Cain’s economic proposals:

The "tyranny of the status quo" says if you're going to do implement a major change, likely to be met with fierce resistance, you do it quickly in the first 100 days or so in office. Reagan and Obama both understood this, especially Reagan because he had a hostile majority in Congress. Obama had a little more time because he had a leftist-friendly Congress.

Getting a law quickly is the key – implementing the law can be gradual. The key is to get the bill passed in the first 100 days and it must have a new flat sales tax AND complete elimination of income tax and all other taxes and most of the IRS. Implementation would of course be time-phased but it must concurrently phase in sales tax and phase out income tax and most of the IRS.

Failure to enact a law that BOTH abolishes income tax and most of the IRS AND creates a sales tax raises the spectre of getting stuck crossing the river after passing only a sales tax bill and drowning with BOTH federal sales tax and income tax - a Socialist’s dream. Implementation of course would be a concurrent phase-in and phase-out. Failure to have BOTH in the bill risks a parade of horribles.

He also seems to be missing a spending cut feature which I think he’ll need to sell this huge and essential tax cut. He might want to take a page out of Reagan's book and hire the best business minds to come to DC and noodle this and then come up with a sound proposal - shouldn't be difficult to see tremendous slashes in pure government waste.

That should all be Phase I. From there, maybe he can start pecking away at useless Cabinet departments.

39 posted on 10/16/2011 5:54:11 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Republican Wildcat

Complex answers lead to 2000 page bills with all sorts of hidden crap that costs we taxpayers billions.


40 posted on 10/16/2011 6:12:31 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Get ready for an aberration of epic proportions! - Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Cain is not attacking in a way and manner that would help Perry. THAT is the crux of why Perry folks say “he’s a plant for Romney.”

It’s Cains’ campaign, he’ll run it in a way that helps him, thank you very much. It’s worked thus far and quite well.


41 posted on 10/16/2011 6:42:13 AM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: 9YearLurker

“Bachmann has stayed “above the fray”

BS, Bachmann destroyed her chances with her hysteria on Gardisil and retardation.


42 posted on 10/16/2011 6:47:06 AM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: M1911A1; 9YearLurker

Cain: Romney not a ‘staunch conservative’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793447/posts

“I don’t think he’s a staunch conservative because he’s changed his position on too many things over the years. The other thing is, if you just look at Romneycare in Massachusetts, no matter how much he tries to pretend that it was supposed to be good for Massachusetts, a conservative would never have signed that Romneycare legislation in Massachusetts.”

How’s that?


43 posted on 10/16/2011 6:55:35 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Grunthor

That is, if you had read what I was responding to, Bachmann has kept “above the fray” in the same way Cain has: kid gloves for Romney, brass knuckles for, for example, Perry. (Though Perry is an incredibly easy target himself.)

Remember, Cain said he wouldn’t serve on a Perry ticket.


44 posted on 10/16/2011 6:56:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Free Vulcan

Pretty tepid.


45 posted on 10/16/2011 6:56:53 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Free Vulcan; 9YearLurker
“I don’t think he’s a staunch conservative because he’s changed his position on too many things over the years. The other thing is, if you just look at Romneycare in Massachusetts, no matter how much he tries to pretend that it was supposed to be good for Massachusetts, a conservative would never have signed that Romneycare legislation in Massachusetts.”

Yep, It's obvious Cain is in the tank for Romney, just another stalking horse to keep Perry from his rightful place.........

46 posted on 10/16/2011 7:03:10 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t care whose ticket Cain would serve on or not. Frankly, I can’t see him as VP to anyone. I think Romney would ask Newt, I think Perry would ask Romney.

Or maybe Rudy.


47 posted on 10/16/2011 7:05:09 AM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: 9YearLurker

Try actually reading the article not just the headline.


48 posted on 10/16/2011 7:13:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 9YearLurker

Who got in the race last after it was clear Romney was not going to get any appreciable support from social conservatives?

Who did the GOP Establishment push into the race after it seem Tea Party heroine Bachmann was going to upset Romney’s ride to the nomination?

Who does the GOP Establishment see as their back up card if Romney fails?

Who has long standing intimate ties with the Liberal wing of the GOP Establishment?

The answer is Rick Perry.

Bill Kristol to a NY Time Reporter telling him how the GOP Establishment plans to deal with “the Tea party mutiny”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2792217/posts?page=3

Kristol told me just after Perry entered the race, a development that essentially ended [the more radical Michele] Bachmann’s brief ascent. Establishment Republicans may prefer Romney to Perry, but their assumption is that either man can be counted on to steer the party back toward the broad center next fall, effectively disarming the Tea Party mutiny.

Wonder who Perry will be VP with?

Odd how that question never gets asked of Perry.

Could it be because everyone knows Perry is the GOP Establishment mole in the race to split the Tea Party/Conservative vote and hand the nomination to Romney?

Could it be because they know the ticket the GOP Machine is setting up is “Romney/Perry 2012? Think about it. Romney has the money, Perry has the idolatrous worship from the social Conservatives.

Could that be why the Perry camp is knowingly lying about Cain’s solidly Conservative record on both social and fiscal issues? Because they know full well Perry’s record can not stand close scrutiny?

What does anyone really know about Perry other then the nice words and platitudes he puts in his speeches? Looks like Perry is just Bush 3.0 another tough talking social conservative who will go to DC and be yet another good little GOP crony capitalist water boy.


49 posted on 10/16/2011 7:16:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Clairity
Instead of running back to PerryHQ to find out the next lie you are to post about Cain, how about you finally ANSWER the questions?

Who got in the race last after it was clear Romney was not going to get any appreciable support from social conservatives?

Who did the GOP Establishment push into the race after it seem Tea Party heroine Bachmann was going to upset Romney’s ride to the nomination?

Who does the GOP Establishment see as their back up card if Romney fails?

Who has long standing intimate ties with the Liberal wing of the GOP Establishment?

The answer is Rick Perry.

Bill Kristol to a NY Time Reporter telling him how the GOP Establishment plans to deal with “the Tea party mutiny”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2792217/posts?page=3

Kristol told me just after Perry entered the race, a development that essentially ended [the more radical Michele] Bachmann’s brief ascent. Establishment Republicans may prefer Romney to Perry, but their assumption is that either man can be counted on to steer the party back toward the broad center next fall, effectively disarming the Tea Party mutiny.

Wonder who Perry will be VP with?

Odd how that question never gets asked of Perry.

Could it be because everyone knows Perry is the GOP Establishment mole in the race to split the Tea Party/Conservative vote and hand the nomination to Romney?

Could it be because they know the ticket the GOP Machine is setting up is “Romney/Perry 2012? Think about it. Romney has the money, Perry has the idolatrous worship from the social Conservatives.

Could that be why the Perry camp is knowingly lying about Cain’s solidly Conservative record on both social and fiscal issues? Because they know full well Perry’s record can not stand close scrutiny?

What does anyone really know about Perry other then the nice words and platitudes he puts in his speeches? Looks like Perry is just Bush 3.0 another tough talking social conservative who will go to DC and be yet another good little GOP crony capitalist water boy.

50 posted on 10/16/2011 7:18:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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