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Border drug war: Is it really out of control? (Perry's effort to secure the border)
Star Telegram ^ | Oct 16, 2011 | Dave Montgomery

Posted on 10/15/2011 11:07:03 PM PDT by Clairity

Aerial surveillance missions such as this one are part of Gov. Rick Perry's multifaceted law enforcement effort, which has operated along Texas' portion of the 2,000-mile-long U.S.-Mexico border for five years.

Unique to Texas, and put in place because of what Perry said was inadequate enforcement by the federal government, the operation is designed to marshal the forces of dozens of state, federal and local entities in a cooperative "boots-on-the ground" offensive in border counties.

The Republican governor has repeatedly cited the law enforcement effort as a display piece in his presidential campaign, while warning that drug violence from Mexico presents "a clear and present danger" to the United States.

The governor's critics accuse the Republican presidential candidate of fear-mongering to score political points and question the value of the law enforcement operation, which has cost more than $400 million since it started in 2006. Even those who live and work along the border differ on the intensity of the threat and whether spillover violence is real or imagined.

A recent report commissioned by Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples and DPS Director Steve McCraw, both Perry allies, presents an ominous assessment, saying that Mexican cartels seek to establish a one-county-deep zone inside the Texas border to serve as a point to distribute drugs farther north.

The Obama administration, as well as Texas Democrats in Congress, say that conditions along the border are far more secure than the depiction by Perry and his supporters. In a speech this month, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said that "security along the U.S. border with Mexico is at an apex, and, indeed, those who live and work along it say it is safe and open for business."

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
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Perry has a record of trying to secure the border, ever since he's been governor of Texas -- since the Feds do nothing, just ignore the problem. He understands the problem and knows what needs to be done -- more of what he started.

Unlike People who spout "fence, fence", "electrified fence", without having any understanding of the problem and what it really takes.

1 posted on 10/15/2011 11:07:11 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: shield

Perry ping


2 posted on 10/15/2011 11:07:40 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

Perry’s record:

http://governor.state.tx.us/initiatives/border/

Governing Principle

There can be no homeland security without border security, and there can be no higher priority than protecting our citizens.

While our focus begins with preventing the worst of the violence currently raging in northern Mexico from spilling over into the United States, the violence is only part of the destruction that can result from a porous border. The free flow of drugs, weapons and people resulting from inadequate security can undercut economic development, education and trade. As such, they can hurt Texas families in every way imaginable, from loss of jobs to the loss of family members to addiction, imprisonment or death.

Border security is a federal responsibility but a Texas problem, and Texas has invested hundreds of millions of state dollars in efforts to support and supplement security forces already in place. Still, this is a problem that will only be solved with more federal accountability and involvement.

Highlights

— Starting in 2005 with Operation Linebacker, the state has sought to provide funding, manpower and equipment to local law enforcement agencies operating along the Texas-Mexico border.

— The state’s latest operation, Border Star, builds on the successes of previous operations with unprecedented local, state and federal law enforcement coordination. With the assistance of the 80th and 81st Legislatures, the State of Texas has been able to appropriate more than $110 million each session to fund and amplify these efforts.

— In response to a rising tide of gang violence in Texas communities, the Governor allocated $4 million in criminal justice grants to cities across the state to increase patrols of gang hotspots. In 2009, Gov. Perry worked to secure more than $10 million in state funding for enhanced anti-gang efforts during the 2010-11 biennium.

— In September 2009, Gov. Perry announced the formation of highly-skilled Ranger Recon Teams — which include Texas Rangers, Texas National Guard Counterdrug forces, Highway Patrol and DPS Aviation assets — in order to address threats building in the unincorporated areas along the Texas-Mexico border.

— Since early 2009, Gov. Perry has repeatedly called on Washington to authorize the deployment of 1,000 Title 32 National Guard soldiers to the Texas-Mexico border to support border security operations currently underway. (see letter to President Obama, letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and request to Defense Secretary Gates)

— Gov. Perry has also recommended an expeditious deployment of unmanned aerial vehicles to provide real-time surveillance and intelligence to law enforcement on the ground.


3 posted on 10/15/2011 11:10:49 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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And before I get the mantra of "fence, fence".

Look at this - - drug smugglers build tunnels, MANY tunnels

Mexico Drugs Smuggling: Tunnel Found Under US Border By ... news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15302712 - United Kingdom Jun 12, 2009 – A huge drug smuggling tunnel discovered on the US-Mexico border is one of the most sophisticated the authorities have seen.

Mexican drug smugglers tunnel into parking spaces in Arizona town Daily Mail - 1 day ago They have found tunnels at metered parking spots in the town on International Street, just yards from the border fence. Drug runners would park their cars ...

Drug tunnel found under US-Mexico border - ABC News (Australian ... www.abc.net.au/news/2009.../drug-tunnel...mexico-border/1167440 Dec 3, 2009 – Mexican authorities have uncovered a 300-metre cross-border tunnel and arrested a dozen people working inside, the US Drug Enforcement ...

etc., etc., see original link for list

4 posted on 10/15/2011 11:15:10 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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5 posted on 10/15/2011 11:15:27 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity

The only thing to stop millions of illegals walking across the border is a double wall fence with electronic sensors in between, and armed guards to monitor the sensors. The fact is whatever Perry is doing is not working.


6 posted on 10/15/2011 11:18:31 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: Clairity
Texas Border Security---A Strategic Military Assessment---Commissioned by Governor Perry September 2011
7 posted on 10/15/2011 11:21:00 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity

Tunnels take very long time to construct. Most tunnels get discovered. 99% of illegals do not come via tunnels.


8 posted on 10/15/2011 11:21:34 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: federal__reserve

Perry doesn’t have all the resouces, it is a job for the Feds. Perry asked for National Guard Troops from Obama, who wouldn’t even take Perry’s letter and refused to have a meeting with him on the subject.

Perry had done and is doing more to secure the border than any of the other governors of border states, and certainly more than the clueless other GOP candidates, who speak in slogans, without knowing what it really takes to secure the border.


9 posted on 10/15/2011 11:23:31 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

Militarize the southern border, that’s the only option now. We can do it in Korea, why can’t we do it here? It won’t happen because too much money is changing hands by keeping the border open, and too many influential contributing parties stand a lot to lose by shutting down the border to illegal trafficking.


10 posted on 10/15/2011 11:24:38 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: federal__reserve

Exactly. I don’t get the “if it won’t stop every single illegal immigrant, we might as well do nothing.” There’s no way we’re EVER gonna stop ALL illegal immigrants, some are going to find a way no matter what we do. The fact of the matter is a physical and virtual fence with armed guards will stop 95%+ of illegal immigrants.


11 posted on 10/15/2011 11:24:42 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: factoryrat

The US -Mexico border is “just a bit” longer than the border between N and S Korea. But indeed, as Perry wants to do, it takes “boots on the ground” to secure it. Unmanned walls and fences are useless.


12 posted on 10/15/2011 11:27:22 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity
Yes, that Jan Brewer, what a slouch!
13 posted on 10/15/2011 11:27:28 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Clairity
DPS (Texas) Warns Parents that Cartels Recruiting High School Students
14 posted on 10/15/2011 11:30:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: OddLane

We are talking about SECURING the border so they can’t get in, not trying to make every US citizen into an immigration enforcement agent, which doesn’t work.


15 posted on 10/15/2011 11:32:20 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

The “Perry is for Open Borders” people here on FR aren’t gonna like this article, Clairity.


16 posted on 10/15/2011 11:41:56 PM PDT by Texan
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To: Clairity
Results matter.

To say that Perry has done more to secure the border than Governor Susanna Martinez, let along Jan Brewer, is patently absurd.

17 posted on 10/15/2011 11:41:59 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Clairity
Federal Illegal Alien Tip Line 1-866-347-2423
18 posted on 10/15/2011 11:42:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: federal__reserve

LaRaza Ricky does not WANT it to work! His crony pals who employ and enjoy all of the ILLEGAL cheap labor he allows are fine with the way things are! Little Ricky Perrynista is every bit as bad as Mitt or Paul. How so many are fooled by this fraud is really a case.


19 posted on 10/15/2011 11:44:33 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Clairity
This is a CBS News article from last year.

An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona. A Department of Homeland Security report on illegal immigrants estimates Arizona's illegal immigrant population peaked in 2008 at 560,000, and a year later dipped to 460,000.

20 posted on 10/15/2011 11:45:02 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Clairity

Good luck, (seriously) to Governor Perry.

His unfortunate words “you don’t have a heart” seem to have stuck with conservatives, who have been beaten over the head by liberals with that very invective for decades.

His fall from a front runner status has no where to go but up, if he can articulate his new economic plan and do tough, serious talking on the border issues.


21 posted on 10/16/2011 12:10:14 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR so, support it! Compiling New Sarah Palin Ping List! Tell me if you want on it!)
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To: Texan

“The “Perry is for Open Borders” people here on FR aren’t gonna like this article, Clairity.”

It’s obvious, when one presents them facts, they disappear into the woodwork. Then reappear on other Perry threads on other topics and continue their lies about “open borders Perry”. That makes it very clear that they couldn’t care less about really securing the border, they just use that lie to attack Perry.

It makes one wonder what their real agenda is, securing the border is clearly not one of them.


22 posted on 10/16/2011 1:00:49 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: OddLane

I said SECURING the border. Other governors passed laws, trying to make everyone in the state into an immigration enforcement officer, but have done NOTHING to actually SECURE the border to keep them from coming in to begin with.

Perry should be hailed as a hero for taking on border security. All the other laws are just ineffectual attempts and don’t adress the root of the problem: keeping people from coming in illegally in the first place.


23 posted on 10/16/2011 1:04:27 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: onyx

Perry doesn’t just talk, he has a strong border security RECORD.

And as for his “heartless” comment, for which he already apologized — do the conservative who feel so offended — dump their friends, relatives, spouse, children, etc. if ever they say ONE word to them that they don’t like, regardless of everything else?

Claiming Perry is not suitable for being president because he said one word that they didn’t like is rather disingenous.

Let’s ignore his pro-small government, pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, anti-tax, anti-regulation, pro-border security record, because he had some sympathy for children of illegals, and allowed them — ten year ago — to PAY in-state tuition.


24 posted on 10/16/2011 1:14:20 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

His words stuck. No amount of arguing with ME is going to change that.

I met the governor. He spent a lot of time with me. I like him. He even took the picture of us together.


25 posted on 10/16/2011 1:18:28 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR so, support it! Compiling New Sarah Palin Ping List! Tell me if you want on it!)
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To: Clairity

That is some article.

The magnitude of the problem does not fit a sound-bite.

Gov. Perry’s policy speech on this will be good — expansive and well thought out — it will be attacked by the MSM, Dems and Obama who say everything is just fine.

Thanks for the post. That article is a valuable resource.


26 posted on 10/16/2011 1:21:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Clairity

How many miles of triple tiered barbed wire topped electrified cyclone fencing with concrete dragon’s teeth, punctuated by machine gun towers with overlapping fields of fire would $400 million buy?


27 posted on 10/16/2011 1:51:18 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Clairity
That's not the root of the problem, it's a symptom.

The reason there are 20 million illegal aliens living here is because incentives exist for them to remain, primarily jobs and the fact that they will never be deported once they make it across our border.

In the wake of 9/11, when we stepped up immigration enforcement against Middle Easterners (and only Middle Easterners), the largest group of illegals from that part of the world -- Pakistanis -- fled the country in droves to avoid being caught up in the dragnet. In 2002, the Social Security Administration sent out almost a million "no-match" letters to employers who had filed W-2s with information that was inconsistent with SSA records. The effort was so successful at exposing illegal aliens that business and advocacy groups organized to stop it and won a 90 percent reduction in the number of letters to be sent out.

28 posted on 10/16/2011 2:56:09 AM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Clairity
Perry has a long record at a career democrap politician, voting for algore, supporting cronyism and hugging illegals, all the time he was cat whipped daily. Did I leave anything out.
29 posted on 10/16/2011 4:16:02 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: onyx
He has no economic plan, this crap that we have not been drilling oil and gas wells as fast as possible is a lie. Dang we have drilled thousands of wells the last couple of years. Obummer will shove this not drilling BS up someones butt. Look the numbers up.
30 posted on 10/16/2011 4:21:11 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: onyx

He has no economic plan, this crap that we have not been drilling oil and gas wells as fast as possible is a lie. Dang we have drilled thousands of wells the last couple of years. Obummer will shove this not drilling BS up someones butt. Look the numbers up. This one story from may, do not think doofus perry had a plan back then. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/05/three-thousand-new-oil-wells-be-drilled-texas-within-year


31 posted on 10/16/2011 4:23:47 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Clairity

Tunnels are an issue in some areas on the border- but tunnels cannot be built in many areas. The ground has to be right for tunneling and near me bedrock is not far and between caliche, bedrock, and sand it would be a major task for them to tunnel.

The thing is a fence works great in some areas, not so great in others. I personally think we need a fence on the border even in areas of tunnels. The worst area for tunneling is in Arizona- Nogales and Douglas especially and there is a fence already there for the most part. If nothing else it keeps the Mexican Army from being able to “wander” in and claim they didn’t know they crossed the border. I can see where it would be hard to fence Texas because of the river but each area has to do something to at least designate the border so there is no question where it is.

Not to long ago the majority of the border was a barb wire cattle fence and was falling down in many places. It was too easy for smugglers and even Mexican authorities to claim they were not illegally entering- they just “didn’t know” where the border was. A fence at least designates boundary- that is a big deal all on its own.


32 posted on 10/16/2011 4:43:42 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Clairity

I know you want to defend Perry on all issues, especially the border- but Texas has a major problem East of El Paso- Hudspeth County and that whole area is out of control. I am close enough to get the word on what is going on there and there is no pretending that the area is in control of anyone but the cartels. I have no idea what a good solution would be for that area- but it has been ignored for the most part for many years.

Perry plays both sides of the border issues- panders to those that want open borders while at the same time claiming to be tough on the issues. He is not alone, President Bush and John McCain both did the same thing. The reason I got so angry at Perry for insinuating that those of us serious on the border issues are racist and heartless is because it is a political trick of those that play both sides use to distance themselves from “radicals” like me that want the border secure and laws enforced. President Bush called us vigalantes and racist; McCain claimed we wouldn’t do the work the illegals do. It’s all BS, and I am fed up with it.

I was just getting interested in Perry when he came out with the “heartless” crap and it just proved to me when it comes to the border he is just another politician and not serious about doing anything but play both sides for votes and not rock the boat. Real hard to get my vote after insulting me.

No one is going to win or lose on just the border issues alone. Candidates like Perry should know that those of us that are serious about the border issues do not want to vote for someone that will insult us just to play to the other side. He would have been far better off to have explained his actions better and been straight about what he intends to do to work on securing the border. I knew he was not really hard core on the border and was still interested in knowing more about him. I doubt we will ever have a candidate that is really tough on the border issues, or that one could get elected. I am willing to put up with differences of opinion on how to handle the border but not willing to support someone that is pandering to the open borders supporters.


33 posted on 10/16/2011 5:21:07 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Clairity

So the democraps and the “community activist” say there is no problem on the border. Everything is copacetic.
That’s all I have to hear to know the border is messed up.
Obviously, Perry hasn’t secured anything which is why there is a problem there. I agree it isn’t the duty of state govt. None the less, if Perry is going to claim credit then he can take the criticism as well.


34 posted on 10/16/2011 6:38:38 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Clairity
Other governors passed laws, trying to make everyone in the state into an immigration enforcement officer, but have done NOTHING to actually SECURE the border to keep them from coming in to begin with.

Illegals come here because there are incentives which make it worth while: free education (even subsidized college education, thanks to your "hero" Perry), free medical treatment, and jobs. As long as there are incentives, they will come, regardless of fences, boots on the ground, etc.

Your man Perry is against proven ways to reduce incentives, like E-Verify. He was for the Trans-Texas Corridor, which would have made it even easier to smuggle aliens deep into the country. He openly panders to La Raza and even the Muslim jihadist outfit CAIR.

Perry makes excuses, blaming everything on the Feds, while AZ and AL take action.

35 posted on 10/16/2011 6:54:34 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Clairity; Liz
...and question the value of the law enforcement operation, which has cost (Texas) more than $400 million since it started in 2006.

$400M:
+ the millions in in-state college tuition subsidizing illegal alien children
+ the millions in taxes NOT paid by illegals working "in the shadows"
+ the millions in additional wages NOT paid to American workers because of illegal alien labor undercutting the job market
+ the millions in various social services consumed by illegal aliens

Attempting to secure the border while waiving the enticement of in-state college tuition for your children makes no sense - outside of Texas anyway.

36 posted on 10/16/2011 6:57:31 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Clairity

Having been down to that part of the country three or four times in the past eight years, visiting Big Bend National Park and other parts of the southwest, I don’t envy anyone trying to cover that huge area. We’ve been right on the Rio Grande waving at people from the other side. There’s security forces here and there, but I’d say it would be pretty difficult to effectively cover that area without a lot more.


37 posted on 10/16/2011 7:55:57 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: DTogo; hellbender; Scotsman will be Free; South40; caww; stephenjohnbanker; TADSLOS; AuntB; ...

Perry is in desperation mode-—everything so far has decimated his numbers. Trotting the wife out as a political prop bombed even as Perry dumbly commented that he “agreed” with her whining.

Perry’s raised the stakes in his “confidence game”-—saying anything to keep his dead candidacy alive. Perry snatches numbers out of thin air, pastes on that confident grin and pitches the con to voters...sounds a lot like Madoff connning his marks.

As FReeper DTogo points out-—none of Perry’s figures add up.

He’s too dense to realize that trying to sell his cockamamie border plan to those he called “heartless” is useless.


38 posted on 10/16/2011 8:00:24 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Clairity
Unmanned walls and fences are useless.

Exactly. That's why Cains plan of soldiers with real guns and real bullets to back up the electric fence is so appealling to the law abiding.

The American people have been hungry for someone with a bold plan, and Cain is the man who has it.

39 posted on 10/16/2011 8:18:45 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Liz; DTogo; hellbender; Scotsman will be Free; South40; caww; TADSLOS; AuntB

” As FReeper DTogo points out-—none of Perry’s figures add up.

He’s too dense to realize that trying to sell his cockamamie border plan to those he called “heartless” is useless.”

Even with 150 million, he won’t last long......


40 posted on 10/16/2011 10:53:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Clairity
And before I get the mantra of "fence, fence". Look at this - - drug smugglers build tunnels, MANY tunnels

I am surprised you did not trot out the "11 foot ladder" argument too. You know the one where open borders types say that if you build a 10 foot fence the bad guys will use 11 foot ladders.

Well, both are, as they say on the border, caca. No one is saying that we are going to get a 100% seal of the border. But, you ignore several facts.

First, there is a huge difference in the rate of illegal entries between the situation now, even in Texas, and a guarded fence. And this is the difference between the total chaos and lawlessness that we now have and a livable result.

Second, as I stated the fence will also be guarded. Yes, the bad guys can build tunnels but those can be detected and a h*ll of lot less will go through those than just driving or walking across the border like happens now.

Finally, anti-fence types like you need to explain the effectiveness of the Israeli fence, which has effectively stopped the almost daily suicide murderers attacks in Israel.
41 posted on 10/16/2011 11:06:46 AM PDT by fifedom
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To: fifedom

Surveillance and “boots on the ground” is what Perry advocates. THAT is what is effective, and if you have that, you don’t need the fence. The fence by itself is not effective, only if it’s “guarded”, as you say. If you guard the border, you don’t need a fence.

The Rio Grande serves as a barrier — some want the US to relinquish it to Mexico, by putting a fence on the US part, denying us to access to the water — how stupid is that?


42 posted on 10/16/2011 11:14:05 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: driftless2

“There’s security forces here and there, but I’d say it would be pretty difficult to effectively cover that area without a lot more.”

That’s why Perry asked Obama for more National Guard troops, and Obama refused to even accept the letter and refused to meet with Perry to discuss it. Perry handed the letter to some Obama staffer when Obama was at the airport.

It is the Federal government’s responsibility to secure the border. Perry, as president, would secure the border, because he is the only one of the candidates who really understands the problem and how to solve it.


43 posted on 10/16/2011 11:18:41 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“That’s why Cains plan of soldiers with real guns and real bullets to back up the electric fence is so appealling to the law abiding. “

Sure, let’s promise something that sounds tough, but totally unworkable and the gullible conservatives will follow you like lemmings.

Cain is becoming a caricature of a conservatives and a snake oil salesman.


44 posted on 10/16/2011 11:20:51 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: DTogo

“and question the value of the law enforcement operation, which has cost (Texas) more than $400 million since it started in 2006.”

1. Where is the SOURCE of your number?

2. What fraction of the Texas budget is this?


45 posted on 10/16/2011 11:53:05 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity
Sure, let’s promise something that sounds tough, but totally unworkable and the gullible conservatives will follow you like lemmings

It's only unworkable if Establishment Republicans, which it appears you are one, have a say on how it's implemented.

That method has proven effective for thousands of years, and all around the world.

Ignorance is an ugly thing.

46 posted on 10/16/2011 11:57:17 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Clairity
The fence by itself is not effective, only if it’s “guarded”, as you say. If you guard the border, you don’t need a fence.

You are wrong. The Israelis tried just troops on the border and the bombers got through. We need a combination of a physical barrier and personnel.

some want the US to relinquish it to Mexico, by putting a fence on the US part, denying us to access to the water — how stupid is that?

Again you are trotting out a straw man argument. It is easy to allow farmers and ranchers to access the water without having a totally unfenced and unguarded border where anyone that wades across has a clear shot into the US heartland.
47 posted on 10/16/2011 12:07:49 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: stephenjohnbanker; DTogo; hellbender; caww; TADSLOS; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; South40; org.whodat; ..

There’s no rhyme nor reason to anything Perry does on the campaign trail.

If (BIG IF) he did have this fix-it border plan, why did it take him weeks, four failed debates, several print and TV interviews.....to mention it?

He’s so into himself, he’s completely clueless WRT to the American electorate’s priorities.

This guy flys by the seat of his pants-—like a practiced con artist. He says and does as little as possible——whatever he can get away with.

His supporters claim he’s still believable? Hey, it works in Texas. All he has to do is look like the Marlboro Man, mouth a few platitudes about “secession” and he’s assured of reelection.

Perry’s campaign theme song in Texas is “Stand By Your Man.” ROTFL.

Now, out in the Real World, the more visible Perry gets on the 2012 hustings—the more you know he’s hiding plenty below the radar.


48 posted on 10/16/2011 1:13:19 PM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz
When your campaign rhetoric and your real record don't align, you are then forced into a 17 M dollar SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, escape) scenario with a host of supporters to provide cover and concealment.

Rick is now in survivor mode, hoping to dodge and weave his way through the primary process with lift provided from campaign cash and his choir continually singing his praises.

49 posted on 10/16/2011 1:37:50 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: TADSLOS
Ricardo's campaign rhetoric and real record don't align....he's been forced into a $17M dollar SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, escape) scenario....hoping to dodge and weave his way through the primary process with lift provided from campaign cash and his choir continually singing his praises.

N-i-c-e take.

Rick saying he "raised" $17 million is so phony---note that he cunningly used a figure that was just a tad over Romney's pickup.

Ricardo came into the race with millions and millions of dollars. He has three PACs that we know of---could be many many more.

He promised Texas voters that if they reelected him he would not run for president----AT THE SAME TIME he was raising $55 million for the 2012 race----from one PAC alone.

He still can't grasp he's in the real world now---that there are people outside Texas who have taken the measure of the man and found him grossly lacking in presidential qualities.

50 posted on 10/17/2011 6:21:26 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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