Posted on 10/16/2011 9:20:33 AM PDT by Steelfish
San Francisco Restaurants Propose Standard 25 Per Cent Tip Restaurants in San Francisco have angered customers by proposing to make a 25 per cent tip standard with meals.
According to a recent survey San Francisco diners are the worst tippers in America Photo: ALAMY By Nick Allen
Most diners in the United States currently give a voluntary tip of between 15 and 20 per cent depending on the service and the quality of the food. But the new measure, which is reportedly supported by high class eateries, would be mandatory.
According to a recent survey San Francisco diners are the worst tippers in America.
They give an average of 18.6 per cent of the cost of their meal, which placed them bottom of the list alongside residents in Seattle. Customers have reacted badly to the proposal for 25 per cent tipping, saying it would lead to sloppy service and that restaurants are being greedy.
Mike Alexander of Antioch near San Francisco, told the Contra Costa Times: "They have to be kidding. The whole purpose of a tip is to reward service.
"If the price is dictated it's not a tip. If they're serious they'll meet a lot of resistance. It seems like everyone is trying to squeeze another buck out of us." Customer Candel Garcia told the newspaper: "If they try it, people will vote with their feet. Tips should be earned, not expected. I usually tip 10 per cent or 15 per cent, which I think is fair."
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Sounds like a plan to get put out of business to me.
What--liberals are deadbeats with their own money? Gee, Who'd'a guessed?
If it is mandatory it is not a tip, its part of the price.
Call it a price hike, that is what it is.
Restaurants?
I hope it passes. It will be nice to see liberalism go full bore, and collapse on itself. Only then will these idiot voters change their votes.
Crappy stats with a goal of a Leftwing union deal.
I tip according to service. I used to wait tables, so I’m usually very generous, but if the service stinks, forget it. If tipping is mandatory, expect crappy service.
According to a recent survey San Francisco diners are the worst tippers in America.
They give an average of 18.6 per cent of the cost of their meal, which placed them bottom of the list alongside residents in Seattle.
Um... I'm a bit confused. If most diners in America give between 15 and 20% tip, and San Franciscans give an average of 18.6%, how does that make them the worst tippers in America?
A 25% tip is just wage subsidization. Kinda cool when your servers make good money and stay on the job because you pay minimum wage and your patrons kick in the rest.
People will go to places that do not require such practices. the economy sucks. businesss suffers already why squash any customer you have.
on the other hand. the waitresses are taxed on a % of sales for their tips. is it fair they get taxed on money they did not earn?
25% extra payment for bad service and attitude. I don’t see anything positive coming from this government intervention of free trade.
The traffic in San Francisco is a serious deterrent. Who wants to fight that and everything else when it's so easy to get out of the city for a nice restaurant or anything else.
When I lived in San Francisco, I told my wife: "I can get anything in the world I want here, but it'll take me all day to go and get it." We left.
Here in The Middle of Nowhere I can still get anything in the world I want--through the internet. It comes to ME! And no traffic! No panhandlers! No feces-covered sidewalks! No druggies! No San Francisco morons! I LOVE IT HERE!
Detroit is the future of San Francisco.
The traffic in San Francisco is a serious deterrent. Who wants to fight that and everything else when it's so easy to get out of the city for a nice restaurant or anything else.
When I lived in San Francisco, I told my wife: "I can get anything in the world I want here, but it'll take me all day to go and get it." We left.
Here in The Middle of Nowhere I can still get anything in the world I want--through the internet. It comes to ME! And no traffic! No panhandlers! No feces-covered sidewalks! No druggies! No San Francisco morons! I LOVE IT HERE!
Detroit is the future of San Francisco.
Spot on on all accounts.
This is just oink oink greedy. California already requires that restaurants pay waiters above the national minimum wage, exclusive of tips. I’ll be sure never to eat in a restaurant in SF or anywhere else that includes what is supposed to be a gratuity as a 25% charge in a bill.
A second thought: As the economy has worsened and gas prices have skyrocketed, we have had to make budgetary changes. The biggest one was less eating out. I admit that when money wasn’t so tight, we used to eat out a lot, a couple of times a week. Now, it is down to once a month. Twice maybe if we have a special occasion. So if they were to implement this here, it would be even less. Why are businesses doing this to themselves? Eating out is probably the one expense people are most willing to dump in tough times, so why give anyone another reason?
Tips are generally not legally enforceable, even if the restaurant claims it’s mandatory. The customer is generally not legally obligated to pay the tip.
“A 25% tip is just wage subsidization. Kinda cool when your servers make good money and stay on the job because you pay minimum wage and your patrons kick in the rest”
Dead on
Next step for SanFran: mandating residents that they MUST patronize restaurants, and how often, based on their incomes.
Yeah baby.
Here’s an idea. Take some of San Francisco’s city tax money and send a check to everyone in the US outside of San Francisco. Then, everyone will want to go to San Francisco to thank them!
If an individual restaurant wishes to charge a mandatory 25% tip, that’s their prerogative. The market will decide whether or not it’s a wise decision.
To mandate such tips via legislation is absurd, but it is San Francisco we’re speaking of.
We have to make a day trip to San Francisco. I think we will be carrying some sandwiches in our cooler.
Question: would this apply to all restaurants in the city, including fast food? If it doesn’t, how do they define fast food? There are some places that are kind of “borderline”, after all.
The idea of being required to tip 25% at McDonald’s is just surreal.
“Um... I’m a bit confused. If most diners in America give between 15 and 20% tip, and San Franciscans give an average of 18.6%, how does that make them the worst tippers in America?”
Prood reading is dead these days. I can only suggest he should have dropped the “1”
The moonbats in San Francisco are at it again. In other news, the sun came up this morning.
And I’m the worst at it hahahah “Proof”
Even when times were good, we hardly ever ate out. Service everywhere has suffered, the foods nowadays aren’t THAT special unless you’re at a high end place. All the places we used to go to changed their menus and got rid of, or cheapened up, the dishes we liked. Even on off times service was slow. And we’re good cooks so we spend the money on good ingredients.
The 25% tip is only applied to people that have been circumcised.
Instead of tips, the government should subsidize waiters with a living wage, paid for by a special tax on the rich.
Yeah! Stingy liberals...shouldn’t they be tipping enough so these poor service people can make an honest “living wage”? Seems to me they should be tipping at least 100%.
I agree with you. Not that it is an excuse, but between hubby’s crazy schedule and my retail one, we just go lazy. But I am a good cook, and now that I’ve gotten back into the habit, I realize I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it. And this summer, we started trying to grow our own produce, and I intend to grow even more next year. I’m ashamed that I allowed my family to fall back on restaurants so much. It just became a horrible, lazy habit. Heck, between less eating out and more having to find free or cheaper entertainment, I have lost 60 pounds and still counting. So it’s a win/win for me and the family.
So is proofreading. But I know a good many periodicals that could stand some professional prood reading.
Here’s a tip:
Get a better job!
.20 x 19.43 as % = $3.89
Must be that fuzzy lieberal math on that receipt 'calculates' with as 'deemed necessary'.
Oh goody! Time to buy a restaurant in San Jose or San Rafael. Maybe both to catch customers going in and coming out.
But then again, with the business climate in that state, why make the effort? I could probably do much better in Pahrump, Nevada.
25% of a really seriously overpriced meal is just abusing a customer. The lower tip percentage in San Francisco is probably just a bit of common sense (even there) that an inflated bottom line shouldn’t translate into the server getting paid twice as much for the same amount of work that they would get at a more reasonably priced place.
Not a good idea ...
Might as well start “taxing” Tea Parties.
Why should we even tip anymore? Didn’t San Fran Nan and her ethically pure majority congress back in 2007-2010 impose the ‘living wage minimal pay hike’ on entreprenuers so that all restaurant workers can make it their career forever? We already tip with the prices raised on purchases. Thanks Rats for driving up prices and downing business with less jobs too.
Nope it is not fair, in fact I would say it is unconstitutional and am surprised someone hasn't taken it to the Supremes yet. However, that is between the workers and the government and it is not up to me to supply them with money so they can actually earn the money they are required to claim as tips. I believe they have to claim 15% tips whether they actually receive them or not.
Such small thinking will doom America. If somebody can afford to eat out, then they can well afford to give an equal amount, i.e., 100% tip, to the heroic proletarian serving them. Fair is fair. You would think the people of San Francisco would know this.
Even a measly smallish greasy hamburger, fries and a drink at a fast food chain these days costs about $7.00 and sometimes the quality is just awful. Kinda like the chicken teriyaki bowls at Jack but the staff are all mexicans here locally and I have to always ask for the sauce packets. Time to spend my dinero$ elsewhere.
If it is mandatory it is not a tip, its part of the price.
“...If tipping is mandatory, expect crappy service...”
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An equal outcome for good service or bad service.
Those who excel in society must be punished.
You can’t create civil unrest if people have jobs. What a better way to kill several types of businesses than to kill restaurants. Once the people are unemployed they will demand jobs from the very people that killed their old one.
I usually calculate 25% of the subtotal to cover both taxes and gratuity. If the tax rate is over 7% - Well, tough beans!
Last time I dined in SF, I noticed that there was a “health care” fee added to my tab. I have to confess that my tip (after deducting the fee) was somewhat less than 5 percent.
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