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Herman Cain defends '9-9-9' tax plan on 'Meet the Press'
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 16, 2011 | Brian Bennett

Posted on 10/16/2011 11:50:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain tested the national spotlight Sunday as the Republican presidential primary’s newest front-runner.

Facing tough questions during a 25-minute one-on-one interview on NBC’s "Meet the Press," Cain acknowledged that his plan to simplify the tax code would raise taxes for “some” people and clarified his position that he doesn’t believe abortion should be an option in instances of rape and incest.

Scrapping the current federal tax code — which he described as a “10-million-word mess” — would eliminate a host of invisible taxes and eventually reduce prices, Cain said.

Some economists have pointed out that Cain’s plan would shift the tax burden further from the rich to the poor and middle class.

"Some people will pay more. But most people will pay less," said the former Godfather’s Pizza executive and a former chairman of the board of directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City when pressed by host David Gregory about the effects of his tax plan.

Cain said the biggest appeal of his plan is its simplicity. The plan calls for a 9% personal income tax, a 9% corporate tax, and a 9% federal sales tax.

Video game enthusiasts have pointed out that Cain’s plan is the same tax schedule used in the computer game SimCity 4.

When asked how he would get the "9-9-9" plan through Congress, Cain said he would drum up public support.

“The American people understand it and are going to demand it,” he said.

Citing the simplicity of his positions and his conservative credentials, Cain said he doesn’t think his front-runner status will peter out like other GOP candidates who surged in the polls only to fade away earlier this year.

“I don't think Herman Cain will be a flavor of the week," he said.

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1 posted on 10/16/2011 11:50:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How about let’s watch the actual interview than the LIBERAL MEDIA spin?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/44921014#44921014

I think it is interesting how much some of you seem to enjoy carrying the liberal media’s talking points over here to FR.


2 posted on 10/16/2011 11:53:04 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s what happens when the tax burden is spread more fairly, some will have to pony up.


3 posted on 10/16/2011 11:53:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Cain said the biggest appeal of his plan is its simplicity. Video game enthusiasts have pointed out that Cain’s plan is the same tax schedule used in the computer game SimCity 4."

LOL...that game is anything but simplistic! Much more stat heavier and cpu resource intensive than earlier games (and understandably prettier). Problem is, where has this plan been implemented before, with success, other than in SimCity 4?

4 posted on 10/16/2011 11:56:39 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I hate to spam Threads but people need to really think about this.

The reason why Obama won in 2008 is because he co opted the Conservative platform of lowering taxes. He lied, but it worked. The person who is going to win in 2012 is going to be the one who tells the people I am going to get you more money in your pocket. Obama will do it by saying he is going to take it from the rich and give it to you. The Conservative message has to be, “I’m going to take it from the government and let you keep it and I’m going to help you make more”. Why would we want to hitch our wagon to the guy who is saying 'I am going to create a new way to take money from you and give it to the government'? That message will not win.

5 posted on 10/16/2011 12:00:39 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared!)
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To: justsaynomore

Thanks for that. Cain knocked it out of the park. Gregory never laid a hand on him.


6 posted on 10/16/2011 12:02:56 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: Soothesayer9

that’s 1 place more than socialism has worked.


7 posted on 10/16/2011 12:04:37 PM PDT by Jeff Vader
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; justsaynomore
The most interesting part I found is this:

When asked what distinguishes him from Romney, Cain said, "He has been more of a Wall Street executive, I have been more of a main street executive."

Cain was given a chance to discuss the difference between himself and Romney and this is all he could say that distinguishes him from Romney.

One more datapoint that supports the conclusion, based on evidence, that Cain is shilling for Romney, splitting the conservative vote, to help Romney get the nomination.

In other interviews the worst Cain said about Romney is that "he is not a staunch conservative". Then in an article trumpeting Cain "going after Romney", the "big attack" consists of "I'm going after Romney only on his economic plan because that's where he is a little weak," Does he agree with Romney on everything else, such as Romney's romneycare and his job killing CO2 regulations?

It seem like Cain can't think of anything about which to criticize Romney.

Then there is Cain's statement about willing to be anyone's VP, except Perry's ( so who else is there, except Romney?!) and his other statement that he would not support Perry even in the general election, while he did support Romney in 2008, so presumable he would have no problem supporting him again.

How much evidence do people need to realize that Cain is saying anything, to appeal to conservatives, just to split the vote, but he is clearly NOT running for president, just helping Romney.

And look at his latest statements about electric fence, read meat for consevatives, but totally infeasible, then he says, it was just a joke. The joke is on conservatives who are falling for Cain.

Cain is becoming a caricature of conservatives and some still can't see him for what he is, a snake oil salesman, helping Romney laugh all the way to the nomination.

8 posted on 10/16/2011 12:06:50 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Where is Cain’s plan for CUTTING GOVERNMENT?

You can gimmick taxes all you want to , but if you don’t cut government, we are sunk.


9 posted on 10/16/2011 12:08:57 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

Your attempt to smear Cain is almost comical. it is not working - Perry is still falling in the polls. Maybe it’s time for a new tactic.

_____________

(Once again) The facts:

Romney is not a Staunch Conservative (10/15/11)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793447/posts

Cain Wants a Fight in Las Vegas
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57544.html

Herman Cain Hits Romney on Healthcare Plan
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/herman-cain-hits-romney-health-care-plan

Cain Discusses what is Wrong with Romney’s Job’s Plan
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/herman-cain-and-dick-discuss-whats-wrong-with-romneys-jobs-plan-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/


10 posted on 10/16/2011 12:10:23 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Forget the LA Times—we know where they are coming from—but in all honesty and not because I support Cain—Herman ate DNC Dave's lunch and came across as real presidential.

MTP has lost a lot of respect and credibility since they replaced the great and generally unbiased Russert with the Leftist partisan tool Gregory but Cain's fine performance today on the program will still lift him even higher in the polls.

11 posted on 10/16/2011 12:10:31 PM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: txroadkill
Why would we want to hitch our wagon to the guy who is saying 'I am going to create a new way to take money from you and give it to the government'? That message will not win.

I agree. Thank God that all but the most simple minded (Yes I do mean you) understand that isn't what he's saying.

Not even close.

BTW, Perry's done, kaput. I'm just responding because sometimes it's fun to kick dead things.

12 posted on 10/16/2011 12:10:38 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Clairity

What distinguishes Perry from Mitt? Hmmm..... I got it! It’s the accent!!!!


13 posted on 10/16/2011 12:14:14 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: justsaynomore
I think it is interesting how much some of you seem to enjoy carrying the liberal media’s talking points over here to FR.

Yes, like when they joined the likes of the New York Times', HuffPo and other liberal propaganda outlets by promulgating the false report that Herman Cain actually wanted an electric fence on the border.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2793369/posts?page=80

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793339/posts

14 posted on 10/16/2011 12:15:33 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Of course!

If you pay nothing now, you will actually be asked to pay something for a change. For example, Liberal icon Adrianna Huffington who paid less then $1000 in taxes on her mutli million $ trust fund will actually have to pay something now.

Odd how so many Conservative would rather keep giving the handouts then spread the tax burden.

15 posted on 10/16/2011 12:16:09 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

No kidding!

53% of People Favor Tax Code that Treats Taxpayers Equally
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/october_2011/53_favor_tax_code_that_treats_all_taxpayers_equally


16 posted on 10/16/2011 12:20:49 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Clairity
Where is Perry's?

9-9-9 is a plan to cut Government. Instead of racing back to Perry HQ for the next smear attack to post actually LEARN something that challenges your Perry worship for a change.

This is the thing I think Perry supporters are missing.

The growth of our out of control Federal Government starts with the implementation of the income tax.

As long as you give politicians a potentially unlimited income stream, as the income tax does, they will find ways to spend it.

We can cut and cut and cut but the spending always comes back. Reagan cut the most of any modern President and the spending came back plus more.

Until you address the revenue side, Federal Spending is not going to be controlled no matter how much any President cuts. Reagan cut and cut and cut and all that plus more Fed spending came back within a decade.

You have to limit the Congress's ability to spend and borrow money (Cut, Cap, and tax) but then you also need to limit it's revenue stream. 9-9-9 does that.

The genius of 9-9-9 is, for the 1st time, there is a leading Presidential Candidate putting out a plan to limit Fed revenue. The key components is the sale tax. By spreading a lower tax burden to all Americans he creates an insurmountable problem for any future tax raises.

How do you convince people to give you more taxes when they personally know they will pay for the tax hike?

See the trick now is Congress can always disguise any tax hike by hiding it inside the overly complex tax code. By tweaking around the edges with the tax code they can gradually and systematically raise taxes with virtually no one noticing.

9-9-9 eliminates that ability to “tinker around the edges” of a mind numbingly complex tax code

17 posted on 10/16/2011 12:21:45 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

53% of People Favor Tax Code that Treats Taxpayers Equally
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/october_2011/53_favor_tax_code_that_treats_all_ta

xpayers_equally


18 posted on 10/16/2011 12:22:14 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: MNJohnnie

“As long as you give politicians a potentially unlimited income stream, as the income tax does, they will find ways to spend it.”

What do you think introducing sales tax on top of income taxes does?


19 posted on 10/16/2011 12:25:37 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: txroadkill
I hate to spam Threads

Then why don't you stop spamming every thread with the same fraudulent attack post and address the points made TO you for a change then?

9-9-9 does “not add a new way” to tax, it replaces a corrupted failed tax system with a simple, transparent broader tax code. It replaces, not adds to, the current tax code.

20 posted on 10/16/2011 12:25:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Clairity
9-9-9 does “not add a new tax”, it replaces a corrupted failed tax system with a simple, transparent broader tax code. It replaces, not adds, to the current tax code.

What do think continually lying about 9-9-9 does to your credibility as a Freeper?

21 posted on 10/16/2011 12:29:05 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Clairity
9-9-9 does “not add a new tax”, it replaces a corrupted failed tax system with a simple, transparent broader tax code. It replaces, not adds, to the current tax code.

What do think continually lying about 9-9-9 does to your credibility as a Freeper?

22 posted on 10/16/2011 12:29:18 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie; txroadkill

“why don’t you stop spamming every thread with the same fraudulent attack post “

Says the King of Spam, who not only spams every Perry thread with the same post, from the leftist media that is misleading, unverifiable and basically a lie — but even posts the same thing several times on the SAME thread.


23 posted on 10/16/2011 12:29:52 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: justsaynomore
Thank you for the link to the show. I just watched it and found his views on the border and illegals interesting.

David Gregory: “Would you deport illegal immigrants in the country right now?”

Herman Cain: “Here is my approach to illegal immigration. Here again, this is what’s resonating with the people. How I would solve the problem. It’s not as simple as, would you deport. We must secure the border. It would be a combination of a physical fence, technology and in some areas we might have to put troops there. We must secure the border. Secondly we must promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We need to clean up the bureaucracy. Third enforce the laws that are already there. The way you do that is number four, which is a bold idea – empower the states to do what the federal government can’t do and won’t do as far as dealing with illegals that are in the United States today.” – Herman Cain: Meet the Press – October 16, 2011

24 posted on 10/16/2011 12:32:53 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: justsaynomore

How about you Cain authorities tell us if the 9% income tax will also end personal and dependent deductions.

Please enlighten us.


25 posted on 10/16/2011 12:33:03 PM PDT by marty60
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To: MNJohnnie

Tax the poor and kill the illegals - Cain 2012

yeah thats the ticket.


26 posted on 10/16/2011 12:33:26 PM PDT by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Perry)
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To: Once-Ler

Herb Huckabee - American First, Black Second, Conservative Third.


27 posted on 10/16/2011 12:35:03 PM PDT by magritte
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To: Clarity; txroadkill

How about this Perrybots? How about you drop the smear attack campaign postings and try making a case for your candidate for once?

Odd how the Perrybots and the Romneybots are using the exact same campaign tactics. The never ever make a case FOR their candidate, they merely slander and lie about all the other ones.

So which campaign are you Perrybots actually working for?


28 posted on 10/16/2011 12:39:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How about this Perrybots? How about you drop the smear attack campaign postings and try making a case for your candidate for once?

Odd how the Perrybots and the Romneybots are using the exact same campaign tactics. The never ever make a case FOR their candidate, they merely slander and lie about all the other ones.

So which campaign are you Perrybots actually working for?


29 posted on 10/16/2011 12:40:24 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: txroadkill

You like staying with the VAT tax system we have now?


30 posted on 10/16/2011 12:42:10 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

OMG CW, Did you hear him trying to say that you can’t count his sales tax on top of state sales tax. YEAH they are TWO different TAXES, THAT”S the point CAIN, you idiot.

What a whacked out charlatan.


31 posted on 10/16/2011 12:42:56 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Balding_Eagle
I agree. Thank God that all but the most simple minded (Yes I do mean you) understand that isn't what he's saying.

Putting aside your insults that you seem to think will accomplish anything by doing, who do you think decide the general election? It's not you. It's the guy who doesn't see the difference in the two parties. It's the guy who doesn't pay attention to politics until just before the election because he is too busy working his ass off to keep his family fed and his lights on. He is going to pick the guy who says "I am going to make your life better". Obama got that in 2008 and McCain didn't.

Is Cain's plan a good plan? Sure, it's a good place to start. Is it great for people like us who have skin in the game that think it's sucks that 47% of Americans pay no taxes, hell yeah it is. But to win the General the Conservative has to get most of that 47% to vote for him. They are not going to vote for the guy who is telling them that when he gets elected they are going to lose part of their income and they aren't going to hear you trying to explain how it benefits them in the long run. I will support Cain if he is the Nominee but he can not win the General Election shouting 9-9-9 at every question he is asked and Obama and the left will eat him up for it.

If you disagree, fine, that's your right. But cut out the insults, that's a Leftist tactic and beneath this Community.

32 posted on 10/16/2011 12:43:05 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Where have I attacked, lied or slandered?

Have you read the thread?

btw — When I do post threads on Gov. Rick Perry, swarms of anti-Perry posters come onto those thread and they aren’t polite to Gov. Perry or to me — they do what you just accused me of. And when I post threads and include links and information to support Gov. Rick Perry, I’m accused of being some agent for his campaign and that I should be banned from FR.

Did you have anything else to add?


33 posted on 10/16/2011 12:46:59 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Kartographer

If you really believe that you better go back to “Start.”


34 posted on 10/16/2011 12:47:27 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: CynicalBear
You like staying with the VAT tax system we have now?

No, but I want to save the Republic and the 47% of Americans that pay no Federal Income taxes now are not going to vote for a guy who says he is going to make them pay it. They don't understand that they pay them and don't know it and Obama and the Left is going to do everything they can to make sure that there is too much noise for them to figure it out. We have to win this election or we are screwed and an inexperienced man saying I am going to tax everyone is not going to win against a guy saying he is going to give you everything.

This Nation is at a tipping point, can you imagine what Obama will do when he has four years without worrying about getting elected again.

35 posted on 10/16/2011 12:53:26 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared!)
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To: marty60

If it reduces your tax burden why would you need those deductions? I don’t know about you but I don’t think I’d stay with the status quo to keep a couple of deductions when I can lower the amount I have to pay. And if you know anything about politics, every suggestion is a way to start a discussion. This is one that we absolutely need to have. Why not some kind of flat tax (which a 9% is) that has everyone paying, no loopholes, deductions, etc. The law could be written so that increasing the rate is harder than trying to pull a tooth with 2 q-tips and a rubber band.

Cindie


36 posted on 10/16/2011 12:58:43 PM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Then why don't you stop spamming every thread with the same fraudulent attack post and address the points made TO you for a change then?

Why don't you follow your own advice?

37 posted on 10/16/2011 1:01:28 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All Americans should pay taxes.

End of argument!


38 posted on 10/16/2011 1:05:35 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: marty60

Some states have a state income tax - do we know if that is abolished?


39 posted on 10/16/2011 1:07:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Clairity

Wonder why Perry hasn’t been invited to Gregory’s dance?

Perhaps even the liberals realize he is not news worthy.


40 posted on 10/16/2011 1:07:55 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: lonestar

Is it the Mormon thing then?


41 posted on 10/16/2011 1:13:16 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: txroadkill
>> We have to win this election or we are screwed and an inexperienced man saying I am going to tax everyone is not going to win against a guy saying he is going to give you everything.<<

Falling for the media meme doesn’t help anyone who considers themselves conservative. Prices for all will necessarily drop with Cain’s plan. Working against it is akin to cutting ones own throat. Cain’s plan puts those who now vote for Demecrats in a position where they also will not want to increase tax burdens. It puts those who are now takers into a position where they can no longer just take from the producers. This may well be the last chance we get to change who pays and who takes in this country.

42 posted on 10/16/2011 1:14:40 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Clairity

I see what’s going on. You’re trying to split the conservative vote so your boy ROMNEY can get elected. We see through you.


43 posted on 10/16/2011 1:16:37 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: gardencatz

We pay property taxes in Texas instead of a state income tax on assessed value — varies on where you live — around 2.6 (Rates per $100.00 value).

We pay a sales tax in Texas — varies depending on where you are — around 8%.

How will Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax change that? He said on Meet the Press that (I think — it was hard to tell) that we must not associate the two — that what the states do was....???


44 posted on 10/16/2011 1:17:46 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: lonestar
That is the other thing the Romney Campaign bots always do. The get hysteric when you question their slanderous posting style and deny all connection to the Romney camp.

So how about this, try making a case FOR your candidate instead of slimming all the other candidates.

45 posted on 10/16/2011 1:18:57 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Clairity

“What do you think introducing sales tax on top of income taxes does?”

You liberals are fine with taxes as long as they’re embedded in the retail price of things and you can’t actually *SEE* them. As soon as taxes are transparent and known to all you bawl and wine about paying your fair share.

You’re paying more than 9% NOW. Nitwit.


46 posted on 10/16/2011 1:19:24 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Clairity
Cain was given a chance to discuss the difference between himself and Romney and this is all he could say that distinguishes him from Romney.

Yea, with 10 seconds to go in the interview. Geez, real objective, aren't we? /sarc

47 posted on 10/16/2011 1:21:31 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: MNJohnnie

Clarity has finally outed herself as a liberal RINO.

She supports a candidate that doesn’t believe in private property rights, parental rights or protecting our citizens from illegal aliens. She will only support a ‘compassionate conservative’. She’s against a tax that’s transparent and FAIR. She spreads disinformation like she took notes right out of the DU playbook.


48 posted on 10/16/2011 1:22:14 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Clairity

justsaynomore is right!

Clairity said, “It seem like Cain can’t think of anything about which to criticize Romney.”

Considering the ‘Wall Street Protesters’ (OWP for those who can keep track of acronyms) and the Main Stream Media, a/k/a MSM (again with the acronyms), are making Wall Street Executives look bad without Mr. Cain having to lift a finger.

Just a thought but why should he say more, I believe he will win and then gain Romney’s support., or at least his respect for not cutting him.

TL

Mr. TL and I are on the Cain Train


49 posted on 10/16/2011 1:23:17 PM PDT by Tomato lover (Jesus is the only way to God)
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To: Clairity

In other interviews the worst Cain said about Romney is that “he is not a staunch conservative”. Then in an article trumpeting Cain “going after Romney”, the “big attack” consists of “I’m going after Romney only on his economic plan because that’s where he is a little weak,” Does he agree with Romney on everything else, such as Romney’s romneycare and his job killing CO2 regulations?


It’s called “staying on message.” Cain doesn’t want to change the subject when “999” is the number on everyone’s lips, and he is seen as the forward looking guy on the economy with the bold plan.


50 posted on 10/16/2011 1:23:43 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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