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Mayor Nutter wants citizens to support local efforts for firearms regulations
newsworks.org ^ | 14 Oct 2011 | Shannon McDonald

Posted on 10/16/2011 2:34:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter last week sent a letter to members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns encouraging them to support efforts to allow local governments to determine their own firearm carrying laws.

Nutter is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which has already created a 10-point code for gun shop owners to do their part in preventing illegal carries, and is calling on citizens to rally against H.R. 822 National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.

"Congress is debating a law that would eviscerate the ability of individual states to decide who can carry a hidden, loaded gun," he wrote. "It would force every state to honor concealed carry permits from every other state, no matter how low they set their standards."

Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey has posted a public petition on the White House’s “We the People” website, which the Obama administration will weigh if it gets 25,000 signatures.

"Here in Philadelphia, we’ve made too much progress on tackling homicides and gun violence to have it undone by this law," Nutter's letter reads.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsworks.org ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloomberg; concealedcarry; gungrabbers
H.R.822 - National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011
1 posted on 10/16/2011 2:34:05 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog
"Mayors Against Illegal Guns."

Bull.

They're against legal guns.

2 posted on 10/16/2011 2:37:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: smokingfrog

They actually elected man named Nutter...defies belief.

When I saw this headline I thought it was about Bloomberg.


3 posted on 10/16/2011 2:40:10 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m for gun control. Holding it steady with both hands be for firing.


4 posted on 10/16/2011 2:41:43 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: smokingfrog

Sorry Nutty, we still have a Constitution. You can go pound sand you Socialist hack.


5 posted on 10/16/2011 2:45:24 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: smokingfrog
"Here in Philadelphia, we’ve made too much progress on tackling homicides and gun violence

Yep, even Chicago is worse than Philadelphia.....sometimes.

6 posted on 10/16/2011 2:46:24 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: smokingfrog

The Pennsylvania Constitution is pretty specific in regards to the rights of the citizens:

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Section 21 . Right to Bear Arms
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

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Unless Mr. Nutter wants to secede from the Commonwealth, it would seem as if he needs to first go for a constitutional amendment.


7 posted on 10/16/2011 2:50:33 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

An armed law abiding citizen is the only thing they are afraid of. It gets in the way of thier want, need and ability for total control.


8 posted on 10/16/2011 2:51:08 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: smokingfrog

How about a new group called Citizens Against Tyrannical Mayors?


9 posted on 10/16/2011 3:02:25 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: ronnie raygun; All
They don't like the current military either.

They despise legally armed citizens because their existence is a bold statement that the Constitution means something, and citizens have some level of independence from the State. As Machiavelli said:

“Because there is nothing proportionate between the armed and the unarmed; and it is not reasonable that he who is armed should yield obedience willingly to him who is unarmed, or that the unarmed man should be secure among armed servants.”

10 posted on 10/16/2011 3:03:57 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Rocky
How about a new group called Citizens Against Tyrannical Mayors?

I like it.

11 posted on 10/16/2011 3:04:41 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: smokingfrog
"Here in Philadelphia, we’ve made too much progress on tackling homicides and gun violence to have it undone by this law," Nutter's letter reads.

Listen to the audio below to see how Philadelphia views "progress."

SHOCKING AUDIO: Philadelphia Police violate rights of open carrier at gunpoint

12 posted on 10/16/2011 3:22:42 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: smokingfrog

Here’s their 10-point code:

1. Videotaping the Point of Sale for All Firearms Transactions. Participating retailers will videotape the point-of-sale of all firearms transactions and maintain videos for 6 months to deter illegal purchases and monitor employees.

2. Computerized Crime Gun Trace Log and Alert System. Participating retailers will maintain a computerized log of crime gun traces relating to the retailer. Once the program is in place, if a customer who has a prior trace at that retailer attempts to purchase a firearm, the sale will be electronically flagged. The retailer would have discretion to proceed with the sale or stop the sale.

3. Purchaser Declaration. For sales flagged by the trace alert system, participating retailers will ask purchasers to fill out a declaration indicating that they meet the legal requirement to purchase the firearm.

4. Deterring Fake IDs. Participating retailers will only accept valid federal- or state-issued picture IDs as primary identification. Retailers will utilize additional ID checking mechanisms.

5. Consistent Visible Signage. Participating retailers will post signage created by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership to alert customers of their legal responsibilities at the point-of-sale.

6. Employee Background Checks. Participating retailers will conduct criminal background checks for all employees selling or handling firearms.

7. Employee Responsibility Training. Participating retailers will participate in an employee responsibility training program focused on deterring illegal purchasers. The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership will create an online training system based on Wal-Mart’s training program.

8. Inventory Checking. Participating retailers will conduct daily and quarterly audits. Guidelines will be based on Wal-Mart’s firearms audit check procedures.

9. No Sales Without Background Check Results. Participating retailers would prohibit sales based on “default proceeds,” which are permitted by law when the background check has not returned a result within 3 days.

10. Securing Firearms. Participating retailers will maintain firearms kept in customer accessible areas in locked cases or locked to racks.


13 posted on 10/16/2011 3:24:59 PM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: smokingfrog
Philadelphia Police Wrongly Accuse Man of Gun Violation in Abuse Confrontation And Then Charge Him Instead With Disorderly Conduct

Criminal: Police Harass Lawful Gun Owner, Citizen Charged With Disorderly Conduct (AUDIO)

GENERAL: 1272 09/22/10 12:53:20 TO : ALL COMMANDING OFFICERS / DEPARTMENT HEADS SUBJECT : FIREARM OPEN CARRY LAW IN PHILADELPHIA

1. DIRECTIVE 137, ENTITLED “FIREARMS” IS BEING UPDATED CONCERNING THE PENNSYLVANIA OPEN CARRY LAWS REGARDING THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. THIS TELETYPE REFLECTS THE NEW POLICY AS IT WILL APPEAR IN THE DIRECTIVE.

2. ALL OFFICERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT PENNSYLVANIA IS CONSIDERED AN “OPEN CARRY STATE” WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PHILADELPHIA. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEFINE A FEW TERMS USED, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS:

“OPEN CARRY” REFERS TO THE ACT OF OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRYING A FIREARM ON ONE’S PERSON.

“OPEN CARRY STATE” REFERS TO A STATE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM ON ONE’S PERSON WITHOUT A SPECIAL LICENSE OR PERMIT.

“CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE” REFERS TO A SPECIFIC LICENSE ISSUED TO AN INDIVIDUAL AUTHORIZING THE PERSON TO CARRY A FIREARM CONCEALED ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR VEHICLE.

3. IN PHILADELPHIA, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF THE STATE, FOR ANY PERSON TO LAWFULLY, OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM, THAT PERSON MUST HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE. SO, IN PHILADELPHIA, IF A PERSON HAS A VALID CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE, HE OR SHE CAN LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM EITHER OPEN AND VISIBLE OR CONCEALED.

4. AN OFFICER ENCOUNTERING A PERSON CARRYING A FIREARM OPENLY IN PHILADELPHIA SHOULD FOR THE SAFTEY OF PUBLIC INVESTIGATE AS A POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION.

A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE, BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.

C. A 75-48A MUST BE COMPLETED AND THE BASIS FOR THE STOP WOULD BE A “POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION”

D. ONCE THE OFFICER RECEIVES CONFIRMATION THAT THE CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE IS VALID, AND THERE ARE NO OTHER OFFENSE OR VIOLATIONS BEING INVESTIGATED, OFFICERS SHOULD RETURN THE FIREARM AND AMMUNITION BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL AT THE END OF THE STOP.

E. HOWEVER, IF THE INDIVIDUAL CANNOT PRODUCE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE OR THE LICENSE IS NOT VALID (I.E. EXPIRED OR REVOKED), PROBABLE CAUSE THEN EXISTS TO ARREST THE INDIVIDUAL FOR THE VUFAVIOLATION AND TRANSPORT THE INDIVIDUAL TO THE DIVISIONAL DETECTIVES FOR PROCESSING. THE FIREARM AND AMMUNITION SHOULD BE PLACED ON A PROPERTY RECEIPT (75-3) AND MARKED AS “ EVIDENCE”. A 75-48A FOR THE INITIAL STOP MUST BE PREPARD ALONG WITH A 75-48 FOR THE VUFA ARREST.

ALL COMMANDING OFFICERS/DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL ENSURE THAT ALL PERSONNEL UNDER THEIR COMMAND ARE MADE AWARE OF THE CONTENTS OF THIS MESSAGE BY HAVING THE OFFICER SIGN THEIR TRAINING MATERIAL RECEIPT/RECORD. (75-578)

TO BE READ AT ROLL CALL FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS.

14 posted on 10/16/2011 3:35:08 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Lazlo in PA

That’s good. Let them vote against the bill. We don’t want it anyway. It is only another way for the Federal government to add more restricting amendments to this bill once it is passed, further hindering our constitutional rights.


15 posted on 10/16/2011 3:40:54 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

That’s good. Let them vote against the bill. We don’t want it anyway. It is only another way for the Federal government to add more restricting amendments to this bill once it is passed, further hindering our constitutional rights.


16 posted on 10/16/2011 3:41:06 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: smokingfrog

Why not get those citizens to carry recall petitions to remove the gun grabber from office? Make an effort to secure liberty instead of more tyranny.


17 posted on 10/16/2011 4:11:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: smokingfrog

I think he should work on keeping feral “humans” from flash-mobbing.


18 posted on 10/16/2011 4:14:11 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Rocky

+1


19 posted on 10/16/2011 4:38:22 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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20 posted on 10/16/2011 4:43:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: smokingfrog

Philadelphia has elected only Democrats as Mayor since 1952.

Their crime rates, poverty rates, etc all reflect this.


21 posted on 10/16/2011 5:04:11 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Guy Gardner
Here’s their 10-point code: >

4. Deterring Fake IDs. Participating retailers will only accept valid federal- or state-issued picture IDs as primary identification. Retailers will utilize additional ID checking mechanisms


If you applied ALL their requirements for other constitutional rights, i.e, Voting and citizenship, all these anti gun mayors and liberals in general would throw a fuse.

Same Constitution, but different views on "rights"....
22 posted on 10/16/2011 8:49:46 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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To: SkyPilot

More Guns Less Crime.


23 posted on 10/17/2011 2:22:47 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: smokingfrog

There is no such thing as an illegal gun.

Illegal ownership only.....yet people fall for this nonsense.


24 posted on 10/17/2011 3:33:09 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: smokingfrog

There is no such thing as an illegal gun.

Illegal ownership only.....yet people fall for this nonsense.


25 posted on 10/17/2011 3:33:28 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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