Skip to comments.Protesters Debate What Demands, if Any, to Make (Laugh Alert)
Posted on 10/17/2011 3:39:29 AM PDT by SkyPilot
In a quiet corner across the street from Zuccotti Park, a cluster of 25 solemn-faced protesters struggled one night to give Occupy Wall Street what critics have found to be most lacking.
We absolutely need demands, said Shawn Redden, 35, an earnest history teacher in the group. Like Frederick Douglass said, Power concedes nothing without a demand.
The influence and staying power of Occupy Wall Street are undeniable: similar movements have sprouted around the world, as the original group enters its fifth week in the financial district. Yet a frequent criticism of the protesters has been the absence of specific policy demands.
Mr. Redden and other demonstrators formed the Demands Working Group about a week and a half ago, hoping to identify specific actions they would formally ask local and federal governments to adopt. But the very nature of Occupy Wall Street has made that task difficult, in New York and elsewhere.
Although Occupy Seattle has a running tally of votes on its Web site 395 votes to nationalize the Federal Reserve, 138 for universal education and 245 to end corporate personhood, for example Mike Hines, a member of the group, said the list would soon be removed because the provisions had not been clearly explained and because some people were not capable of voting online.
It feels like were all in a similar boat, Mr. Hines said of other Occupy movements. We all want to include as many voices as possible.
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If the protesters realized that the folks in the heartland consider this all to be a comedy of sorts....I don’t they’d even care. It’s more of a camping experience...lots of good weed....plenty of booze to sip at night....and some idiot media folks getting weird responses (of which most can’t be used at the nightly newscast anyway).
What is even comical about this....you have Matt Lauer of the Today Show...trying to act serious in telling the story each morning, to a bunch of soccer moms. You can tell that he’s having to push himself to be serious in front of the camera because none of the story makes any real sense.
Add onto the top of this...MSNBC trying to focus on this for four hours each night, and milking every single drop of absurd commentary from various communists and socialists. What few true Democrats watch the network....are reaching a point where they just can’t agree with the message and turn over to Animal Planet for entertainment.
I guess that last sign is simpler than “Honk if you have a mortgage, a credit card, a business loan, a student loan or financing on your car.”
1.) Free weed, man. Good shit, no twigs and stems.
2.) Free cable, including premium channels, MTV and MSNBC.
3.) Like a good job, you know, community organizing or teachin’ peace, not some f-ing corporate bs, where you like, you know, have to do boring shit.
4.) Open borders so we can get some folks in here to do the boring shit like laying floors, cutting grass, cleaning toilets, so like, us college graduates don’t have to do it. Cause, undocumented workers, they like to that shit.
5.) A living wage, so that we can buy iPods and iPads without doing boring corporate bs.
From the looks of the idiot, I will pass on seeking any financial advice from him.
Poor bastard probably got close to 100k college loan debt that is not dischargable by bankrupcy. I wonder if Big Education ever noticed that the biggest threat to its existence was when college loan debt became non-dischargable. When college loans were a way of pumping money from taxpayers to professors, the scam was kewl, now they have to depend on the dupes not catching on to the fact that when the party's over the hammer is going to fall hard and the hang over will last decades.
Who the hell is going to get a degree in bitter women's studies if all it leads to is a huge pile of debt and no prospect of employment, ever?
What about North Korea?
Best advice I ever got (and I took it to heart and still do) is “Avoid Debt”. A mortgage can make sense vs. renting (and it did for me), but not always. Save your nickels and buy a cheaper car. Go to a public college and pay your way via the GI bill, if possible.
I wonder, what is the rate of voter fraud
Like Sauropod says, "Come git some!"
Looks like the “protestor” in the first picture was busy “financing” on the cop car!
These vermin should not be underestimated. They have powerful interests behind them, including the current administration Community Organizers, billionaires with evil intent, Communist Party USA, union thugs, and the MSM.
All of these interests are looking for an excuse or justification to further erode the foundations of free enterprise and our system of government, IMO. Their current incompetent leadership will soon be replaced somehow.
These are Seinfeld protests. Protests about nothing...
A lontime protester... 64....
Just think about that. This idiot has spent most of his life protesting one thing or another.
Plus, he’s occupying Las Vegas.
“From the looks of the idiot, I will pass on seeking any financial advice from him.”
You’re ignoring what the media is feverishly trying to divert attention from: the protester’s shirt with the “Mexican crossing” sign (from southern California). These people know their government is screwing us by not enforcing immigration laws, and that illegals take American jobs. These protesters will probably be voting in similar fashion to a lot of TEA Party people (who after all are not exclusively Republican), mainly because the number one reason they are protesting is because they don’t have jobs that would prevent them from protesting. The Dems have a lot to fear from these people, who are mostly disenchanted liberals.
“I guess that last sign is simpler than Honk if you have a mortgage, a credit card, a business loan, a student loan or financing on your car. “
I’m more focused on the shirt (Mexican crossing); the West Coast protesters see the roots of many of their employment and fiscal problems streaming across their southern border every day.
These protesters are hardly “in the bag” for Obama.
I’ll say it again... these are the very people who gladly accepted “O’s” eligibility to lead and voted him into office. They swallowed ‘hope and change’ whole.
NOW that they have what they wanted.... why demonstrate????? It makes NO sense at all.
You demonstrate against the OPPOSITION.... not the guy YOU put in the WH
Hilarious. There’s gotta be some comedian who can do your routine.
How about; “Communism Now!”
“Send all those who disagree to reeducation camps!”
(Just be honest for a change.....)
The protesters’ anger is misplaced, if they’re angry about the mess the economy is in. They should be furious with the Obama administration, but the Administration, aided by the MSM, have diverted the anger to “Wall Street Bankers.”
The protesters have been vague about what they want, but a unifying theme has been anti-capitalism. Unless they vote Socialist, Green, or some similar impotent faction, they’re in Obama’s pocket.
He’s got the best name recognition among the anti-capitalists who will be on the ballot.
We absolutely need demands,
The OWS-gang can disclaim them all they want, but it just points to this being their unfiltered demand set:
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
When “Occupy Wall Street” first started, there were anti-Obama signs and he was being criticized in interviews with protesters (the original ones). The cameras attracted the animal rights groups and other assorted malcontents, and the media was able to divert the original focus (which was decidedly anti-government, INCLUDING OBAMA); hopefully the public can see through it.
Many of these people will not be voting for Obama; he’s acted like the stereotypical CEO with his detached extravagance.
You’ve actually nailed it.
They are protesting because their ideology has just been demonstrated, through an attempt at its implementation,
to be hollow and unworkable.
Their “demands” could be summed up easily - “we want stuff, and don’t want to work for it”.
Oh, they have demands. Gimme, gimme, gimme and let someone else pay for it. We are living in a nation of adult children looking for mommies and daddies to take care of them.
“We’re a group of protesting young people...we aren’t sure what we’re protesting, but we are!” Maynard G. Krebbs
We absolutely need demands, said Shawn Redden, 35, an earnest history teacher in the group.Okay, I speak English and understand it pretty good for a dumb American. But WTF is an 'earnest history teacher'?
According to Dictionary.com that word should not be there and the sentence makes no sense. (yeah I know, it's the NY Slimes so I shouldn't expect perfection)
The demands, when they come, will not be theirs.
They are being written right now, inside AFL-CIO headquarters in Washington. Your 60’s revival movement has been hijacked, kiddies. You are what they used to call “useful idiots”. The biggest joke here is that you all seem to think that you’re still in control.
Please, please save us all from the demands of "earnest history teachers"...
Laugh if you must at the “Honk if You’re in Debt” sign.
But this country has so many people who are so deep in debt that such positions will prove a powerful attraction to a political movement. Even one that is nuts, anti-Semitic, and dangerous.
Its fundamental meaning is immediate gratification self-indulgence and the pleasure of iconoclasm--nothing deeper than that.
The Tea Party is resistance to American Decadence.
Wealth breeds indolence and lassitude. That is the basis of decadence.
The wealth generated by the men and women who prevailed over the Great Depression and World War I (and the men who walked into machine-gun fire on the beaches of Normandy) nurtured a generation of overindulged, over-privileged brats, whose highest aspiration was immediate-gratification self-indulgence, indolence, and lassitude. They sashayed onto the polished dance floor (polished by the hard working parents and forefathers whom they deigned to scorn) in the 1960s chanting "sex! drugs! and rock and roll!" and "if it feels good--do it!".
Not all pampered children succumb to such nihilism and irresponsibility. The Tea Party proves this. So do my children, all raised in wealth and luxury and all highly responsible, self-reliant, politically conservative, still ascendant people of whom I am very, very proud.
The forces of decadence and ascendancy are locked in a manichaean struggle in America today (and the rest of the world as well). The outcome is unpredictable, but one thing's certain: ascendant individuals will survive and come out on top!
I hear tell there’s a Senator in Minnesota who takes it to heart.