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NRA's LaPierre: 'Fast and Furious' Was Plot Against Second Amendment
Newsmax ^ | 14 Oct 2011 | Martin Gould and Ashley Martella

Posted on 10/17/2011 9:02:54 AM PDT by neverdem

The government-sanctioned gunrunning operation Fast and Furious was a plot to undermine Second Amendment rights in the United States, National Rifle Association officer Wayne LaPierre charged on Friday in an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV.

“It’s the only thing that makes any sense,” LaPierre said. “Over a period of two or three years they were running thousands and thousands of guns to the most evil people on earth. At the same time they were yelling ’90 per cent… of the guns the Mexican drug cartels are using come from the United States.’

“That was a phony figure from the very start. Even the Wikileaks cables from our own State Department prove they are coming from Central America, they are not coming from the U.S. Every police officer will tell you that they’re coming from Russia, they’re coming from China, most of them are coming from Central America and a lot of them are coming from defections from the Mexican Army,” said LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president and CEO.

But LaPierre said that President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were determined to make it appear that most weapons used by the Mexicans came from north of the border, “so they could stick more gun legislation on honest American gun owners of the United States.”

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“Our job is to protect the Second Amendment and that means that every gun owner, every Second Amendment supporter needs to do everything they can to make sure that President Obama does not get a second term so that he can destroy the Second Amendment.

“This is the most dangerous election in our lifetime for the Second Amendment freedom that American citizens have. A second term by President Obama will break the back of that freedom in this country.”

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Mentioning Hillary Clinton is smart, as she could be the nominee. Ralph Nader has said Obama should be primaried. Obama could do a LBJ and withdraw from running rather than lose.
1 posted on 10/17/2011 9:03:02 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Gee... Ya’ think? That’s our Wayne. Slow on the uptake but he does get there eventually.


2 posted on 10/17/2011 9:06:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: neverdem

Well, my first response would be “No sh*t Sherlock!”... But, I guess those of us have seen this for 1/2 a year are just aching for the truth to get out.

I want to see Mr. Obama impeached and imprisoned.

Treason.

It’s a word and it has a meaning.


3 posted on 10/17/2011 9:07:26 AM PDT by Pigsley
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To: neverdem

Yes...smart mentioning Hillary.

Excuse me..got to get the popcorn machine out of the closet.


4 posted on 10/17/2011 9:09:31 AM PDT by Pigsley
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To: neverdem
I'm glad to see LaPierre finally address this. I remember when he got in Clinton's face, saying that Bubba's administration needed a certain amount of gun-related violence in order to further an agenda. Slick got quite put out by those comments, but Wayne stood his ground.

It'll be interesting to see what sort of response is offered this time. Given the situation (and the real crimes committed), I suspect they'll clam up.

5 posted on 10/17/2011 9:09:37 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: neverdem
Obama could do a LBJ and withdraw from running rather than lose.

That is exactly the Clinton-Soros-Obama Plan and IMNSHO has been since day 1. Obama's job was to get the Socialist ball rolling, take the heat, gin up claims of "racism," against the opposition and to thereby set the table for Hillary, an equally committed and one whole Hell of a lot smarter Marxist, to consolidate the "gains."

Think about it. Hillary gets 50-55% of the women, 90% of the Blacks. Heavy Jew and Latino support. Bingo ...could work!

6 posted on 10/17/2011 9:10:24 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Romney: Now! New! The Obama Puppet Available in White!)
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To: neverdem

Indeed, it is great to see that “the peter” is finally on board with what most of us identified was the case 6 or 8 months ago. Sure wish someone other than the choir was listening, though.


7 posted on 10/17/2011 9:11:56 AM PDT by earlyapex (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: neverdem

Duh!?

What are they just figuring that out now??? Wow they are quick.

LOL!


8 posted on 10/17/2011 9:11:56 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: neverdem
It is the only thing that makes sense! I can't believe that they could be that stupid. If true, Obama is going to be impeached!

Mike

9 posted on 10/17/2011 9:13:46 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Sprite518

The NRA has been covering F&F since March. I get America’s First Freedom magazine from them, and it’s been on their radar for some time.

The NRA, and specifically LaPierre, are very careful with what they say to the public. Wayne oftentimes sits on something for months until he has all of the pieces to make a cogent message. Otherwise, the NRA would be torn apart by the likes of the VPC and other anti-gun organizations.


10 posted on 10/17/2011 9:14:46 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: neverdem
The NRA is not looking at the big picture here. Obama had several ambitions in "Fast and Furious".

Knowing that he no longer controlled the House and therefore could not possibly get anti-gun legislation through Congress he sought, instead, to "compromise" border state gun dealers so that he could have a bunch of prosecutions. At the same time the ATF was building its files on identifying the gun smugglers themselves ~ which gave the Obama Regime a chance to better protect their "real friends" . Prosecuting the dealers would put them out of business and unable to supply arms and AMMUNITION to US citizens in the South West.

Finally, he was able to put several thousand (maybe 25,000 to 50,000 semi-automatic fire long guns into the hands of his friends in the Mexican Northern border states.

There's his NON DOD military force!~

Chavez of Venezuela did something similar by arming FARC in Columbia. When the time came he had them to occupy the Venezuelan government while he took over the country.

Again, the intention was to limit the flow of guns to Americans in the SW, build a small army in Northern Mexico beholden to Obama personally, and then overthrow the civil structure of the US government through force of arms.

Which, BTW, explains why Obama is piling on war after war that requires ever more forward involvement by US military forces. It is conceivable that he could disable the US military from defending the US by being tied up in crazy places like the middle of primitive continental areas like Afghanistan, Uganda, and maybe Southern Argentina!

Pierre is nuts if he thinks Obama is just going after the Second Amendment. This guy (or actually his handlers) is going after the whole enchilada.

11 posted on 10/17/2011 9:16:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kenny Bunk

Maybe the Jewish vote would be less for Hillary than we think. Maybe a miracle will occur, and this time the MSM will report about Hillary’s “f**cking Jew bastard” statement that was squelched when Bubba ran.


12 posted on 10/17/2011 9:16:40 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Kenny Bunk

Maybe the Jewish vote would be less for Hillary than we think. Maybe a miracle will occur, and this time the MSM will report about Hillary’s “f**cking Jew bastard” statement that was squelched when Bubba ran.


13 posted on 10/17/2011 9:17:15 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Kenny Bunk

The Hildabeast is thuggish.


14 posted on 10/17/2011 9:17:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sprite518

I doubt that it’s just that they’re figuring it out.
It’s just that the commies that are behind all leftist policy agendas are very clever in demonizing and marginalizing anyone that actually points out the motives behind the leftist agenda.

So, it’s not that they just found it. It’s that they finally got the balls to tell the truth.


15 posted on 10/17/2011 9:18:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MichaelP

For what it’s worth, I don’t think Big Racist Media would allow even a half-black president to be impeached, unless they were briefed on and support race riots in the streets, and I don’t see public violence in the big cities supporting Hillary.


16 posted on 10/17/2011 9:18:42 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Dead Corpse
Not only is Wayne slow, but he comes out with this on NEWSMAX. If Wayne was positioning the largest gun owner group in the country properly his 4 million members would have seen this on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.

Such small thinkers sometime.

Regards,

TS

17 posted on 10/17/2011 9:19:10 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: rarestia

I do understand why Mr. LaPierre waits for the right time. It is hard to deal with, but I do “get” it.

Hope he brands President Obama “Quisling” next go round.

One can hope.


18 posted on 10/17/2011 9:25:15 AM PDT by Pigsley
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To: neverdem

Yes, mentioning Hillary is smart, as her office is probably the source of this gambit. Issa needs to subpoena James Stinberg asap.


19 posted on 10/17/2011 9:29:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
20 posted on 10/17/2011 9:32:47 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Pigsley
want to see Mr. Obama impeached and imprisoned.

Tried, convicted and hung by the neck for treason works for me.

21 posted on 10/17/2011 9:44:42 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: neverdem

I THINK IT’S TIME TO START USING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT.


22 posted on 10/17/2011 9:47:32 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: MrB; Sprite518; The Shrew
NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox Calls for Expedited Hearings into BATFE Investigative Tactics

The NRA has been on top of Fast and Furious since last winter. They have linked 411 articles about it.

23 posted on 10/17/2011 9:52:11 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Dead Corpse

Wayne has known this for a long time. I learned about it from the NRA. What puzzles me is that he has not publicly stated this fact earlier.


24 posted on 10/17/2011 9:53:39 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: neverdem
Derelict Holder should be tried for treason against our GREAT NATION!!
25 posted on 10/17/2011 9:58:45 AM PDT by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: neverdem

One more time.

“and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”


26 posted on 10/17/2011 10:02:42 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: MayflowerMadam

was that before she smooched arafat’s wife on the cover of the NY Post?


27 posted on 10/17/2011 10:03:57 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: neverdem

You can always count on the NRA to be on top of things.......sheesh. Kind of the same way they got on board during Heller.


28 posted on 10/17/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: neverdem

Until everyone, not currently sentenced and in a prison cell, has their God-given right to bear arms restored to them, no one has the right, but merely a revocable priviledge. It’s everyone or no one, folks, and this is merely a step in the “no one” agenda.


29 posted on 10/17/2011 10:33:04 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: rarestia
The NRA, and specifically LaPierre, are very careful with what they say to the public.

Ok, I accept that as an explanation.

The NRA absolutley HAS to be extra sensitive to "gotcha!" ploys (after all...F&F is a big "gotcha!" ploy that was directed at the 2nd ammendment)

30 posted on 10/17/2011 10:41:52 AM PDT by kidd
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To: neverdem

We need to arrest EVERYONE who had ANYYHING to do with this and turn them over to the Mexican government. Let them sort it out. They have over 200 people dead and increased crime in their country thanks to our government.

Then for the survivors someday released from Mexican prisons, try them in this country for treason.


31 posted on 10/17/2011 10:42:29 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: P8riot

See comment# 23.


32 posted on 10/17/2011 10:48:13 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
My bet is that Hillary designed this strategy and 0bummer ordered Holder to execute it.

0bungles knew that Holder didn't know before Holder knew that he didn't know.

How Did Obama Know About "Fast and Furious" Before Holder?

And then there is this...

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

And this...

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

(snip)

“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

More about State Department involvement...

— has sources claiming “Obama’s man in the State Department,” (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.

Steinberg took office as Deputy Secretary of State on January 28, 2009

A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:

Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an “indispensable” partner. “On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution,” she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played “Oscar to Jack Lew’s Felix,” referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obama’s budget director.

Want to read even more about State Dept. involvement? ...

Sipsey Street Exclusive: "In at the beginning." The State Department & the Gunwalker Scandal.

Which comes to this...

Grassley to ask for resignation of highest-level person who signed off on Fast and Furious

Which just doesn't seem like enough.

33 posted on 10/17/2011 10:52:02 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Sprite518

They have to be very careful what that take on. The NRA is an expert at the political game.


34 posted on 10/17/2011 11:02:04 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Elsiejay
I learned about it from Sipsey Street, then AR15.com, then GOA, then the SAF, then JPFO, and THEN I heard about it from the NRA.

Nothing like being late to the party...

35 posted on 10/17/2011 11:05:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: longfellow

Some of us have been saying that for a decade or more. I agree that we shouldn’t resort to something that drastic without good reason, but dammit... how many more really GOOD reasons do we need?


36 posted on 10/17/2011 11:07:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: redgolum
The NRA is an expert at the political CYA game.

Fixed it... And yes, I'm a Life Member.

37 posted on 10/17/2011 11:10:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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38 posted on 10/17/2011 11:21:02 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Dead Corpse

“..I learned about it from Sipsey Street...”
Mike Vanderbeough was first with this and needs to be commended and supported.

As for the NRA, hey, Wayne- better late than never. Welcome to the party, and now that you’re in, DO SOMETHING with the big bucks you have and a whole battery of lawyers.


39 posted on 10/17/2011 12:14:57 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: muawiyah
I remember back at the beginning of this admin. someone asked Obama what he is going to do about the gun problem and the 2nd amend....his answer was quite clean, he said he was working on a plan under the radar that will take care of the gun problem.....he was referring to Fast and Furious as that was going on “under the radar”. Too bad it backfired on him...They were going to use those guns they supplied to ban guns in the US as sellers were selling to mexican cartels and killing mexicans...
40 posted on 10/17/2011 12:46:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
Obama: We're Working on Gun Control 'Under the Radar'
41 posted on 10/17/2011 12:52:58 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Thanks for filling in what I forgot, just remembered what Obama said, didn’t remember the proper scene...sometimes only part of something sticks in my memory but can depend on freepers to know the total story...


42 posted on 10/17/2011 1:15:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: kidd

That’s correct! “Gotchas” are the flavor of every day when it comes to the anti-gun lobby, and if the NRA isn’t measured and calculated in their responses, they would be letting down their group.

The NRA has done some boneheaded stuff in the past (Reid gets an A rating? Really?), but I’m with them 100% on this F&F stuff. This is a gross miscalculation on the part of the Regime, and I pray it erupts right in front of them.


43 posted on 10/17/2011 1:40:11 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
. . . to thereby set the table for Hillary, an equally committed and one whole Hell of a lot smarter Marxist, to consolidate the "gains." Think about it. Hillary gets 50-55% of the women, 90% of the Blacks. Heavy Jew and Latino support. Bingo ...could work!

That plan was before the Tea Party Revolution. Would be difficult to pull off now IMHO. All conservatives, most republicans and about half of the independents are on to the Marxist Mole and Hillary. We have to keep educating the independents. . .

44 posted on 10/17/2011 3:03:55 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: longfellow
I THINK IT’S TIME TO START USING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT.

If I was PONRA, I would propose some sort of "Operation Backfire" as a direct response to the Fast and Furious scandal. Operation Backfire would be a huge collectable AR sale for NRA members.

I bet most NRA members would love an AR with "Fast and Furious" engraved on it.
45 posted on 10/17/2011 3:29:00 PM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: Art in Idaho
All conservatives, most republicans and about half of the independents are on to the Marxist Mole and Hillary.

OK Art! I wanna believe. But then how come the Magic Marxist Mulatto from Mombasa never goes below 45% in those weirdo "Approval Polls?" 45%! That, plus vote fraud puts Kid Kenya back in public housing on my (and your)dime. OK, we take Wyoming. But what about New York? Michigan?

Back in the good old days, GW was always hitting 25% or less! This is a hell of an uncharitable thing to say, but those tattooed geeks cruising the Wal-Mart parking lot may well outnumber us.

How do I get Ma and Pa Republican off the couch, out of the trailer, and out to the polls on Election Day? We need a Republican Turnout like we haven't had since Teddy Roosevelt. We have to swamp the SOBs.

We can beat the basturds, but then I am way fuzzy on what our heroes actually intend to do. I want a Program, a Plan to implement it, and a Leader capable of ramming it through. So far, pal'o'mine, I am 0 for 3.;

46 posted on 10/17/2011 3:53:24 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Romney: Now! New! The Obama Puppet Available in White!)
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To: NFHale
Hey Wayne, way to choose your PR Venues, gun dude!

I am shocked, shocked I tell you that he didn't go all the way and break the big story at the Odd Fellows Hall in East Livermore, ME. Or maybe a PTA Meeting in Slippery Rock, PA. Whatever we pay this La Pierre doofus, and I am all for Cajuns, it is way too much. This guy couldn't market ice water in Hell.

No wonder John Q. Cablecustomer has never heard of "Fast and Furious." And while I am in a condemning mood, where TF are the Republican CANDIDATES ON THIS?

47 posted on 10/17/2011 4:01:11 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (N)
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To: neverdem; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; Jim Robinson; wmfights; smoothsailing
But LaPierre said that President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were determined to make it appear that most weapons used by the Mexicans came from north of the border, “so they could stick more gun legislation on honest American gun owners of the United States.”

Please, Lord, open up a chain of evidence that proves this plot by our government to destroy our right to self defense against anything that might threaten us... from foreign enemies to thieves to our own government. Self-defense is a right that You give us. Therefore, we pray in confidence that this is within the scope of Your revealed will.

Added to the evil that must exist for officials to enact such a plot, there is also the fact of hundreds of murders that have taken place. The innocent blood cries from the ground. Reveal the truth in an incontrovertible way so that this evil will be revealed in all of its hideousness and the perpetrators of it would be brought to justice.

We pray in Jesus' name; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

48 posted on 10/17/2011 5:23:48 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: goat granny

I’ve been posting that quote on Facebook with every article I post about Fast & Furious. My intent is to drive my leftist “friends” crazy. So far, they’ve been very quiet.


49 posted on 10/17/2011 5:54:38 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: neverdem
Obama could do a LBJ and withdraw from running rather than lose.

Naaaah I think he's too stooopid. He'll ride his ship right down the tubes and pretend he's the black equivalent of Slim Pickens riding the H-Bomb to detonation in Dr. Strangelove. I think the only way he'll turn loose of the election is for somebody to show him the way Vince Foster solved his problems with "depression."

50 posted on 10/17/2011 6:04:28 PM PDT by ExSoldier ("Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.")
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