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Submachine Guns, Pistols Stolen From LAPD SWAT Training Site
CBS) ^ | October 17, 2011 9:20 AM | Pete Demetriou

Posted on 10/17/2011 10:12:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Two separate investigations are underway Monday after multiple submachine guns and pistols used for SWAT training by the LAPD were found missing.

KNX 1070′s Pete Demetriou reports the weapons were stolen from a building owned and used specifically for training by the LAPD.

The 21 MP-5 submachine guns and a dozen Colt 45 automatic pistols were taken from a locked container inside the Kennedy Building on San Pedro Street, police officials said.

The location — which formerly housed clothing firms before it was donated to the LAPD several years ago — is considered a secure site, Deputy Chief Michael Downing told the Associated Press.

While the weapons had been modified to fire training ammunition, the concern is that they could easily be converted back to fire live rounds.

“These guns can’t be used with regular ammunition unless they’re significantly modified back,” said LAPD Commander Andy Smith.

With the proper fittings, the MP-5 can fire live ammo at 600 rounds minute — potentially putting heavy firepower into criminal hands.

A second administrative investigation is also underway as to why the weapons were stored in a location with no alarms or security cameras.

“We always do an internal investigation whenever anything like this occurs, and we’ll have our investigators look at it from top to bottom,” said Smith.


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; colt45; donutwatch; fastandfurious; insidejob; lapd; missingweapons; mp5; rkba; seiu; stolenweapons; teamsters; unions
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1 posted on 10/17/2011 10:12:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Did they call the cops?


2 posted on 10/17/2011 10:13:17 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: jessduntno

Heck no. They called BATF and told them to give their frikkin’ guns back.


3 posted on 10/17/2011 10:15:34 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: BenLurkin

They are in Tijuana..............


4 posted on 10/17/2011 10:15:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: BenLurkin

Look in Holder’s pants.


5 posted on 10/17/2011 10:16:40 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: BenLurkin

it’s OK- they all had federally mandated trigger locks on them, I’m sure.


6 posted on 10/17/2011 10:16:54 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: BenLurkin

Inside job. Bet on it.


7 posted on 10/17/2011 10:17:09 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: BenLurkin
While the weapons had been modified to fire training ammunition, the concern is that they could easily be converted back to fire live rounds.

Yeah. Them blank-firing attachments (BFA) are real hard to remove...

8 posted on 10/17/2011 10:17:41 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
From my own past experience with the LAPD, my money's on it being an inside job.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

9 posted on 10/17/2011 10:17:49 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: BenLurkin
While the weapons had been modified to fire training ammunition, the concern is that they could easily be converted back to fire live rounds.

The guns must be modified to fire sim-munitions, basically a paint round. Not sure what the mod is to the barrel, but I would imagine the recoil springs would be a lot lighter to allow the actions to function. Could be kind of funny with live rounds.

10 posted on 10/17/2011 10:19:27 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: BenLurkin

Why does any police force require 600 rpm weapons?


11 posted on 10/17/2011 10:22:17 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: BenLurkin
I seem to recall something like this happening a few years ago.

I don’t remember if it was LA but I remember a major city police training facility that was away from any police station. The guns were stored at the training facility which was only manned when training was in progress.

I remember thinking how stupid that it was that they would not keep the weapons at a manned facility and transport them to the training grounds when needed.

If I where their insurer and that was the way did business I would not be their insurer long.

12 posted on 10/17/2011 10:23:51 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: BenLurkin

Boy this SURE is not Chief Parker’s or Chief Gate’s LAPD!


13 posted on 10/17/2011 10:25:59 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: BenLurkin
The location — which formerly housed clothing firms before it was donated to the LAPD several years ago — is considered a secure site, Deputy Chief Michael Downing told the Associated Press.

Oops! Think again, Chief!

14 posted on 10/17/2011 10:28:17 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: BenLurkin

“Found missing”? Please learn to write. That said, inside job...


15 posted on 10/17/2011 10:35:02 AM PDT by stormer
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To: BenLurkin

Where was Eric Holder when it happened?


16 posted on 10/17/2011 10:37:30 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: jaydubya2

Ever since the little N.Hollywood bank robery and shoot out where the guy with full body armor who shot it out with a bunch of cops.
He had WAY better fire power and defensive stuff.
Well the LAPD went hog wild and decided NO one would out fire power them again and started passing out REAL BIG GUNS and stuff to make sure.


17 posted on 10/17/2011 10:40:43 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: Cicero

At the Tijuana border, white gloves on, nifty police-like hat, standing at the open gate waving the unmarked vans through to Mexico.


18 posted on 10/17/2011 10:44:43 AM PDT by Amigo04
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To: BenLurkin

It must be those damn TEA Party people. /s


19 posted on 10/17/2011 10:45:07 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama inherited a mild recession from George W. Bush and turned it into a major depression.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Maybe these weapons were set to fire 3 round bursts, but a full auto “spray and pray” seems rather irresponsible for a police force.


20 posted on 10/17/2011 10:53:31 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2
Why does any police force require 600 rpm weapons? ___________________________________________ Here's why:
21 posted on 10/17/2011 10:53:47 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: BenLurkin

Unions simply supplying Cartels.

Union Leos again show poor weapon control.


22 posted on 10/17/2011 10:53:53 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: BenLurkin

Slim pickings for Operation Gunwalker these days. Eric, getting desperate now?


23 posted on 10/17/2011 10:54:08 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: BenLurkin
This reminds me of the DUMBASS LITTLE ROCK ATF Special Agents whom stayed at a Memphis, TN hotel and left all their guns in their van at some cheap ass hotel in the 90s....right before WACO.

They were about a mile from Orange Mound, and lost 12 MP5s, 2 HK33s, 2-4 M16s, an M203, and M79, some short barrel 870s and some Remington sniper rifles, flashbangs, etc.

Since there were 400 ATF agents there for some LEO meeting, they all simply marched door to door in their clown-ninja suits and went into every home looking for the guns without a warrant. Some Memphis TV Station got footage of one of the Agents saying "Let us in, or we are coming in!" (paraphrase) to look for the guns.

IIRC, they found half of them in a ditch covered by plants/leaves, and a few in another house. Still didn't get it all back though.

No worries though, after ignoring the Memphis, TN resident's 4th Amendment rights, I bet they had nice new shiney guns when they were on the ladder and entering the Branch Davidian compound on the 2nd floor though, where they shot each other in a crossfire.

24 posted on 10/17/2011 10:56:27 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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To: BenLurkin

considered a secure site

stored in a location with no alarms or security cameras.

duhh.

haPPens all the time , well, more frequent than ya hear about... explosives, weapons, other stuff

a drop in the bucket next to all the guns that were stolen by gangs the day Rodney King’s arresting police officers trial ended.


25 posted on 10/17/2011 10:57:49 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: BenLurkin

The LAPD Union supports Move on.org.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/l-a-police-union-urges-members-to-stand-in-solidarity-with-seiu-and-moveon-org/


26 posted on 10/17/2011 10:59:37 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: jaydubya2

Because a MP5 is one of the best close combat weapons here is. For going into houses it is one of the best.


27 posted on 10/17/2011 11:00:44 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: stormer

Sounds like a Brit newspaper writer. “...it emerged,” is another curious line that covers for “no attribution.”


28 posted on 10/17/2011 11:04:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: riverrunner

The Germans made a couple other close combat weapons for going into houses called the Panther and Tiger. They were used back when the safety of the house and occupants was of less concern, but they offered better protection for the user. Their intended use was longer ranged open field warfare, but they worked in towns as well.

They also invented the assault rifle, the Sturmgewehr 44.


29 posted on 10/17/2011 11:10:59 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: BenLurkin
Submachine Guns, Pistols Stolen From LAPD SWAT Training Site

quota hires on the short list.

30 posted on 10/17/2011 11:19:49 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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31 posted on 10/17/2011 11:21:54 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: jaydubya2

“Why does any police force require 600 rpm weapons?”

To shoot dogs with?


32 posted on 10/17/2011 11:22:06 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Nope. It's actually Amish street gangs in LA updating their armories at taxpayer expense by the ripoff of the LAPD training site. The ATF couldn't be bothered because they were too busy running guns to the Sinola and other Mexican drug cartels.

Bottom line: Californians are sooooo screwed.

33 posted on 10/17/2011 11:36:06 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: jaydubya2
Why does any police force require 600 rpm weapons?

Them critters is tougher than they look! It takes a lot of firepower to kill a family pet!

Mark

34 posted on 10/17/2011 11:37:42 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Boy this SURE is not Chief Parker’s or Chief Gate’s LAPD!”

Yep, they need to get Sgt. Joe Friday on the case and perform a Dragnet.


35 posted on 10/17/2011 11:40:08 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

I saw an old Dragnet movie on a local free movie channel. This was nearly a year ago.

I was struck at how those cops didn’t even think about breaking the law to get the bad guy. I mean they did just about whatever they wanted. It was actually funny.


36 posted on 10/17/2011 11:58:46 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Parley Baer

“It was sunny in Los Angeles, We were working day shift out of ‘Weapons theft’. The phone rang.....it was the Captain”.


37 posted on 10/17/2011 11:59:03 AM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; Travis McGee; Lurker

Simunitions..... Not easy but can be cobbled back with new barrels an magazines....


38 posted on 10/17/2011 12:18:34 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: BenLurkin
This is the 4th time I personally know of which had at least 5 automatic weapons stolen, each time from a container or locker at a training facility. Each time, there was no alarm on the container, there were no cameras, and each time the LAPD promised it'll never happen again.

Mind, this is the same LAPD that has arrested in the past those who have had machine guns stolen from alarmed, locked containers with security cameras and trigger locks - you could see on the video the perps stealing the guns, but the owners were charged with criminal reckless endangerment for properly storing and securing firearms. (The DA in those cases tried to plead out to a very minor felony to take away their licenses, but each were defended successfully in court.)

Oh, and as an afterthought, they went out and found the thieves and turned them into police, only to have their firearms destroyed because LAPD never gives back any automatic weapons it seizes.

The investigation should focus on how many of the SWAT command staff to fire, starting with each and every one who was a member of SWAT the last time this same theft occurred.

39 posted on 10/17/2011 12:33:38 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: bobby.223
"My partner Bill Gannon and I were working homicide. It's murder."
40 posted on 10/17/2011 12:51:29 PM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: DCBryan1

I hadn’t heard about that clown circus before. Thanks for posting about it.


41 posted on 10/17/2011 12:53:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: jaydubya2
Why does any police force require 600 rpm weapons?

To nab little Cuban refugees and send them back to Castroland.

42 posted on 10/17/2011 1:35:27 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: jaydubya2

I guess there are times when a fully automatic weapon is called for but they must be really few. For instance the British FALs were semi auto only.

I suspect the cops need full auto even less than the military.


43 posted on 10/17/2011 1:43:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: jaydubya2

Yes it does.
endangers a whole lot of folks and wastes ammo.


44 posted on 10/17/2011 2:12:28 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: SpaceBar

Yep... gang connection.


45 posted on 10/17/2011 2:35:52 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: BenLurkin
The 21 MP-5 submachine guns and a dozen Colt 45 automatic pistols were taken from a locked container inside the Kennedy Building on San Pedro Street, police officials said.

MP5 barrels, $159.95 each, *here.*

There's probably a pretty good discount for orders of two dozen or so, though. And trades of .45 Kimber .45 autopistols would probably be considered, too....

46 posted on 10/17/2011 3:26:56 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: DCBryan1
This reminds me of the DUMBASS LITTLE ROCK ATF Special Agents whom stayed at a Memphis, TN hotel and left all their guns in their van at some cheap ass hotel in the 90s....right before WACO.

It was a little later than that- it was in 1997 right after Tim McVeigh's conviction, and Memphis Field Office spokesman Joe DeBiaggio had to entertain press questions about the possibility that the two events could have been related. It was an FBI GMC Suburban stolen from the Budgetel on the Memphis east side, not one from the BATFlops, though yep, they were from Little Rock prior to their reassignments to one-man resident offices in Horseshoe, Montana and Slagpile, Pennsylvania. New agent rule Number One is don't embarass the Bureau, and the dipsticks managed to do that in spades.

Neither did the reworked satirical version of Louie, Louie help matters any; you'll still occasionally hear short segments of that tune hummed or whistled around 501 Poplar or 225 North Humphreys, and you'll still get nasty looks from the feebs for it.

My list of what was taken included seven M-16s, three MP5s with 30-round magazines, two M79 grenade launchers and one lonely 12-gauge shotgun, plus 1,000 rounds of 5.56mm M16 ammunition, 3,000 rounds of 9 mm ammunition, 4,000 10 mm rounds and two bulletproof raid shields.

There was another other little detail about the looted Suburnban you forgot to mention, The perps torched it, and it burned out, with some ammo still inside cooking off.

IIRC, they found half of them in a ditch covered by plants/leaves, and a few in another house. Still didn't get it all back though.

Nope. M79/M203 40mm HEDP high explosive grenades were going for $25-$75 each in one Memphis biker bar hangout for a couple of months afterward.

47 posted on 10/17/2011 4:03:48 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: riverrunner; jaydubya2
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48 posted on 10/17/2011 5:18:17 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan

The MP5 is a much nicer subgun in my opinon having shot both.


49 posted on 10/17/2011 5:44:12 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: jessduntno
Did they call the cops?

Now, that's funny.

50 posted on 10/17/2011 9:23:37 PM PDT by TankerKC (One of the lessons of 9-11 was that evil is real...and so is courage. -George W. Bush 9-11-11)
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