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How Does Herman Cain Define ‘Moderate’?
The Corner ^ | October 18, 2011 | Kevin D. Williamson

Posted on 10/18/2011 10:42:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain says the Democrats he has supported in the past were “all moderate Democrats.” I was surprised to find my congressman, Rep. Jose Serrano, on that list. Is he a “moderate Democrat”? Let’s ask National Journal:

Serrano has one of the most liberal voting records in the House.

Egad. That does not sound like “moderate Democrat” to me. But let’s look at the details:

In opposition to Cuban Hispanics in Congress, Serrano has been Fidel Castro’s greatest champion in the House. He has sought repeal of economic sanctions against Cuba. When questions arose about Castro’s future after major surgery in July 2006, Serrano issued a press release telling President George W. Bush, “Hands Off Cuba.” When Castro’s brother, Raúl Castro, took control, Serrano said that it was “long past time to end the charade and begin dialogue and engagement with Cuba.” Another of his issues is statehood for Puerto Rico, which he calls an American “colony.” He backs a long-stalled referendum to determine the status of the island. In 2000, Serrano was arrested at the White House while protesting the Navy’s bombing range at Vieques, Puerto Rico. He also took credit for working with Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez and Citizen Energy Corp. to strike a deal to bring cheaper oil to the South Bronx. He has criticized the reluctance of House Democratic leaders to pass immigration reform.

In New York politics, Serrano backed former Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer for mayor in 2001 and 2005. He backed civil-rights activist Al Sharpton for president in 2004.

Moderate? Maybe among a crowd of Occupy Wall Street Froot Loops. But Mr. Cain is a big-picture kind of guy, I suppose. Coddling Castro? Buddying up to Chavez? Minutiae!

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


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1 posted on 10/18/2011 10:42:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry.


2 posted on 10/18/2011 10:43:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I guess it depends on who he’s talking to, but he was only joking, but he wasn’t.


3 posted on 10/18/2011 10:44:21 AM PDT by magritte
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Cincinatus’ Wife” is becoming to Herman Cain what “Pissant” was to Sarah Palin.


4 posted on 10/18/2011 10:45:07 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry, A Moderate's Conservative
5 posted on 10/18/2011 10:45:43 AM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In 1993, Cain gave $500 to former Nebraska Gov. Bob Kerrey and $250 to New York Rep. Jose Serrano.

Nice smear job. Make an issue of what a Dem did recently while obfuscating the donation Cain was made in 1993.

Hmm a mere 5 years after Perry was Al Gore's Texas campaign manager

6 posted on 10/18/2011 10:46:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: magritte

In 1993, Cain gave $500 to former Nebraska Gov. Bob Kerrey and $250 to New York Rep. Jose Serrano.

Nice smear job. Make an issue of what a Dem did recently while obfuscating the donation Cain was made in 1993.

Hmm a mere 5 years after Perry was Al Gore’s Texas campaign manager


7 posted on 10/18/2011 10:47:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; ...

ping to the Perry camp attacking the only man who stands between Mitt Romney and the Republican nomination


8 posted on 10/18/2011 10:47:38 AM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; ...

ping to the Perry camp attacking the only man who stands between Mitt Romney and the Republican nomination


9 posted on 10/18/2011 10:47:42 AM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: MNJohnnie; Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry.

He's more to the left of moderate.

10 posted on 10/18/2011 10:48:19 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Mitt Romney appreciates all your efforts to destroy Herman Cain.
12 posted on 10/18/2011 10:48:47 AM PDT by McGruff (Keep the House, take the Senate.)
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To: South40

Isn’t a moderate conservative better than the marxist scumb that is in the White House now?


13 posted on 10/18/2011 10:48:47 AM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He gave $250 to Jose Serrano in 1993...

How do you know this guy wasn’t moderate in 1993?


14 posted on 10/18/2011 10:48:52 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: AngieGOP

Why settle for a moderate when we can have a real conservative in Cain?


15 posted on 10/18/2011 10:50:29 AM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He gave $250.00 to a democrat he knew in 1994. Is this what you’re posting about? It just reeks of Perry desperation.


16 posted on 10/18/2011 10:51:01 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How dare you post an article questioning Herman Cain. Didn’t you know only positive articles about Cain are supposed to be posted.


17 posted on 10/18/2011 10:52:58 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: MNJohnnie
Yeah, so what you are saying is that 5 years after Rick Perry realized that Democrats were against everything he believed and made his choice to become a Republican and support conservative principles, Herman Cain was still giving money to liberal Democrats.

Cain was contributing to liberals and Perry was fighting against them . . . very interesting.
18 posted on 10/18/2011 10:53:39 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Lol...I couldn’t care less about who Herb Huckabee gave money to in the past...just passing through and commented on Mr. Maybe / Maybe Not...


19 posted on 10/18/2011 10:54:22 AM PDT by magritte
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To: beandog
In 1993, Cain gave $500 to former Nebraska Gov. Bob Kerrey and $250 to New York Rep. Jose Serrano.

Nice smear job Perrybots. Make an issue of what a Dem did recently while obfuscating the $250 donation Cain was made in 1993.

Hmm a mere 5 years after Perry was Al Gore’s Texas campaign manager

20 posted on 10/18/2011 10:54:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: AngieGOP

“Isn’t a moderate conservative better than the marxist scumb that is in the White House now?”

In the end? No, not really. The RINO wing of the republican party has been destroying this country almost as fast in recent years.


21 posted on 10/18/2011 10:55:40 AM PDT by CSI007
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To: magritte

Sorry Perry-bot, why you lie about your real agenda in the vain hope it will make you look credible, you have lost the debate.


22 posted on 10/18/2011 10:56:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: magritte

Sorry Perry-bot, when you lie about your real agenda in the vain hope it will make you look credible, you have lost the debate.


23 posted on 10/18/2011 10:56:21 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: justsaynomore

He gave $250 to Jose Serrano in 1993...

How do you know this guy wasn’t moderate in 1993?

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By his voting record.

American Conservative Union gave him a 4 out of 100 for Conservative Issue voting in 1993.

http://www.conservative.org/ratings/ratingsarchive/1993/hse_mone.html


24 posted on 10/18/2011 10:56:30 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: beandog
Jan 16, 2009: Hail King Obama: President for life ……”Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., earlier this month introduced the bill, H. J. Res. 5, which, according to the bill's language, proposes "an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President."
25 posted on 10/18/2011 10:59:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MNJohnnie

Only a mere five years. I’m not a “Perrybot” but you are a nut.

You guys have been going after Perry for supporting Al Gore, as I have, but when it’s pointed out to you that Cain has his own Demonrats in his closet, you get all pissy.

Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.


26 posted on 10/18/2011 10:59:56 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Sudetenland
Hmm Perry was "fighting them" in 1993? The same year he was campaign on behalf of the Clinton Health Care bill? That is "Fighting them"?

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as "most commendable." The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.[23][24][25][26][27] In 2005, after being questioned on the issue by a potential opponent in the Republican governor primary, Perry said that he expressed his support only in order to get Clinton to pay more attention to rural health care.[28]

27 posted on 10/18/2011 11:00:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: South40

Can Cain be relied upon to nominate a solid conservative to the Supreme Court if there is opening? Inquiring minds want to know.


28 posted on 10/18/2011 11:00:06 AM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: Sudetenland
Hmm Perry was "fighting them" in 1993? The same year he was campaign on behalf of the Clinton Health Care bill? That is "Fighting them"?

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as "most commendable." The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.[23][24][25][26][27] In 2005, after being questioned on the issue by a potential opponent in the Republican governor primary, Perry said that he expressed his support only in order to get Clinton to pay more attention to rural health care.[28]

29 posted on 10/18/2011 11:01:02 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Zell Miller wrote the intro for one of Cain's books. That should give you some idea of the kind of moderate Democrat Cain has supported in the past.
30 posted on 10/18/2011 11:01:19 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I oppose an electric border fence, because it might kill the alligators in the moat)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yawn. I like Perry, Gingrich, and Bachmann. I got no use for Herb. It’s not a secret, so I have no “real agenda” that I’m hiding.

Project much?


31 posted on 10/18/2011 11:01:21 AM PDT by magritte
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To: beandog
No, look in the mirror to see the hypocrite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry#Early_political_career

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.” The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.[23][24][25][26][27] In 2005, after being questioned on the issue by a potential opponent in the Republican governor primary, Perry said that he expressed his support only in order to get Clinton to pay more attention to rural health care.[28]

32 posted on 10/18/2011 11:02:27 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: AngieGOP

Do you have any credible evidence that he wouldn’t?


33 posted on 10/18/2011 11:02:27 AM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: magritte

No, look in the mirror to see the hypocrite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry#Early_political_career

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.” The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.[23][24][25][26][27] In 2005, after being questioned on the issue by a potential opponent in the Republican governor primary, Perry said that he expressed his support only in order to get Clinton to pay more attention to rural health care.[28]


34 posted on 10/18/2011 11:03:01 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

And of course, they leave out the fact that in 1993 Cain was still with Godfather’s Pizza, which had stores in Nebraska.

It’s always a good idea to the donate to the party in power when you’re in business. That’s just the way the political system works.


35 posted on 10/18/2011 11:03:31 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I oppose an electric border fence, because it might kill the alligators in the moat)
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To: AngieGOP
Isn’t a moderate conservative better than the marxist scumb that is in the White House now?

There's no such animal as a "moderate conservative". What you're describing is commonly referred to as a RINO, or an establishment Republican.

The answer to your question is, of course, yes, but why would you even consider choosing such a politician at a time like this? Our country is being destroyed before our eyes. We need a hard-core, conservative fighter in the White House, not another go-along-get-along "compassionate conservative", like Bush/Dole/McCain.

That rules out Romney and Perry. Period.

36 posted on 10/18/2011 11:03:31 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: US Navy Vet
“Cincinatus’ Wife” is becoming to Herman Cain what “Pissant” was to Sarah Palin.

Not even close. Pissant finally got booted for some pretty vile misogynistic language...and he had an obvious problem with women in general, not just Sarah.

Cain needs vetting. Better now than later.

37 posted on 10/18/2011 11:03:49 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Also from the National Review, regarding Cain's donations to dims:

"All but one of Cain’s contributions to Democrats went to candidates in Nebraska, where Godfather’s Pizza, the company Cain led from 1986 to 1996, had been headquartered for more than 35 years: In 1993, Cain gave $500 to former Nebraska Gov. Bob Kerrey and $250 to New York Rep. Jose Serrano. In 1994, Cain wrote a check for $500 to former Nebraska Rep. Peter Hoagland. Two years later, he gave $500 to Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson and in 1998, he donated another $500 to Omaha newscaster Michael Scott’s campaign for Congress.

“They were business decisions and personal decisions,” Cain told The Ticket when asked about the donations to Democrats. “One was a restaurateur. One was a personal friend. All moderate Democrats.”

National Review now has their long knives out for Cain, big time.

38 posted on 10/18/2011 11:04:30 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; thackney
And what was Rick Perry doing in 1993 when Cain gave a $250 campaign donation to a Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry#Early_political_career

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.” The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.[23][24][25][26][27] In 2005, after being questioned on the issue by a potential opponent in the Republican governor primary, Perry said that he expressed his support only in order to get Clinton to pay more attention to rural health care.[28]

39 posted on 10/18/2011 11:05:06 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: US Navy Vet

And we know how that panned out...


40 posted on 10/18/2011 11:06:36 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: US Navy Vet

And we know how that panned out...


41 posted on 10/18/2011 11:06:45 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Hmm a mere 5 years after Perry was Al Gore's Texas campaign manager

It's been proven Perry endorsed Gore in 1988 for the primary (was not a part of his campaign) -- which Dukakas won because Gore was 2nd amendment, pro-Life, moment of silence, family values guy until he ran with Clinton.

In 1989 Rick Perry moved to the growing Republican party in Texas (along with and joining other conservative Democrats like Phil Gramm). In 1998 Perry became Texas' first Republican Lt. Gov. since Reconstruction -- very Reaganesque -- and Perry voted twice for Ronald Reagan.

42 posted on 10/18/2011 11:08:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Brookhaven

And what was Rick Perry doing in 1993 when Cain gave a $250 campaign donation to a Democrat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry#Early_political_career

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.” The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.[23][24][25][26][27] In 2005, after being questioned on the issue by a potential opponent in the Republican governor primary, Perry said that he expressed his support only in order to get Clinton to pay more attention to rural health care.[28]


43 posted on 10/18/2011 11:09:05 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: South40

“Do you have any credible evidence that he wouldn’t?”

Do you have any credible evidence he would?


44 posted on 10/18/2011 11:09:33 AM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: US Navy Vet
“Cincinatus’ Wife” is becoming to Herman Cain what “Pissant” was to Sarah Palin.

Bump.

45 posted on 10/18/2011 11:12:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MNJohnnie
In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.”

And as AG commissioner he represented the farmers and ranchers in a rural area and brought them to her attention, reminding her of the lack of services to physicians, clinics and hospitals.

46 posted on 10/18/2011 11:13:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: thackney

Wow. It’s too bad that Cain didn’t fire up the internet and check that chart in 1993...


47 posted on 10/18/2011 11:14:07 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: AngieGOP

What credible evidence do you have that any of them would, other than their stated position on issues?


48 posted on 10/18/2011 11:15:49 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: MNJohnnie
In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.”

And as AG commissioner he represented the farmers and ranchers in a rural area and brought them to her attention, reminding her, due to distance, the lack of access to the services of physicians, clinics and hospitals.

[sentence structure corrected]

49 posted on 10/18/2011 11:17:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MNJohnnie
Hmm a mere 5 years after Perry was Al Gore’s Texas campaign manager

I've got $100 that you can't prove that claim.

Perry has denied that claim, along with the Texas democrats who ran Gore's campaign.

50 posted on 10/18/2011 11:17:54 AM PDT by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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