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Misfire: Romney Ad Targets Rick Perry's Jobs Record
Townhall ^ | October 18, 2011 | Guy Benson

Posted on 10/18/2011 1:55:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

I think it's safe to say the Romney campaign is going for the kill with its latest attack on Rick Perry. The former Massachusetts Governor has already gotten a fair amount of mileage out of attacking his Texan rival from the left on Social Security, and from the right on immigration, but this new spot strikes at the heart of the Perry campaign's raison detre -- jobs, jobs, jobs:

The Facts --Mitt Romney's political ad

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The spot's most striking image is a tumbleweed blowing along a deserted Texas highway. That's rich. It's intended to create the impression that Rick Perry's Texas is something of a depressed ghost town. Nothing could be further from the truth. Since the recession began, desperate job seekers have flocked to Texas at a clip of roughly 1,000 people per day. And they're finding work, too. Despite a huge population influx and a bruising national recession, Texas' unemployment rate remains below the national average. How remarkable has the Lone Star State's economic performance been? Read this Political Math analysis (written by a self-professed non Perry supporter), and marvel. One telling data point:

This chart depicts what Texas' unemployment rate would be if three-quarters of a million people -- many of whom were jobless -- hadn't barged into the state looking for jobs during this recession. Texas absorbed all of those folks, and still has an unemployment rate nearly a full point below Obama's national average. The data presented also dismantles other challenges to the "Texas Miracle," including the claims that most of state's new jobs are very low-paying, and that Texas' "luck" is predominantly due to a florishing oil industry.

But what about George Stephanopolous' assertion that nearly two-thirds of Texas job gains were in the public sector? First, that statistic cherry-picks certain years out of Perry's tenure as Governor. Fine. Second, the fact remains that over the last full decade, Texas has netted more private sector jobs than the other 49 states combined. In the last five years, Texas was responsible for 73 percent of all job growth in America. During that same period, the similarly-situated state of California lost over a million jobs:

And what to make of the ad's eye-opening statistic regarding illegal immigrants? Have illegals really accounted for almost half of Texas' job growth since 2007? The Texas Public Policy Foundation examined that figure, and found it badly wanting (The rest of the piece picks apart the CIC study in even greater detail):

[CIS used faulty methodology to make its main point. It compared a net increase in jobs in Texas over a four-year period with a gross increase in employed newly arrived immigrants in Texas. This is truly an apples-to-oranges comparison; it is as if a report claimed that Google is a larger company than Apple because its market capitalization of $162 billion exceeds Apple’s annual revenues of $100 billion.]

In short, Romney's new ad is dubious on the details, and laughable in its overall narrative. Perry's biggest problem, frankly, is that he seems incapable of consistently, specifically, and succinctly pushing back against these misleading numbers when he's confronted with them -- both in interviews and debates. That's not a minor shortcoming, it's a monumental weakness -- especially since the Democrats are preparing a vituperative and relentless smear campaign against the eventual nominee. If Perry's support were holding steady, and if he'd proven adept at fluently defending his record, running this sort of ad might make more sense. Instead, it comes off as an borderline desperate attempt to bury a candidate who seems to be in the process of burying himself. Not the Romney campaign's finest moment, I'd say.

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Nice try Mitt.
1 posted on 10/18/2011 1:55:53 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Romney and Obama are kindred spirits. Mitt Romney's former science advisers were embraced by the Obama White House, and former Gov. Romney's advisers briefed the White House on RomneyCare for ObamaCare -- all the nightmare programs and regulations that are strangling the economy and killing jobs were nurtured under Gov. Romney and now are being executed by Obama.

Romney’s Troubling Appointments (Mitt's environmental policy team now works for Obama) ......."Significantly, two of Romney’s appointments have how found a home in the Obama White House.....Gina McCarthy, the chief EPA clean air regulator,.......Another Romney environmental adviser in the effort to regulate “greenhouse gases” is now Obama’s Director of Science and Technology Policy, John Holdren."........

Romney’s Advisers Met With Obama to Help Craft ‘Obamacare’ “Three of Mitt Romney’s advisers went to the White House at least a dozen times in 2009 to consult on the former Massachusetts governor’s health care plan that President Obama used as a model for his initiative -- now a federal law that all the Republican presidential candidates want to repeal."....

......"It's a "pattern time and time again," said senior campaign strategist David Axelrod. "It’s consistent with a guy who ran for the governorship and the Senate in Massachusetts as a pro-choice moderate who supported civil unions and environmental protections to the guy you see today hard after the Tea Party vote who has thrown all his positions over.” If "you are willing to change positions on fundamental issues of principle, how can we know what you would do as president?" asked Axelrod.

The Democratic National Committee has already established a YouTube channel called "Which Mitt" which highlights his Mitt-flops."..................Source

1 minute Perry campaign video: Carbon Copies Romney: "That plant kills people!"

...according to his standards, Romney himself used to be a “radical” environmentalist who supported clean energy policy and opposed a pollution-backed economy. Back in 2005, Romney told the Boston Globe he was “convinced” that cap and trade was “good business.” It was his administration, in fact, that helped guide the development of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, a cap and trade system in the Northeastern U.S. that has raised $860 million for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs.

In 2003, Romney fought to protect public health by supporting environmental controls on a Massachusetts coal plant that was responsible for dozens of premature deaths and 14,400 asthma attacks each year, according the Harvard School of Public Health. Announcing new regulations on the coal pollution, Romney said that he would “not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people”:

I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people. And that plant kills people and PG&E has been given a notice to have it cleaned up by 2004 and they have thumbed their nose at the people of Massachusetts and Salem Harbor by not cleaning it up on time. So we’re saying, clean it up on time, do the job in the community, invest in cleaning technology.

One has to wonder where the old Romney went. According to Seth Kaplan of the Boston-based Conservation Law Foundation, the old Romney disappeared while he was still governor of Massachusetts, posturing for the presidential election in 2007.

“You could see the flip starting to happen then – whether it was directly related to his running for president, you can’t say for sure. But they happened at the exact same time,”... Source

2 posted on 10/18/2011 1:57:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mitt sucks.


3 posted on 10/18/2011 1:58:43 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: All

President ZERO 2,008,213 views

RomneyCare Romney's Remedy 185,609 views


4 posted on 10/18/2011 2:00:22 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: freespirited
That was a well timed and placed comment.

Bump!

5 posted on 10/18/2011 2:02:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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6 posted on 10/18/2011 2:04:34 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Romney must be nuts to have a logo so similar to Obama.

Tonight is Perry's night.

7 posted on 10/18/2011 2:05:18 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What’ll you do if Milt gets the nomination and picks Ricardo as his running mate?


8 posted on 10/18/2011 2:10:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I KNEW there was a sense of humor in there somewhere.

It won’t happen.


9 posted on 10/18/2011 2:15:53 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No matter how bad Mitt is it does not make Perry any more conservative. But keep trying and maybe Obamdinaling can have another term.

Texas will be exactly like California within five years. Did you see the Generals taken to the woodshed by the Commie Hispanic congressmen from Texas yesterday, for reporting the truth about the border?

10 posted on 10/18/2011 2:18:14 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will write in Palin. We can not save the Republic by electing those who plan to destroy it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He’s already said he’d consider him. You need to catch up.


11 posted on 10/18/2011 2:19:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now you want an standing O for your humor.

Not gonna get one.

But I appreciate your trying.


12 posted on 10/18/2011 2:21:07 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So if the illegal job comparison is “off” then you ought to provide the REAL numbers. What are they? Tell us. How many of those “jobs” account for illegals if it’s not 50%?? I, for one, can tell you that I can leave my house in Houston, go shopping all day at several different places (not even including Fiesta) and never here ONE FREAKIN’ WORD OF ENGLISH..... Stopped to get my kiddo a Happy Meal the other day and the cashier asked the little black (not hispanic) boy in front of us if he wanted “pappas” with his burger. The boys was like “huh”? I had to bite my tongue really hard.... THANK YOU RICK PERRY! Get ready, you keep kissing that punk’s rear and you’ll be just as much to blame if he’s elected and turns us into Mexico. YES, HE IS TO BLAME because he WANTS illegals here and takes money from businesses who HIRE THEM ...


13 posted on 10/18/2011 2:22:35 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It is amazing why Romney is still obsessed attacking Perry even with lies such as this ad, when according to the polls, most pundits, and many others Perry campaign is finished. Why does not Romney attack Cain the front runner and his main rival? Also why does not Cain attack Romney? Very interesting indeed but many of us know the answer to these questions.


14 posted on 10/18/2011 2:25:14 PM PDT by jgge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cain clobbers Romney in Ohio polling.

Riccardo Perry, who led last month, dropped to 6th with a whopping 5%. Another state (along with Iowa, New Hampshire and Florida) where the $17 Million Man is running behind Michele Bachmann.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/ohiopolitics/entries/2011/10/18/ohio_poll_cain_takes_lead_in_g.html

But, let's see if I have this right: Rick Perry is the only Republican that can stop Romney and beat Obama. I guess if you tell yourself enough, you believe it.

15 posted on 10/18/2011 2:28:09 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: itsahoot
Texas has had 1254 miles, to be exact, of shared border with Mexico for a LONG time. The war on the border is a drug war and thousands of people are being killed. Perry wants to kill the cartels, seal the border and he does not believe in amnesty. Now I don't know where you get off saying he isn't conservative.

There are some very LIBERAL politicians in Texas that are carrying Obama's and Napolatano's water on this. And will lie in the face of the evidence under their noses.

btw - California is going to be asking US to bail them out because they won't do what Perry says.

This is how you "create" jobs -- you create an environment that is friendly to employers!

Rick Perry:

FIRST: "Don't spend all the money!"

SECOND: "Have a fair and predictable tax and regulatory policy!"

THIRD: "Have a legal system that doesn't allow for over suing and make loser pay!"

16 posted on 10/18/2011 2:28:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jgge
It is amazing why Romney is still obsessed attacking Perry even with lies such as this ad.........

In Campaign 2012, Web sites are the new real estate

"On Aug. 15, two days after Perry launched his campaign, Obama’s campaign spent $3,958 at Go­Daddy.com. At least 70 domains containing Perry’s name were bought on the same date."

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The Left always lets you know who they fear the most.

17 posted on 10/18/2011 2:34:03 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jgge
why does not Cain attack Romney?

Herman Cain today:

"The biggest problem I have with Governor Romney, who I respect, is him trying to say that he is the non-politician, business candidate," Cain said. "I am the true non-politician, business candidate in this race. He was a Wall Street executive. I was a main street executive. Because I dealt with individual businesses."

When asked if Romney was a Christian, Cain refused to answer, saying he was focusing instead on his opponent's platform.

"I want to basically defeat Mitt Romney based upon the strength of my ideas versus his," Cain said. "I think I've got a strong plan relative to his, as well as strong ideas about the other issues we face."

Good enough for me. Of course, if you mean by "attack" that Cain should insult him personally (and I suspect you might), it won't happen -- and shouldn't.

18 posted on 10/18/2011 2:34:18 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: DrewsMum

..............Every month, about 4 million jobs turn over in the United States because of workers’ leaving to take a better job, retiring, being laid off, and because of corporate restructuring, bankruptcies, etc. Texas’s share of this natural churn is about 320,000 jobs every month. During the last four years, this meant that more than 15 million jobs have been filled. Additionally, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that during this time Texas created 5,627,328 new jobs while shedding 5,348,238 existing jobs. If an immigrant changed jobs four or five times during that four-year period, filled four or five of those 15 million jobs. That doesn’t mean he was holding four or five jobs at once, or that every job filled by an immigrant represents a new immigrant in a new permanent job. The number of jobs filled is much larger than the number of new jobs created.

TPPF’s detailed response can be seen here. We point out that trying to draw conclusions about immigration and employment in Texas in isolation from other factors is problematic at best. Texas has a strong job-creation record as compared with the nation as a whole. This record is not only affected by immigration, but also by domestic migration (781,542 Americans moved to Texas in the past decade while 1.5 million moved out of New York and 328,695 moved out of Massachusetts, artificially holding the latter states’ unemployment rate down while increasing it for Texas), the effect of extended unemployment insurance on workers’ willingness to accept new employment or move in search of work, and by the dynamics of business creation.

TPPF contends that Texas’s record of job creation is due to low state spending and taxes, a predictable, low level of regulation, and strong property-rights protection, a sound civil-justice system, and minimal dependence on — or interference from — the federal government. These policies benefit Texans, as well as people who decide to move to Texas from other states and from other countries.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/279607/cis-and-texas-immigrant-job-myth-chuck-devore


19 posted on 10/18/2011 2:38:09 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jgge
None of this Texas jobs record stuff matters for squat. Perry helped create those jobs while serving as a politician instead of an outsider, where he could have been making pizza. Politicians are bad people. Pizza people are perfect because they say the right things and this is good. He's also not as funny as Cain, and has weird facial expressions. Please send your immigration questions to CNN tonight so we can hate him more this week than we did last week. And the week before that. Thank you.
20 posted on 10/18/2011 2:43:58 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Cincinatus' Wife
What’ll you do if Milt gets the nomination and picks Ricardo as his running mate?

Well then, 2ndDivisionVet, I guess we'll have the following line up then:

Rick Perry = The Good
Mitt Romney = The Bad
2ndDivisionVet = The Ugly

21 posted on 10/18/2011 2:58:56 PM PDT by casinva (Say "NO" to expanded federal bureaucracy and entitlements through 999 minority empowerment zones!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What’s missing here?

Mitt Romney’s jobs record.

He does not say his record is better, just that Perry’s is bad.


22 posted on 10/18/2011 3:02:52 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope these two losers take each other out.

Nice.


23 posted on 10/18/2011 3:03:35 PM PDT by dforest
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To: casinva
Yep. I really care what some anonymous poster thinks about me. BTW, I am ugly, fat, relatively old and disabled. Them’s the breaks.
24 posted on 10/18/2011 3:04:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Romney has too much money to waste, if he is still going after Perry. What’s the point?


25 posted on 10/18/2011 3:11:55 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jeeze,

Romney’s really trying to give Perry a hand to keep him from sinking.

It’s his only hope right now...especially after the last round of polling in Ohio today.


26 posted on 10/18/2011 3:12:04 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope these two losers take each other out.

Nice.


27 posted on 10/18/2011 3:28:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think anything about you, just your words.


28 posted on 10/18/2011 3:36:19 PM PDT by casinva (Say "NO" to expanded federal bureaucracy and entitlements through 999 minority empowerment zones!)
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To: normy

Tonight is Perry’s night.

No I believe it will be Cain’s night. Perry is so insignificant that he will be ignored. He is getting what? 5 percent now? He should not be included in debates anymore.


29 posted on 10/18/2011 3:47:03 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
As you know, Art Laffer and I helped design the plan. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the American people and the voters do not want a national sales tax. He’s going to have to replace that national sales tax with a 9 percent payroll tax. And if you do that it’s a total winner. … I’m surprised how hostile people are to the sales tax. When we designed this plan, I thought people would go along with the 9 percent sales tax. But the point is they won’t. And why not just do a payroll tax. It’s the devil we know …

He's already beginning to crack.

30 posted on 10/18/2011 3:49:18 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

At least he has a starting point. Everyone else is just talking out their butts. I give him credit for having an idea. I don’t think 999 will be the conclusion but the fact that he at least brought something to the table is commendable.


31 posted on 10/18/2011 3:52:13 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I lived in Romney’s Mass and I’ve lived in Perry’s Texas. I left Mass for Texas because of Romney. I’ll never look back.


32 posted on 10/18/2011 3:53:39 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Where's he getting these ideas? He's not smart enough to be that stupid all by himself.)
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To: napscoordinator
Great. Your 3rd choice for President after one left you at the altar and the other tanked has an idea. Where oh where will you go next?
33 posted on 10/18/2011 3:54:53 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He'll pick your candidate Cain. What will you do?
34 posted on 10/18/2011 4:09:57 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Country Folks can survive....can you? Are you ready?)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Show me where I picked Herman Cain as my candidate for president. I’ll wait...


35 posted on 10/18/2011 4:11:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, if you didn’t I apologize for attributing that to you. I just assumed, because everyone that attacks Perry on here seems to be from the Cain camp and are generally quite nasty. NOT that you are 2ndDV..just generally.


36 posted on 10/18/2011 4:15:24 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Country Folks can survive....can you? Are you ready?)
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To: jgge
It is amazing why Romney is still obsessed attacking Perry even with lies such as this ad, when according to the polls, most pundits, and many others Perry campaign is finished. Why does not Romney attack Cain the front runner and his main rival?

It's not amazing - Romney is never going to pick up Cain, Bachmann, or Santorum supporters and donors. Never. Money spent going after those folks is wasted money.

Plus, Perry is the only one who can mount a serious advertising campaign against Romney on a national scale at this point in time. Cain maybe getting more airtime than Perry and Romney by going on all of those talkshows, morning shows, radio shows, etc., but Cain isn't going to be spending millions on nation-wide advertising going after anybody. Perry and Romney are the only two that can, and it looks like Romney has blinked and is going to go after Perry again. Perry is going to have to respond in kind or risk looking weak.
37 posted on 10/18/2011 4:45:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here's a bit of help - on which state is which... wasn't easy to see which color was which, except under CLOSE comparison!


38 posted on 10/18/2011 5:03:24 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: casinva; 2ndDivisionVet
2ndDivisionVet = The Ugly

You're being too tough on 2DV and his posts. Unless you can point me at a post of his that was really, seriously in bad taste, unfair, or otherwise objectionable in se, I haven't seen him post anything in a couple of months of reading through these Perry threads that was over the line or unfair. He opposes Rick Perry, and so do I, but there are very good reasons to do so, and I don't think it's bias or unfairness that brings me to 2DV's support.

FWIW.

Oh, and by the way, he asked you a fair hypothetical question. If Mitt Romney offers Rick Perry the VP slot on a Romney ticket, what will you Perry enthusiasts do? I've predicted for some time that that is exactly what will happen (so I have a dog in the fight), so while my "prediction" record isn't all that, it's a fair speculation, and fair to ask you about that scenario.

How about it? What will you do?

39 posted on 10/18/2011 9:01:29 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: shield; Cincinatus' Wife; patriot08; smoothsailing; hocndoc; normy; 2ndDivisionVet
Pinging .....

How about it, fangirls? Ping to my last. What will you do? Fair question, 2DV asked it, and inquiring minds want to know. How about it?

40 posted on 10/18/2011 9:05:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; casinva; shield; Cincinatus' Wife; patriot08; hocndoc; normy; 2ndDivisionVet
If Mitt Romney offers Rick Perry the VP slot on a Romney ticket, what will you Perry enthusiasts do? I've predicted for some time that that is exactly what will happen

It will never happen, Perry loathes the vile statist Romney almost as much as he loathes the vile statist Obama. 2nd DivisionVet is being his usual irrational self when it comes to all things Perry.

I can see though,lentulusgracchus, that it would please you if Romney got the nomination. You should be ashamed.

41 posted on 10/18/2011 9:36:04 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; lentulusgracchus

Yeah, me and those minor in-state tuition for illegals, pay-for-play, crony capitalism and no border fence issues. Why can’t I seem to get past such trivial matters?


42 posted on 10/18/2011 9:41:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: smoothsailing; af_vet_rr
I can see though, lentulusgracchus, that it would please you if Romney got the nomination.

What?! I've been screaming "Yacht Club!" at the top of my lungs for 10 years on FR, and now I'm going to support Mitten Man? Hell, no!

Boy, you seriously misread me on that one!

But get used to the idea of a VP offer coming Rick Perry's way, because, as af_vet_rr pointed out above, and Alan Keyes predicted six months ago, Romney plans to trap the Right but needs a Judas horse to do it, and he won't get a lot of the Bachmann, Palin, Santorum, or Cain supporters, but he has a shot at the Perry supporters and is already competing for them -- and if Romney nails down the nomination, he's going to have a GOTV problem that he can solve by offering the nod to Perry. Then Perry will have a decision to make, and I predict he'll take an offer -- Perry has weak principles anyway, and that will make it easy for him to "grow" and "rise above" his increasingly visible detestation of Mittens (I saw some debate footage tonight, and Perry looked like he was about ready to pop Willard in the mouth).

43 posted on 10/18/2011 9:51:21 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; 2ndDivisionVet

2ndDivisionVet, I agree with lent that your words are generally not plagued with name calling and bias and that there are many times that you make good comments. I made a comment to you based on your Hispanic name calling, but I don’t think you make a habit of making such actions. As I said, you have had many other good thoughts when you write, and many of your comments are right on. If I went overboard for just one small thing, please accept my apologies.

Lent, Romney and Perry or Obama and Biden? If Romney were our nominee, it would seem like we would have to vote for Romney. Sickening to have to vote for a Romney nominee, but if we DIDN’T vote for Romney if he were our nominee, then we would get Obama.

However, I don’t see why Perry would need to take a VP slot with Romney even if we had a Romney Republican nomination... if that’s what you are asking. Perry has led the Republican Governor’s Association. He’s been greatly involved in energy and also in emerging technology. He’s been very involved with pro-life groups and activities and also with religious and faith-based activities. He’s also very acquainted with law enforcement and the various aspects of homeland security. I would think Perry could make a real difference as POTUS, but I would think he could find positions and roles other than a VP to a preppy socialist pimp like Romney where he could make more of a difference for the the people of the U.S.

If we are stuck with Romney, I think Romney will be looking for someone who NEEDS him, and that would not be Governor Perry.


44 posted on 10/18/2011 9:53:38 PM PDT by casinva (Say "NO" to expanded federal bureaucracy and entitlements through 999 minority empowerment zones!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why can’t I seem to get past such trivial matters?

Yeah, where is your postmodern, metrosexual, Gen-Y flexiness? I'm so disappointed in your fuddy-duddyness. Honesty -- bosh! Who needs "honesty" when putting half a dozen Perrywinkles on FR with Marks-a-Lot will do more for your Netizen mindshare?

45 posted on 10/18/2011 9:55:08 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why can’t I seem to get past such trivial matters?

I don't know, maybe because the ones you mention are half truths and smears?

46 posted on 10/18/2011 9:56:26 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: lentulusgracchus; af_vet_rr

The idea of Romney being the Republican nominee is repugnant to me and it obviously is to Perry.

Remaining the Governor of Texas would be the route Perry would take, not being second fiddle to a vile statist asshat like Romney.

Enjoy your disgusting fantasy if you choose, I find it disgusting.


47 posted on 10/18/2011 10:10:20 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: casinva; smoothsailing
Romney and Perry or Obama and Biden?

Oh, barf! What a grisly thought -- all the more reason, then, for conservatives to close ranks behind a conservative and fight off Willard and his Armies of the Tight.

Here in Texas, there is Zero chance that Obama will carry the State under any foreseeable circumstance whatsoever, so I would have no problem voting third-party to appease my conscience and escape Romney's cynical trap. If, in such a contest, Romney carried Texas by eight votes and was locked up in recounts for four weeks or so and had to send an army of supporters down here to make sure he didn't get screwed by Sheila Jackson Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, the Zetas, and the MS-13's, that would be an okay outcome with me. Honestly. I never voted for Richard Nixon or the detached Yacht Club milquetoast George Herbert Walker Bush for the same reason. When Nixon ran, I lived and voted in Louisiana and wasn't voting strategically, but I didn't want to offer support to a guy who'd used, and then screwed, the Right in 1968. In 1988 and 1992, there was no chance whatever that Texas would go to the Democrat, so I breathed easy denying my vote to a man I despised almost as much as Ross Perot did.

Clarify much?

No vote for Willard.

48 posted on 10/18/2011 10:14:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: smoothsailing
Enjoy your disgusting fantasy if you choose, I find it disgusting.

Enjoy? I think the word I used was "grisly". But we had to look at "grisly" a few times, didn't we, when the RiNO's controlled the nomination and we were given the choice between "vile statist asshats" and "vile Alinskyite ex-SDS Manchurian-traitorous major asshats".

49 posted on 10/18/2011 10:18:34 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: smoothsailing
lentulusgracchus is definitely not a Romney fan.

And to address another point that was raised by somebody else, it's not some kind of rocket science or backroom deals why Romney isn't going after Cain.

I stand by what I said earlier, although I'll expand the list of names - any money Romney spends going after Bachmann, Cain, Paul, or Santorum is wasted money because Romney will not get many, if any, of those supporters or anybody who would lean towards those four.

What does that leave? Perry and Gingrich. Gingrich doesn't have the money to hurt Romney. Process of elimination means that Romney has to go after Perry.

It was not a coincidence that Perry and Romney were in each others face and acting like kids. They really can't touch the other candidates.
50 posted on 10/18/2011 10:22:37 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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