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Senate votes to end 'Fast and Furious' gun program
Mercury News ^ | 10-18-11 | by Andrew Taylor

Posted on 10/18/2011 2:43:08 PM PDT by library user

WASHINGTON—The Senate has voted to effectively block the Justice Department from undertaking gun-smuggling probes like the flawed "Operation Fast and Furious" program that was aimed at breaking up networks running guns to Mexican drug cartels but which lost track of hundreds of the weapons. Some of the weapons were used to commit crimes in Mexico and the U.S.

Tuesday's vote would block the government from transferring guns to drug cartels unless federal agents "continuously monitor or control" the weapons.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; atf; banglist; castaway; cia; clinton; cultureofcorruption; dea; democratscandals; dhs; doj; ericholder; fastandfurious; fbi; gungrabbers; gunrunner; gunwalker; gunwalking; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; obama; statedept
Too little, too late, Mr. Holder.
1 posted on 10/18/2011 2:43:13 PM PDT by library user
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To: library user

fast action by the senate.

/s


2 posted on 10/18/2011 2:44:49 PM PDT by ken21
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To: library user

Hurry throw it in the closet with all the other sh## we’re trying to hide


3 posted on 10/18/2011 2:45:56 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: library user

I’ll have I read the ariticle. I thought it had ended.


4 posted on 10/18/2011 2:46:40 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: library user

All I see is...

The Senate has voted to effectively block the Justice Department from undertaking gun-smuggling probes like the flawed “Operation Fast and Furious” program.

Is this probe blocked? Is that not bad.?


5 posted on 10/18/2011 2:47:10 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (2012—They vote twice— we'll vote three times.)
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To: library user

I’m pretty sure they should pass some laws preventing head shots on Dealy Plaza, you know? Or else somebody important could get shot..!


6 posted on 10/18/2011 2:47:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: library user
Senate has voted to effectively block the Justice Department from undertaking gun-smuggling probes

Am I reading this right? The Senate has stopped the DOJ from conducting a probe of Fast and Furious?
7 posted on 10/18/2011 2:47:55 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: library user

Why? It was illegal in the first place!


8 posted on 10/18/2011 2:48:56 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: library user
"...unless federal agents "continuously monitor or control" the weapons

Ummm... you mean like last time?

9 posted on 10/18/2011 2:49:40 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Cheerio

No —they’re specifically prohibiting the idiotic tactics that F&F included.

That’s nice, but it suggests some law-makers are almost as stupid as those journalists assuming that F&F was BOTCHED —in fact it worked as it was INTENDED.


10 posted on 10/18/2011 2:50:24 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Probing Holder or Probing the smuggling and the border?
this is about as vague as "is" is. Makes me wonder
if Reid knows Pelosi isn't in charge over there walking
around with a vibrating gavel anymore.
11 posted on 10/18/2011 2:51:13 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: library user

A condemnation of the program would have been better.


12 posted on 10/18/2011 2:52:16 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: library user

Senate...barn...door...horse


13 posted on 10/18/2011 2:52:26 PM PDT by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: library user; thouworm; Interesting Times; MestaMachine; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Nachum; ...

More good news on the F&F front!


14 posted on 10/18/2011 2:53:49 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: library user

Right... so I suppose Holder may now say Fast & Furious occurred before the Senate had voted to end such practices.


15 posted on 10/18/2011 2:57:59 PM PDT by drierice
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To: library user

government shouldn’t be giving gun to criminals in the first place.


16 posted on 10/18/2011 3:00:23 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: library user

“flawed”

Yeah I’ve seen that MANY times now.

It was NOT flawed. It did EXACTLY what it was meant to do.


17 posted on 10/18/2011 3:02:35 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: library user

There is no progress here until the organizations that engage in such practices are ended. However, firing all those agents would be dangerous for society and they should be, instead, imprisoned until they are past age 80 or exiled.


18 posted on 10/18/2011 3:04:26 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: hattend

And in this case the barn door is is a screen door with the mesh missing.


19 posted on 10/18/2011 3:07:14 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: library user
"...program ...which lost track of hundreds of the weapons."

What program are they talking about?

FnF did NOT lose track of any weapons!

By design and execution, FnF turned weapons loose with no provision of tracking them beyond the Mexican border.

[ The link to your article doesn't work. ]

20 posted on 10/18/2011 3:07:42 PM PDT by drpix
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To: library user
Just fine - however do not shut down the investigation. Let's go after those responsible (and that does include Eric Holder); expose everything behind it and why it began in the first place. Somehow I'm thinking it was dreamed up by a bunch of anti-gun folk inside the government demanded by their loyal anti-Second Amendment folk.

The way to shut down any opposition to governments around the world, is to take away their way to defend themselves against despots.

I'm fearing more and more, that not only Obama but many inside these unelected bureaucrats in various agencies, would like nothing more than for the American people to be unable to stand down in the face of opposition.

21 posted on 10/18/2011 3:08:08 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: library user
Dear Mr. Obama,
Your plan to demonize the Second Amendment, or even overturn it using an international treaty, cannot work any more. Fast and Furious has been exposed.

You must find another way.
Love,

Your Democrat-Controlled Senate

PS: Together we will think of something. Don't panic.

22 posted on 10/18/2011 3:09:59 PM PDT by Lazamataz (When I see pictures or videos of the Occupation, all that I see is an ocean of mostly white faces.)
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To: library user

Such courage.


23 posted on 10/18/2011 3:23:18 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: drpix; library user
Here's a link to LA Times report

Other links failed for me too.

24 posted on 10/18/2011 3:27:11 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: library user
If we can't break up the drug smuggling routes, why would we fantasize that we can break up the gun smuggling routes? Why do we pretend we don't know where the guns are going? We don't know who the higher-ups in the cartels are?

Truly, there are seriously stupid people in charge of our gubmint.

25 posted on 10/18/2011 3:32:44 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: ken21
"fast action and furious by the senate.

Just a little correction.

26 posted on 10/18/2011 3:52:16 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" - Herman Cain)
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To: library user
Fine...make sure they can't do it again. but never let up on taking them to task for that which they have already done. They have innocent blood on their hands and they must be held accountable for it.

OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS AND ERIC HOLDER

27 posted on 10/18/2011 3:55:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: library user

There should be no “IF” conditions. Stupid nonsense otherwise.


28 posted on 10/18/2011 3:58:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: library user

Good start, now start repealing some of the laws on the books. Let’s start with the sporting purpose clause of the 1968 GCA and all laws based on that. Then we can move to the NFA and Hughes Amendment. Yes, this is punitive demands for that fracked up operation. Oh, and Holder and all the upper echelon who knew and authorized this mess need to go to jail for TREASON.


29 posted on 10/18/2011 3:59:30 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: drierice
Right... so I suppose Holder may now say Fast & Furious occurred before the Senate had voted to end such practices.

He'll try. The whole thing sounds orchestrated to create the perception that everything that was done was perfectly legal, just poorly executed.

If it wasn't legal, then there wouldn't be any need for Congress to tell them not to. Now they can say it's been addressed, and we can all just "move on".

30 posted on 10/18/2011 4:04:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: library user
Another barn door closed and locked.


31 posted on 10/18/2011 4:26:14 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: library user

The Magnificent United States Senate, out front and leading by example again.


32 posted on 10/18/2011 4:29:08 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: library user

What’s next, a resolution condemning the underhanded invasion of Poland by the Nazis?


33 posted on 10/18/2011 4:32:19 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (30 yrs. ago we had Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash & Bob Hope.Now we have no jobs, no cash and no hope.)
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To: library user

anyone know the yeas and nays on this vote, was it unanimous?


34 posted on 10/18/2011 4:43:47 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

I am officially lost in space today. So is the senate.


35 posted on 10/18/2011 5:05:39 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Carry_Okie

Like lying to Congress?


36 posted on 10/18/2011 5:24:45 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: library user; LucyT; Beckwith; TigersEye
An Act of War was committed against Mexico, without the resolution of the Senate or Congress as required by the constitution.....

And this is the best the Senate could DO? We are underwhelmed!

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37 posted on 10/18/2011 6:11:19 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

The GOP are jellyfish.


38 posted on 10/18/2011 6:16:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: library user
The 99-0 vote would block the government from transferring guns to drug cartels unless federal agents "continuously monitor or control" the weapons. The amendment's sponsor, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, called the vote "just the first step towards ensuring that such a foolish operation can never be repeated by our own law enforcement."

The Justice Department has already stopped the program.

A Justice Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because Congress did not ask the department for its views, said the amendment essentially reflects DOJ policy.

"Oh what a tangle web we weave - when we SPIN IT to deceive ..."

DOJ trying to say that Congress is reflecting DOJ's policy ... HA! HA! DOJ stopped it 'cuz they fu*ked up and they knew that the details of the fiasco were gonna come out ...

As far as Congress is concerned, the 99-0 vote gives Senate Dems cover becuz this debacle ISN'T going away. It is gonna rot like a fish from the head down throughout election season.

The GOP is sittin' pretty on this now. The 99-0 vote gives them credence for their demands that the White House give up the internal documents to Congress. The Senate Dems cannot come out publicly against this 'cuz of their vote to end the program ...

39 posted on 10/18/2011 8:14:43 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Candor7

Did the august Senate get around yet to passing a law prohibiting break-ins at the Watergate Hotel?


40 posted on 10/18/2011 9:31:54 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Funny when their buddies asses are hanging out there, they move with dispatch. So tell me why can’t they produce a budget in 500 days?


41 posted on 10/19/2011 12:32:57 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: library user

Gee the senate works fast /s


42 posted on 10/19/2011 3:21:00 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: library user

43 posted on 10/19/2011 3:27:30 AM PDT by Zakeet (If it ain't broke, the Wee Wee will fix it until it is)
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To: vette6387

They haven’t passed a budget in a little over two years. Do we NEED a budget written by Dirty Harry and approved of by Evil Barry?


44 posted on 10/19/2011 3:35:34 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: library user
Some of the weapons were used to commit crimes murders in Mexico and the U.S.

Isn't that how it should read?

45 posted on 10/19/2011 5:57:15 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: tutstar
I thought it had ended.

Yes. This is the congress' way to "end" a program. They pass a law preventing any money from being expended on it. It usually works because the executive branch cannot spend any money unless appropriated by Congress. (US Constitution and a public law)This move by congress cuts off the money.

46 posted on 10/19/2011 10:30:11 AM PDT by Rapscallion (OBAMA speak his name with loathing for what he has done to America!)
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To: library user; All
http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2011/04%20April/Wechsler%2004-12-11.pdf

Has anyone else seen this? This is at least one report from the DoD that could be seen as the DoD wanting to move the war on drugs under the banner of the War on Terror. It might even be the correct thing to do if it's focus is to close down the Southern Border.

I know this is conspiracy city, but we know that the current Occupier in Chief is connect to at least two Domestic Terrorist groups, the New Black Panthers and the Weather Underground, is it that far of a stretch to come to the conclusion that Obama is arming an enemy against our own military intentionally?  

47 posted on 10/19/2011 3:05:15 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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To: library user

“Tuesday’s vote would block the government from transferring guns to drug cartels unless federal agents “continuously monitor or control” the weapons.”


So obama can continue to arm the cartels as long as the arming is “monitored.” Wonderful.


48 posted on 10/19/2011 5:47:32 PM PDT by chessplayer
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