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APNewsBreak: Suit may stop SC presidential primary
AP News ^ | 18 Oct 2011 | JIM DAVENPORT

Posted on 10/18/2011 4:40:00 PM PDT by mandaladon

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- South Carolina lacks the authority to conduct a 2012 presidential primary, according to a lawsuit filed by four counties at the state Supreme Court.

The counties, in a case filed Monday, argue a 2008 primary law doesn't apply to running a 2012 primary. They argue the state Election Commission lacks the authority to conduct the primary and enter a contract with the state Republican Party to pay for it. And they say the commission can't require counties to cover expenses for the GOP primary.

The counties said they "are on the precipice of having to expend precious public funds to conduct what is wholly a private function on behalf of a private political party."

The lawsuit names the state Election Commission and the state Republican and Democratic parties.

State GOP Executive Director Matt Moore said the primary is part of the state's law. "It's clearly written in this year's budget law that the state should be involved with the 2012 primary so any claim otherwise is wrong," Moore said. He said the primary is an important public function, not a private operation.

The litigation was filed hours after a meeting between county voting officials and the state Election Commission and caps weeks of arguments about counties getting stuck with the tab for putting on the primary.

The Supreme Court has not decided to hear the case. If it did, and ruled in the counties' favor, legislators could be forced to come into session to pass a special primary law as deadlines loom for the Jan. 21 contest. The state has to have names to put on the ballot by Nov. 1 and it has to have overseas absentee ballots in the mail by Dec. 7.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
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What the heck is going on here?
1 posted on 10/18/2011 4:40:01 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

South Carolina lacks the authority to conduct a 2012 presidential primary

Holy cow. Not a primary at all? Thank God Florida moved up their primary or we seriously would have blue states picking our candidate. If South Carolina drops out of the primary season it would not be good. What is the governor doing about this. She should be all over the media exposing this and coming up with conclusions for correcting this. She has been too quite lately anyway.


2 posted on 10/18/2011 4:42:50 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: mandaladon

Somewhere, hidden from all of us, are panicked Establishment Republicans.


3 posted on 10/18/2011 4:45:10 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Somehow I feel this is designed to hurt Cain.


4 posted on 10/18/2011 4:47:58 PM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: mandaladon

Oh Geez....Great. The state is broke so I may not get a choice in the Presidential Race......Some Freeper vote Herman Cain for me...LOL


5 posted on 10/18/2011 4:48:14 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: mandaladon
The Supreme Court has not decided to hear the case.

So let me see if I understand this correctly. A lawsuit was filed. The Supreme Court is not going to hear the case. So it is, shall we say, a moot point. Or would that be mute? ;-)

6 posted on 10/18/2011 4:48:55 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: mandaladon

Not having a primary is not going to go over well


7 posted on 10/18/2011 4:58:56 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: napscoordinator

Was SC one of the states that recently changed their date?


8 posted on 10/18/2011 4:59:41 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: napscoordinator
Republican South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley vetoed plans in the budget to use taxpayer money for the primary. She said the primary would go forward "but it should not fall on the taxpayers to cover the expense." Legislators overrode the vetoes.
9 posted on 10/18/2011 5:00:32 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: upchuck

ping


10 posted on 10/18/2011 5:01:03 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

So this thread is much ado about nothing?


11 posted on 10/18/2011 5:05:13 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“Somewhere, hidden from all of us, are panicked Establishment Republicans.”

Right on the money. This has their finger prints all over it. If they can get enough of the Thurston Howell/Karl Rove votes before the southern primaries, they and the complicit media can declare Mittens the winner before it begins.
I never thought I would see the day when the party I’ve been loyal to, held my nose and voted for, would stoop to the level of Democrats. Not to mention the all out assault they have waged on FR the last couple of weeks.
Aside from abortion, taxes, and immigration have been the driving positions we wanted from a candidate, and the only candidate even addressing these issues in this election is being attacked, not by others with better ideas, but by people arguing that we shouldn’t do anything about them. For me that certainly exposes their agenda.
It’s no wonder we got McLame last time.

I have a serious question. I was going to write a vanity post about it, but I figured I’d get flamed because I’m sure it’s been brought up before, but here goes:
If the Republican establishment sabotages us bad enough, and the Democrats wreak enough havoc on our primary process to give us Mitens against the popular will of the Conservative voters, can the delegates walk into the convention and change the presumed nominee. Isn’t it the delegates vote that counts in the end?
It would be great fun watching liberal heads explode right there on live TV.


12 posted on 10/18/2011 5:11:04 PM PDT by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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To: mandaladon

Somehow, these counties didn’t mind when they were paying for the Hillary-Obama primary in 2008 . . . .


13 posted on 10/18/2011 5:14:26 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: mandaladon

I agree. The parties should each hold and fund their own primary with their own members only.


14 posted on 10/18/2011 5:16:43 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: mandaladon; All

oh what the hell...we don’t need primaries, those things are only good for liberal states!? Stupid idiots!


15 posted on 10/18/2011 5:19:42 PM PDT by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: stylecouncilor; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
This has been talked about for some time in South Carolina.

South Carolina
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16 posted on 10/18/2011 5:33:41 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: stylecouncilor

SC ping


17 posted on 10/18/2011 5:45:30 PM PDT by onedoug (lf)
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To: rikkir

“... can the delegates walk into the convention and change the presumed nominee...”

YES!


18 posted on 10/18/2011 6:34:16 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: rikkir
If the Republican establishment sabotages us bad enough, and the Democrats wreak enough havoc on our primary process to give us Mitens against the popular will of the Conservative voters, can the delegates walk into the convention and change the presumed nominee. Isn’t it the delegates vote that counts in the end?

Rush has talked about that in the past. While that can happen in theory, in his opinion it will never happen in reality.

19 posted on 10/18/2011 6:49:06 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: BagCamAddict

“The Supreme Court has not decided to hear the case”. Hey Friend, you need to read this three times like I needed too. The Court has not decided, to or not to, hear the case. This was written to fool the reader, or just a piss pour AP writer. ;0)


20 posted on 10/18/2011 7:09:38 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed! WWW.MIKEMcCALISTERFORSENATE.COM check him out!)
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To: goodtomato

Ah, gotcha. Thanks.


21 posted on 10/18/2011 7:19:22 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: mandaladon

Here’s your answer. The GOP fix for Romney is in. Terrified of Cain’s numbers. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html


22 posted on 10/18/2011 8:06:05 PM PDT by caper gal 1
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To: mandaladon
What the heck is going on here?

I smell a well-coiffed, plastic-smiled rat.

23 posted on 10/18/2011 8:26:30 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: BagCamAddict

“has not decided to” versus “has decided not to”

:-)


24 posted on 10/18/2011 8:30:38 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: mandaladon

Who’s behind it? Rats or Rinos?


25 posted on 10/18/2011 8:48:20 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: mandaladon

http://www.999calculator.net/


26 posted on 10/18/2011 8:49:45 PM PDT by Fred (But we are never going to survive unless we get a little crazy)
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To: GeronL
" I agree. The parties should each hold and fund their own primary with their own members only. "

AND at the time of their choosing. Reddest States first, no crossovers.

27 posted on 10/18/2011 9:18:55 PM PDT by matthew fuller (9-9-9 ? Just say No! No! No!)
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To: Rocky
Who’s behind it? Rats or Rinos?

Both. There's no difference.
28 posted on 10/18/2011 9:25:08 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: rikkir
* “Somewhere, hidden from all of us, are panicked Establishment Republicans.” *

" Right on the money. This has their finger prints all over it. If they can get enough of the Thurston Howell/Karl Rove votes before the southern primaries, they and the complicit media can declare Mittens the winner before it begins. I never thought I would see the day when the party I’ve been loyal to, held my nose and voted for, would stoop to the level of Democrats. Not to mention the all out assault they have waged on FR the last couple of weeks.
Aside from abortion, taxes, and immigration have been the driving positions we wanted from a candidate, and the only candidate even addressing these issues in this election is being attacked, not by others with better ideas, but by people arguing that we shouldn’t do anything about them. For me that certainly exposes their agenda. It’s no wonder we got McLame last time. "

" I have a serious question. I was going to write a vanity post about it, but I figured I’d get flamed because I’m sure it’s been brought up before, but here goes: If the Republican establishment sabotages us bad enough, and the Democrats wreak enough havoc on our primary process to give us Mitens against the popular will of the Conservative voters, can the delegates walk into the convention and change the presumed nominee. Isn’t it the delegates vote that counts in the end? It would be great fun watching liberal heads explode right there on live TV. "

The Repuklican estab ( as in a stab in your back ) lishment are doing the same thing with Rove to Herman Cain as they trashed Christine O'Donnell. where ? she won the primary in Delaware and had to shut her down when she became a threat to them, so the same as what they are doing to Herman Cain.
Now that it looks that Herman Cain could be the one who could possible to win the nomination, they have to shut him down with lies and attacks.
29 posted on 10/18/2011 10:06:01 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: goodtomato; BagCamAddict

“The Supreme Court has not decided to hear the case”. Hey Friend, you need to read this three times like I needed too. The Court has not decided, to or not to, hear the case. This was written to fool the reader, or just a piss pour AP writer. ;0)”

+1, I also had to read it three times. But came to the same final conclusion. Could have been fixed with 4 words: “yet,” “whether,” “or” and “not.”

“The Supreme Court has not [yet] decided [whether or not] to hear the case.”


30 posted on 10/18/2011 10:55:04 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: mandaladon

31 posted on 10/18/2011 11:12:09 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance
Go Rangers!

Occupy the Hamptons!

32 posted on 10/18/2011 11:29:50 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: rikkir

The next step in the Romney GOP Establishent attempt to railroad his nomination would be to move New Hampshire’s primary into December so they could get a Romney win as momentum going into Iowa on January 3rd and Nevada (where Romney stands a chance with Mormon support) on January 14th.

Hopefully they could extinguish oppposition before Florida hits on January 31st.

South Carolina on January 21st could complicate matters.


33 posted on 10/19/2011 1:20:17 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: American Constitutionalist

When one gets into the guts of delegate selection for the GOP convention, over 500 delegates are party officials or elected officals like Senators and such. They are locked into unelected slots from their respective states.

Heck, 90 percent of them must be Romney supporters so he starts the whole process with a big jump.

The GOP (Republican National Committee) has decreed that early contests are proportional in delegate allocation and is allowing later contests in places like Connecticut and New York (RINOland) to be winner take all.

I don’t have a link handy, but search “Green Papers” and you will find a site that details the process in each party for primaries, cacucuses and delegate selection etc.


34 posted on 10/19/2011 1:33:03 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: mandaladon

Watch this. They are right.


35 posted on 10/19/2011 1:35:23 AM PDT by Rapscallion (OBAMA speak his name with loathing for what he has done to America!)
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To: mandaladon
I know our Supremes—they are laughing their robes off at this silly lawsuit.

Somebody trying to make news.

36 posted on 10/19/2011 2:55:20 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: mandaladon
Republican South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley vetoed plans in the budget to use taxpayer money for the primary.

Does the governor of South Carolina have line item veto authority? If she doesn't then this AP writer is a real airhead.

37 posted on 10/19/2011 3:50:16 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: mandaladon

This smells of Willard.


38 posted on 10/19/2011 4:02:04 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: mandaladon
What the heck is going on here?

Just liberals trying to save Obama is all, even if that means no 2012 elections ...
39 posted on 10/19/2011 4:13:59 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: mandaladon

I agree with the others, Cain is leading big time there and the GOP is trying to stop it to get their man Romney in ...


40 posted on 10/19/2011 4:17:12 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Tonytitan

I believe they do. However, the Governor’s executive authority in SC is otherwise extremely weak. SC is a state where the General Assembly holds all the power and they will fight tooth and nail at any executive-branch attempt to limit or deny it. A heavily-Republican General Assembly voting to override Haley’s veto and sticking taxpayers with the primary bill is typical.

}:-)4


41 posted on 10/19/2011 4:25:06 AM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: mandaladon

Willard does not want to lose this primary to Cain. That is what is going on here. No one else has a motive.


42 posted on 10/19/2011 4:28:48 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: caper gal 1

BUT...But...but...I thought Cain is just a stalking horse for Mitt?


43 posted on 10/19/2011 4:53:13 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JDW11235

You wouldn’t even necessarily need the “or” or “not”. Generally when using the term “whether” the “or not” is implied and redundant. You also don’t necessarily need the word “yet” as it is entirely possible the case may never reach SCOTUS. I think if you just put it as “The Supreme Court has not decided [whether] to hear the case” would be sufficiently clear. But I also don’t see anything wrong with how it is written... maybe it’s because I’ve read many court opinions in my time but that statement seems pretty clear to me that the Court just has not heard the case yet...


44 posted on 10/19/2011 6:35:47 AM PDT by wrhssaxensemble (We need an electable conservative in 2012!)
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To: Tonytitan; mandaladon
The South Carolina legislature has voted to override Gov. Nikki Haley's veto of state funding for the Republican presidential primary.
The state Senate voted for the override, 32 to 7, this evening. The House voted earlier in the day. Continue Reading
It preserves the primacy of the South Carolina primary as the gateway to the south - there had been talk of possibly creating a caucus system with Haley's veto looming - while allowing Haley to claim fiscal-conservative credentials by having nixed the government funding for it in the first place.

45 posted on 10/19/2011 6:48:54 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: BagCamAddict
The Supreme Court has not decided to hear the case.

That sentence may just have been poor wording on the author's part. It has a much different meaning than "The Supreme Court has decided not to hear the case."

46 posted on 10/19/2011 7:26:35 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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To: Antoninus; Rocky

Great answer/response. I felt the same way after wading through this BS:

“Who’s behind it? Rats or Rinos?”

’ Both. There’s no difference.’


47 posted on 10/19/2011 7:31:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I love Rush. I’m a 2 year at a time member of 24/7, and subscriber to the Letter. With all due respect to Rush, and with the very existence of our country in the balance, if Mittens gets the nomination, and it appears to be because of establishment, and Democrat tampering, then the delegates should walk into that convention and tell the National GOP to go pound sand.
After 2008, we should have fixed the whole open primary issue by now, but it’s clear now why they didn’t.
State primaries for both parties should be held on the same day, and they should be closed to anyone not registered to the party. That way if Dems want to interfere with our primary they have to sacrifice voting in theirs. And vice versa. Again all due respect to Rush, but I was never very comfortable with the “Operation Chaos” thing, and I know he was poking back at Dems who had already been doing it to us, but I always thought it was a case of too much “stooping to their level”.


48 posted on 10/19/2011 12:11:19 PM PDT by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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To: mandaladon; xzins; wmfights
The counties said they "are on the precipice of having to expend precious public funds to conduct what is wholly a private function on behalf of a private political party."

I would have to agree with the counties. If the sole purpose of the election is to pick the GOP presidential candidate and not to choose all candidates for all state and federal offices, then I would be opposed to using tax dollars to fund the election.

Unless the primary covers all potential candidates for the 2012 congressional, legislative, and senatorial races, then South Carolina has no business using tax dollars to finance this primary.

49 posted on 10/19/2011 2:34:20 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; mandaladon; betty boop; wmfights
on behalf of a private political party

This is such a great reminder!

Political parties do not appear in the US Constitution.

Political parties are not required by the US Constitution.

There is no such thing as a "2 party system" in the US Constitution.

Political parties are, as this article says, PRIVATE entities.

Great catch and analysis, P-M.

50 posted on 10/19/2011 2:40:10 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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