Posted on 10/18/2011 8:06:37 PM PDT by Kevmo
Mark Gibbs on E-Cat
October 18, 2011 2:24 P.M.
By Reihan Salam
At Network World, Mark Gibbs has a column on E-Cat, a low-energy nuclear reaction technology developed by the Italian inventor Andrea Rossi. It sounds, and most likely is, too good to be true. Gibbs projects what might unfold if E-Cat works as promised:
Let’s assume Rossi’s E-Cat works. What then?
From the demonstrated prototypes it appears that you could build E-Cats small enough to power a car or a house. Bundle a lot of them together and you could power a truck, a ship or an office block. Imagine a data center where each row of racks has its own really cheap power generator.
Now you have a world where oil only matters as a raw product for things like plastics so the oil economy as we know it could be dismantled within a few months. Production costs for anything would fall. The power grid would become obsolete. Power stations of all kinds would no longer be an environmental problem. The balance of economic power worldwide would change and, for example, OPEC would become a historical footnote.
The only risk, assuming that the E-Cat doesn’t become horribly radioactive after extended operation or produce some other kind of hazardous byproduct, could be global thermal pollution from so many power generators (if they are very cheap and not dangerous then niceties such as minimizing waste heat would be ignored).
We could see a world where ubiquitous power generation is so cheap it wouldn’t be worth metering (as a consequence, Rossi would become the wealthiest man in the world, assuming that all of the vested interests in the existing oil and power economies didn’t have him bumped off). [Emphasis added]
A public demonstration in Bologna is scheduled for the 28th of October.
As a thought experiment, it’s worth thinking through what might happen to the wold if “production costs for anything” were to markedly decrease. Might labor-intensive manufacturing in emerging economies take a hit? And if so, will this contribute to large-scale political unrest? Moreover, resource extraction is not just important to OPEC: Norway, Australia, Canada, and the United States, among many other countries, might see a pronounced internal shift of economic and political power. It’s all very intriguing.
This can’t be serious.
Your result for The Which Stupid Creature Are You Test...
You scored 5% on Usefulness, 90% loudness factor, 7% knowledgeability, and 4% on scientific method!
It sounds, and most likely is, too good to be true.
This can’t be serious.
Yes, the fact that he is saying it will be private should have had Kevmo throwing in the towel .... he promised that if Rossi didn’t come through that he would declare him a fraud too.
Kevmo as I predicted will never give this up.
Kevmo should read about confidence tricks .... even he is a confidence shill or under the influence of a confidence man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
From your article: “It sounds, and most likely is, too good to be true”
That isn’t exactly a sterling endorsement.
What was it our Mother’s told us?: “If it seems too good to be true, it probably is”
In other words, it is false with the author holding the slimmest of hopes that he is wrong and the thing will actually work. If the author had done his homework, he would have dispelled any remaining hope and not bothered writing this to his blog.
None of your writing contains valid scientific thinking. Stringing together a bunch of cliches is not solid reasoning. Proceeding from your opinion as if it were a fact is simply a sign of ignorance and lack of capacity.
If you’re so confident, and I’m such a fool, you should be jumping at the chance to take my money over this.
BTW, when did I promise such a thing about Rossi? Are you going to promise something else in return, if Rossi’s demo is successful? Or is it just a one way street?
Thanks for mooning the thread, Moonboy Seagull
I gave you my criteria .. if you had taken the bet ... which you didn’t, you would have already lost.
Do I need to put down the criteria again?
A private test is a fail ... you would have lost your money right there.
As soon as you stick your head in the weeds of “valid scientific thinking” blah blah ... you have become a mark.
That is what you are missing. Any person that wants to objectively evaluate the speaker and the context of the location and the subject matter would come to the conclusion this is a scam.
We have been over this ... you got down in the weeds and got lost.
As soon as you stick your head in the weeds of “valid scientific thinking” blah blah ... you have become a mark.
***No, I’m a scientific thinker. Which you OBVIOUSLY are not.
Any person that wants to objectively evaluate the speaker and the context of the location and the subject matter would come to the conclusion this is a scam.
***Let’s put your hypothesis to the test. SPeaker is Lee Skilling from Enron, has a past but knows financials. Location is North Pole. Lee says he has found the hidden ruins of bukabuka, worth $5B. He needs $5M to dig it out. There are 20 independent archeologists & scientists & a few bukabuka afficianados, all of whom say there’s something down there. Any person would be wary, but the presence of those independent witnesses changes your whole scenario so much that you are unable to adjust to the reality on the ground. You are unable to think inductively, your emotions about Lee Skilling’s past get in the way.
There’s still time to take my money. The test doesn’t take place until Oct 28.
Your perspective is... interesting.
Please take my money.
You are a very scintific thinker, as explained, that is what got you into trouble.
I am a logical critical thinker, before I try to even consider evaluating an article or a subject.... I evaluate the source an potential motives of the author / subject.
Then I can either put on scientific hat, a business hat or what ever I need to for considering the opinion or news piece in front.
After some fact checking and some careful consideration, I may or may not press the “I Believe” button.
For some reason, really imaginative people such as yourself, don’t have this logical process, they go right into embracing the subject and try to evaluate the details.
The Chinese have an expression. “View High Up, View Low, View on the Side, Then you understand”
I think you got the Side view covered.
Ok, I take your bet, send me your money.. you lost the bet with this blog post
I am a logical critical thinker,
***That’s funny, right there. If you were such a thinker you would have contributed to some of the logical criticism going on. But instead, I’ve caught you in dozens of logical fallacies over the past many threads.
You REALLY consider yourself a logical critical thinker? Nahh, you’re just messin’ with me, right? Here’s a hint: Logical critical thinkers evaluate the data first, then the source and potential motives of the author. You have a gigantic hole in your critical thinking process, and you cannot even see it.
Please take my money.
This person TruthConquers seems to have a square head on his/her shoulders. How about it Truth? Would you be willing to settle a FRiendly bet on LENR?
I am honored by your invitation.
I am about to hit the hay, but I seem to remember that dila83 posted this:
“Kevmo, you argued two pages of replies with me and others that this had nothing to do with cold fusion and you said cold fusion doesn’t exist....you said this is LENR not Cold Fusion. Did I refresh you memory yet?”
On this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2794833/posts?q=1&;page=1
Then also this:
“I am not going to go back researching what you have said. I know. Maybe you should keep notes.
Go back to between March and May to see it.”
Is this what the bet is about?
I will check in, in the am. Good night!
He is way off on the timing. The transition would take years, not months.
I'll bet.
I am wrong, you’re correct, it does say, “NRO’s domestic-policy blog”.
Nevertheless, this is newsworthy as I think the Ecat is a magnificent device for separating people from their money and I do want to see what the latest excuse for not running the test, not running it as long as they said they would and finally, there’s that little bit where the preheated it for what, four hours before the test? And still they didn’t run it as long as they’d advertized.
A little advice, lose the arrogant attitude and your antagonism towards other posters; it is not winning you any converts. You’re comparison between what you call logical thinking versus scientific thinking makes no sense. If anything, scientific thinking would say that this device violates the laws of thermodynamics, therefore, it is a fake.
If inventors relied on logic instead of science, we’d still be using candles and buggy whips. Besides, I’d say you’re relying on emotion and not logic or science.
We’ll see what happens next. Either he runs the test using valid parameters and accounts for all energy in (such as preheating it for four hours) and it runs over unity which will surprise me but it would be nice if it worked. OR, Rossi will once again come up with a reason for not running the tests he said he would.
My opinion, based on science is that it will not work and he will join Joseph Newman on the slag heap of the history free energy.
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