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Schools Close After Animals Escape Muskingum Co. Exotic Animal Farm. (Lions, Tigers, Bears)
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2011/10/18/zanesville-exotic-animals-escape.html ^ | Oct 18th, 2011

Posted on 10/18/2011 10:40:45 PM PDT by TaraP

ZANESVILLE, Ohio - Several schools announced that they will not have school on Wednesday after exotic animals escaped a Muskingum County animal farm.

The schools are: Maysville Local Schools, Zanesville City Schools, Foxfire Community Schools and West Muskingum Local Schools.

Police said they had shot at least 25 of at least 48 escaped exotic animals on Tuesday night.

Terry Thompson, the owner of the farm, was found dead outside of his home on the animal farm property.

Police said the fences had been left unsecured.

According to police, the animals escaped at about 6 p.m. from an animal farm near Kopchak Road.

Police would not comment on what animals escaped but said the animal farm did have lions, wolves, cheetahs, tigers, giraffes, camels, grizzly bears and black bears.

“It’s been a bad situation for a long time and the last thing we want to do is to have any of our public hurt,” said Muskingum Sheriff Matt Lutz. “No young kids should go outside tonight.”

According to police, bears and wolves had been shot and killed.

There were multiple sightings of exotic animals along Interstate 70, police said.

Muskingum Sheriff Matt Lutz said resident safety is his primary concern.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: animalfarm; bears; daktari; lions; ohio; sourcetitlenoturl; terrythompson; tigers
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1 posted on 10/18/2011 10:40:51 PM PDT by TaraP
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10/18/11 20:39 (ZANESVILLE - ) UPDATE: UP TO 48 ANIMALS MISSING FROM EXOTIC ANIMAL FARM, OSP HELI. ASSISTING. FARM OWNER FOUND DEAD ON ARRIVAL/DECEASED [OHI051]
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10/18/11 19:57 (ZANESVILLE - ) MUTIPLE LIONS, A TIGER AND A BLACK BEAR, ESCAPED AND CURRENTLY LOOSE, S/O ADVISES AVOID AREA [OHI051]
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2099


2 posted on 10/18/2011 10:41:45 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

>> MUTIPLE LIONS, A TIGER AND A BLACK BEAR

Oh my!


3 posted on 10/18/2011 10:43:51 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (q)
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To: Nervous Tick

Sheriff siad they Killed 3 Wolves and 1 Bear, Cheetahs are on the loose...

He also said they are Big Cats and Agressive...


4 posted on 10/18/2011 10:47:16 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP
He also said they are Big Cats and Agressive...

Of course he's going to say that. It gives him the excuse to go guns blazing.
5 posted on 10/18/2011 10:52:31 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: TaraP

>MUTIPLE LIONS, A TIGER

The entire country is now one big safari.


6 posted on 10/18/2011 10:53:49 PM PDT by max americana
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To: TaraP

With a season bag limit of 6 deer for that area, seems like there is plenty of prey for them to live on.


7 posted on 10/18/2011 10:54:14 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: max americana

What a perfect photo opportunity for our Deer Leader Obambi to reroute his big bus to Ohio, load his guns, and save the children by shooting...oh, never mind.


8 posted on 10/18/2011 10:58:16 PM PDT by rfp1234 (RFP's Law: Whoever blames Bush first shall lose the argument.)
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To: rfp1234

I wish Odumbo would do that, I’m rooting for the hungry lion.


9 posted on 10/18/2011 11:00:49 PM PDT by max americana
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To: TaraP

Cheetahs are very fast. Hard to shoot and kill. They could be miles away by now.


10 posted on 10/18/2011 11:01:11 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

They are fast only for very short spurts.
A good hunting dog would be able to cover more ground.
They are used to very long treks and the cats are out of shape for that sort of movement.

They need to bring in some big game people and dogs.


11 posted on 10/18/2011 11:09:20 PM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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To: TaraP
Hunters field dressing and/or dragging out their harvest will need to exercise caution.
If you see a deer carcase in a tree, find somewhere else to hunt.
12 posted on 10/18/2011 11:10:21 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: TaraP

So, did some PETA freak kill the guy and turn them loose or did the animals get loose and kill him?


13 posted on 10/18/2011 11:24:16 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: TaraP

What was that guy allowed to have all of those animals in that environment ?


14 posted on 10/18/2011 11:24:27 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: TaraP

Oh, what fun/NOT


15 posted on 10/18/2011 11:25:24 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: rawhide; TaraP
Actually, Cheetahs tire so quickly (due to huge heat buildup in their bodies and lactic acid buildup in their muscles) that force it to maintain top speed for only up to a minute. They are indeed very fast (being the fastest animal on four legs), but they are short-distance sprinters. Which is why when they hunt they need to get as close as possible to the prey, otherwise the chase will last longer than that magic minute (in many cases much less) and the cheetah will be too tired. Thus, even though they are fast there is no way they would be miles away because they simply don't have the distance. Wolves, on the other hand, run at a much slower speed (still fast, but nowhere near Cheetah fast), but they can keep that speed for ages. It is wolves that, if they keep running, could be many miles away.

As for hard to shoot and hard to kill, Cheetahs are actually quite easy to shoot and kill. In Southern Africa (parts of South Africa and Botswana) there are farmers who take them down (due to scaring their livestock and sometimes picking off young animals and sheep - cheetah are too small and weak to take down grown cattle), and they are extremely easy to shoot. Moreover, because of their light and small frames (due to speed necessities cheetahs are light and streamlined) any hit tends to be a lethal hit. Finally, because they do not hunt dangerous game (again, due to their frame and size) they do not have the tactics necessary for making them hard to hit - the cheetah strategy is basically get as close as possible to the prey (small gazelles in most cases, although two or more male cheetahs - in the rare occasions it is more than one cheetah - have been known to take down the occasional stupid to be taken down by a cheetah, and it has to be stupid, wildebeest), and once it is close enough it goes into one of the most amazing high speed chases one can see.

Now, if you are talking about cats that are hard to shoot and kill, the top candidates would be lions, tigers and leopards (with leopards being at the top of the list in terms of how hard it is to kill one, how hard it is to shoot one, and how likely it is to get you ...even though the leopard is smaller than the lion or tiger ...all three are larger than cheetahs btw). Those three cats will hit you without you seeing them, in many cases they will come from behind or from the sides at oblique angles, they will accelerate very quickly and come in low and fast, there will be no growl or roar or warning sign (unlike a cheetah which is afraid of you due to its size and will try to frighten you with growls and snarls and miaows and chirps ...yes, cheetahs miaow like housecats and chirp like birds and cannot roar ...the three big cats will not make a sound as they charge you), and by the time you know it you will have a large beast almost at you. That makes them hard to shoot. As for hard to kill, they will have such a huge upsurge of adrenalin, and already so much oxygen in their bloodstream, that big game hunters in Africa have been known to shoot leopards and lions in the heart (a lethal hit that shreds the pumping organ) but the cat still manages to make it to the shooter/hunter, bring him down, and proceed to rearrange his viscera at leisure before dying. Of the three the reason the leopard is the worst is that it is shyer and will thus immediately hide, and the only thing worse than a leopard in the bush is a wounded Cape Buffalo in the bush or a black mamba in the bed, and even then it is not certain. A leopard in the bush that is after you is guaranteed (take-it-to-the-bank guaranteed) to get you, which is why many hunters that had to take down (say wounded) leopards used to wear a 'leopard suit' (which looked like a mishmash of medieval armor) and carried shotguns (because when that streak of greased spotted lightning shoots towards you from 15 feet away you will not have time to aim a rifle). Even then, it is guaranteed to leave scars. The advantage is that you have slightly less of a chance of dying (if it is a lion coming for you, and it is within a certain distance, you are basically dead. Effective lion shooting calls for shooting the cat from a long way off in a flat savannah type of terrain, not in some thicket where the cat could be laying flat 9 feet from you and you have no idea. That's a nice way to get killed).

Anyways, if these guys shoot a cheetah just know they did it for fun. Cheetahs are virtually harmless (I've been around a number of them, including wild ones) and their bite is actually quite weak, and their claws very dull (because they cannot retract them). I would not be afraid of facing the most 'vicious' (and that is an overstatement) male cheetah alone and unarmed because, even unarmed, I would be a far greater threat to it than it would to me. They are easy to shoot, and easy to kill.

On the other hand, a tiger/lion/leopard that is up to no good is another different matter. If one of the 'brave' troopers shoots down a lion or leopard or tiger that will be very understandable, since the danger posed by them can be very real. There are some leopards in India that killed hundreds, and in Africa leopards are feared more than lions in some areas (although when lions become true man eaters rather than simply opportunists they have an almost demonic intelligence).

However ...cheetahs ...I would honestly fear your average mountain lion or an angry golden retriever to a much larger extent.

16 posted on 10/18/2011 11:27:53 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: FrogMom

Every cage was left opened...

They are not sure what happened....

48 animals escaped....


17 posted on 10/18/2011 11:28:21 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

I’ve read the guy that ran the wildlife place had a prison record. If ex-cons are not allowed to own dangerous weapons, then why was he allowed to own lions/tigers/bears. All he had to do is open cages and walk away.


18 posted on 10/18/2011 11:29:34 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: FrogMom

There are indications that this guy had a history of troubles. My guess is that he let them loose himself, and suffered the consequences.


19 posted on 10/18/2011 11:33:52 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Bobalu
Agree. I had already started writing my response (#16) before I read yours.

As for dogs ...interesting note about dogs and cats (leopards in this case). Leopards have an amazing taste for canines. In leopard territory dogs can have a very short and 'interesting' life. Actually, if dogs start disappearing in that area (and especially being found in trees) that is a sure sign that a leopard made it to freedom.

20 posted on 10/18/2011 11:35:18 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: FrogMom; TaraP; dr_lew

He opened the cages and then shot himself...his wife had walked out on him among other issues he was having.


21 posted on 10/18/2011 11:37:47 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: dr_lew

Or some PETA nutjob let them loose.


22 posted on 10/18/2011 11:38:02 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf
Or some PETA nutjob let them loose.

Nope. The owner did and then shot himself. That's the word we're getting from the locals.

23 posted on 10/18/2011 11:45:30 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: spetznaz

Very cool post, thanks.

I watched a video of a hunter taking a charging lion with a single head shot out of a .375 H&H. Despite the caliber and the excellence of the shot, it was stunning how fast the lion moved from a lying position to a charge - and the charge swerved into the brush on the side and the cat vanished, and thed leaped out of the side of the brush at full speed, totally silent. Even watching the video it was apparent the lion was literally death in motion.

The hnter had support backups, but the whole thing went so fast they were obviously useless. He aimed, the lion leaped sideways, vanished, sprung out at a dead run, he turned, fired and the lion hit the ground and skidded to his feet dead - just as fast as you can read that. If he didn’t kill it with that shot, he would have been toast.

How the Masai do it with spears is utterly beyond me.


24 posted on 10/18/2011 11:45:49 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: spetznaz

Excellent post! Yes, when I was kid I read everything written by Peter Hathaway Capstick and his works led me to many of the originals he referenced, all the infamous man-eaters of India and Africa. There are some stories that would make great movies (the excreble “Ghost and the Darkness” is the perfect way to turn a great story into hollywood swill). As I recall, it’s a mystery why leopards and lions take up man-eating. Only the tigers actually start eating people due to disability.

Actually, there is or was an extremely rare variant of the cheetah, the large dappled-rather-than-spotted King Cheetah that has been known to be dangerous. One of the great mysteries of evolution is why so few of the world’s big, toothy critters so seldom take up people-eating. It’s extremely rare for bears and almost unknown for pumas, jaguars and wolves to make actual predation attacks.

Capstick flippantly theorized that human beings may have evolved some kind of pheromonal defence that makes us smell so awful to predators that most of them prefer to run away when they catch wind of us.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 12:15:12 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: rawhide

Poor cheetahs. They aren’t so threatening or aggressive as the other species that are on the loose. Hope then can be saved.


26 posted on 10/19/2011 12:32:24 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: Havisham

Put out some tranquilizer laced Cheetos, or whatever the cheetah likes. Worst thing that happens is that some unintended animal has an unintended nap, but lives.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 1:09:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: sinanju
"Capstick flippantly theorized that human beings may have evolved some kind of pheromonal defence that makes us smell so awful to predators that most of them prefer to run away when they catch wind of us."

Or they don't bath and just stink like the Wallstreet protestors. ;-)

28 posted on 10/19/2011 1:13:39 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Talisker; sinanju
How the Masai do it with spears is utterly beyond me.

Thanks. On the Maasai (I am Kenyan, a mix of four tribes, with one of the minor ones in the mix being Maasai) the way it used to work is that there were age sets (all the boys born within a certain timeframe would be in one age set/group, then the next and so on), and once it was time for the boys to become men one of the challenges would be to bring down a lion. The young men, now called ilbarnot, would then be given the task of hunting the lion. Of the age-set, the bravest called ilmeluaya (those without fear) would then go off to hunt (obviously those not selected would be quite unhappy since it was a high insult not be deemed worthy), and off they would go. That is what is currently done nowadays among the Maasai who still hold to the traditional ways. Most hunts now (and there are many few since not many follow the traditional ways, and also because of laws prohibiting such hunts) are group hunts where a dozen or so Moran-to-be hunt a lion. In the olden days things were far ...erm ...'interesting.'

In the olden days however, ilmeluaya who really wanted to distinguish themselves as proper Moran (warriors) would do a solo hunt.

Now, the difference between a group hunt and a solo hunt is equivalent to bombing Fallujah from 10,000 feet in a F-16 versus going on foot into Fallujah, solo, with an antique Colt revolver that you borrowed from someone playing Russian Roulette with only one bullet.

Big difference.

Especially considering that you may encounter a pride of lions, or maybe a female with cubs. Or for that matter meet up with a rogue Buffalo or a young male Elephant out to ruin your day (or any one of a hundred different things out to ruin anyone who decides to disrespect what Africa can do to stupid people on any given day ...like some American tourist who decided to camp in the open in the Serengeti and got a nice visit from some friendly lions out for a snack on the other white meat ...even though he had been warned that pup tents don't belong in the savannah). Also, if you miss with your spear it is quite literally your behind (some advocated throwing the spear - and the accuracy of Maasai with spears is HARD to believe, almost magical - while others would hold onto the spear and let the lion run into it). Either way, doing a solo hunt was the bravest form of lion hunting for the bravest moran. There is a reason why Arab slavers never used to cross Maasai territory - even though they had guns. An encounter with a troop of Moran, who as men could not rationalize any thought of retreat or surrender, meant that if you had to fight you'd better kill all of them because even if there was one left he would be trying to kill you (and if you managed to kill all of them all that would happen is that the other Maasai clans would band together and instead of 20 Moran you now have a thousand). The war for Kenya's independence has a lot of story of how the Mau Mau (who were primarily Kikuyu, one of my other tribe component) fought against the British (their tactics were to learn as much from the Brits, then use those tactics against the British ...one of the skills taught to me by my grandfather was how to make a home made gun, which were used to kill a soldier and take over a proper gun ...kind of like the 'liberators' dropped by the Allies in Occupied France during WW2) ...anyways, most of the stories of Kenya's struggle for independence have to do with the Mau Mau fighting in the forests while other Kikuyus studied in Britain and came back to become politicians; but there are a lot of other stories of very strong resistance from other groups like the Maasai and the Nandi. The Maasai were fierce.

Anyways, most modern lion hunts are group activities. In the past, every now and then a Moran would do a solo hunt. They were not always successful.

By the way, if you ever find yourself alone in lion territory in East Africa, and you happen to have a Maasai moran's outfit, just wear it, carry a long stick, and no lion in Kenya or Tanzania will attack you. Actually just smear red paint (if you have to have it) on yourself (the Maasai die their hair red with ochre) ...a red head wearing a red dress would probably be lion proof. Lions generally tend to avoid them (and one of the more interesting images in Kenyan wildlife reserves is that of a lone Maasai, totally unarmed, walking across the park without any fear of any beast). It seems wildlife does have strong genetic memories on what constitutes a threat. Some images below (the first is a real Maasai lion hunt, the second is a model that shows relative sizes):


29 posted on 10/19/2011 1:20:23 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Too many spelling mistakes to count (e.g. die hair instead of dye hair, etc). Mea culpa.


30 posted on 10/19/2011 1:24:03 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“tranquilizer laced Cheetos... or whatever the Cheetah likes”

Now THAT is funny. LOL!


31 posted on 10/19/2011 3:13:30 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: randomhero97

“...He also said they are Big Cats and Agressive...

Of course he’s going to say that. It gives him the excuse to go guns blazing...”

*I* wouldn’t need *ANY* excuses with critters like that on the loose. I would shoot first, ask questions later.


32 posted on 10/19/2011 3:21:58 AM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: spetznaz
Too many spelling mistakes to count (e.g. die hair instead of dye hair, etc). Mea culpa

Don't be overly concerned about it, before today, I couldn't even spell spetznaz.

33 posted on 10/19/2011 3:43:20 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: TaraP
Oh, and by the way, the landowner was found dead also.

But the animals, the animals...

34 posted on 10/19/2011 4:06:14 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: Bobalu
They need to bring in some big game people and dogs.

Gosh I hope not. The cops will be shooting the dogs.

35 posted on 10/19/2011 4:15:13 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: TaraP

My brother is going to be thrilled.
He lives in Zanesville and a few months back he acquired a .77 caliber rifle to add to his gun collection. I made fun of him at the time and asked him if he was planning to go truck hunting, but now it may serve him well.


36 posted on 10/19/2011 4:20:22 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: spetznaz

Thanks again. Excellent post and information!


37 posted on 10/19/2011 4:46:11 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: spetznaz

Fascinating posts, Spetznaz.
They gave me goose bumps - BRRR!


38 posted on 10/19/2011 4:57:07 AM PDT by Guna
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To: rfp1234

>> What a perfect photo opportunity for our Deer Leader Obambi

ROFL! But you’re thinking of Putin, that other “dear leader”.

Putin’d be out there shooting those big cats for the cameras... with his shirt off.

Bambi, on the other hand? Bet he couldn’t hit the broad side of his campaign bus from twenty feet away.


39 posted on 10/19/2011 4:57:29 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (q)
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To: spetznaz
I believe that horses are the fastest milers.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 10/19/2011 5:37:00 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Radio reference scanner link pretty quiet.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2099


41 posted on 10/19/2011 6:35:11 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: buccaneer81; spetznaz; All

A fairly detailed report said he did open the cages, damaged them so they could not be used again, and shot himself. No suicide note found, motive not clear. Most animals killed, some caught. A local zoo wants the animals that are loose and alive, sending hunters. Said still loose were a puma, grizzly, and monkey. Later report said only 2 animals still free. They”ll probably get the grizzly, the puma might make it.

Regarding Cheetahs, so many have been killed that their gene pool has been weakened. The Florida panther (puma) has the same problem. Spetznaz, in the bushman movie, The Gods Must Be Crazy, they said that holding something above your head to look very tall/big helped to prevent attacks by big cats.


42 posted on 10/19/2011 3:44:40 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: freebird5850; spetznaz; All

Seven o’clock news, the monkey and a wolf are still loose. The Cincinnati Zoo recommends shooting the monkey as it may be carrying the Herpes B virus.


43 posted on 10/19/2011 4:30:13 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

The latest is all that’s left running around is the macacque, which is carrying Herpes B.


44 posted on 10/19/2011 4:33:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81; All

The 11 o’clock news (EDT) had a lot on people being upset at all those animals being killed. Apparently, the Bengal tigers are endangered, and they killed 18 of them. This guy had just gotten out of a year in jail. Why don’t they have a law against crimanals having the right to keep dangerous animals, are they allowed to keep dangerous weapons? Was this guy using these animals as a weapon against society? I imagine we will hear a lot more on this story.


45 posted on 10/19/2011 9:45:24 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Ohio is one of the few states with no regulations. That will not be the case within a month, I guarantee it. Jack Hanna has a meeting with Governor Kasich later today. That’s how big an impact this incident has had.


46 posted on 10/19/2011 10:03:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: gleeaikin

They think they’ve accounted for the macaque. One of the big cats apparently ate it.


47 posted on 10/19/2011 10:05:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: gleeaikin
There is some truth to that as many animals will not attack something that they believe may hurt them (because an injury in the wild means being unable to feed, and consequently a slow death). Which is why (outside the movies) most advice (say against a bear) is to make yourself as large as you can and then slowly backoff unthreateningly. Thus, the strategy can work.

However, let me turn that on it's head a bit. In two ways.

The first is that big cats will normally attack animals that are larger. For instance favorite prey for lions includes cape buffalo (and a cape buffalo is not only a large buster but it is also the second meanest animal I know of - with the meanest being the hippo, which is the one animal I am scared to death of, long story, and also the mammal that kills the most people). Lions take down buffalo all the time, and there is one pride of lions that specializes in elephant (yes, you read that right). Thus a human being raising their hands high to fend off a lion attack by appearing larger BETTER be praying hard while doing that.

My second point regards whether the lion was startled, whether it was actively stalking you, whether you just interrupted an afternoon nap, whether it is a lioness with cubs, whether it is a maneater, etc. Very many variables, down to even the time of day or whether it is in a foul mood because of biting flies ....etc etc etc. If the lion is a maneater then you're sh!t out of luck, because it will be after you, has most probably experienced firearms and thus knows what NOT to do, and your survival chances are low (maneaters are hard to kill since they seem to almost think). If it is an opportunistic lion then it may work (in India some workers fishing around mangrove swamps in one area wear masks with painted on faces at the back of their heads since many tiger attacks occur from the back - this simple strategy has stopped some attacks, but it only works against opportunistic tigers - against a TRUE maneater it will do absolutely nothig). In Africa maneaters have been known to walk through herds of sheep just to get to the person in the middle (in the olden days people would stay near their flocks), and if you want to read an interesting story read the true tale of the Man Eaters of Tsavo (two lions in Kenya that were simply making a mockery of British attempts to kill them. Reading that, as well as similar stories about killer tigers in India and Leopards on both continents, will make you see what I mean about maneaters being able to actually PLAN. I know that sounds silly and 'supertitious' rambling from Africa and India, but order the book from Amazon or check it out from the net, and you tell me that is not planning from an animal! Actually, go to YouTube and see how a pride of lions coordinates an attack on buffalo where, after a series of growls to each other, the pride will split with one or two driving the herd towards the main team that is waiting in ambush, with several targets in the herd selected). Anyways, if it is a maneater you can make yourself 10 feet tall and it will still kill you and eat you (most people don't ever think about being eaten lol).

Anyways, it CAN work and if you ever find yourself in that unfortunate situation (that you need to use it) try it. It will probably work. However, if it is a maneater (or a lion that is either very hungry or protecting cubs) you are dead. :)

48 posted on 10/19/2011 10:42:40 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: ransomnote
I’ve read the guy that ran the wildlife place had a prison record.

The reason the guy "had a prison record" is because he had a mistaken notion that the original intent of the Founders was that peasants could have the same weaponry as the military...

They threw the guy in jail because he had "machine guns" and "a sniper rifle".

49 posted on 10/20/2011 11:56:24 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: spetznaz; All

Thank you for your detailed explanation. At 73, it is unlikely that if I ever get to Africa I will be out where the lions roam. Here is a real story about an encounter with a black bear in an Adirondack Park camp site.

I and my husband, 2 children 3 and 6, and another couple were camping and cooking dinner at one table and fireplace. Our food was in bags at another table. The night before we had cut branches from two small pine trees for kindling. Suddenly my husband yelled, “Hey, that’s our food.” As I looked up he grabbed the large pine trunk and started after the large black bear that was trotting off with a food bag in his mouth. The other man picked up the other pine trunk and followed him. I thrust the children toward the other woman and told her to take them in the other direction. I ran to the car and pulled out a 38 hidden inside and ran toward the men and bear while thinking very hard about what I would do if it had my husband in its grasp. I decided I would run up and put a bullet in its ear to avoid hitting my husband or merely wounding the bear and making it mad. Fortunately, the bear dropped the bag and ran off.

That night I slept in the tent with the gun under my pillow. Early dawn I heard yelling from the next camp site where people had camped after we went to bed. A man was yelling, “Get out of here, this is my place.” We went back to sleep and they were gone when we got up. The mosquito screen around their picnic table had been ripped to shreds and left behind. That day the Ranger told us this was Napper, who was just a Yogi type bear and not to worry.

NOTE, never leave food in tent or not locked in car when camping. Out west, I hear grizzlies can even break into cars and trailers.


50 posted on 10/20/2011 12:07:36 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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