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Retiring 'Fighting Sioux' nickname may cost $750,000
pioneer press ^ | 10-19-11 | Chuck Haga

Posted on 10/19/2011 5:33:10 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

UND officials have estimated the cost of retiring the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo at nearly $750,000, not counting the cost of changes that may occur at the privately-held Ralph Engelstad Arena.

University President Robert Kelley sent the estimates last week to a budget analyst and auditor with the North Dakota Legislative Council, in response to a request made by Rep. Mike Schatz, R-New England.

Schatz, who has declared that he will not support an attempt in next month's special legislative session to clear the way for retirement of the name and logo, said he asked for the cost information so he could attach a fiscal note to any bill contemplating that action.

"I wanted all the legislators to know the figures that the president estimated it would cost," Schatz said Tuesday. "I think that's been left out of the conversation so far."

The bulk of Kelley's cost estimate is $575,000 to develop a new nickname and logo, counting research, development, branding and launching. That also would include logo redesigns for special groups, such as Sioux Kids Club and Sioux Crew.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; cost; hypersensative; logo; ncaa; nd; ndsu; pc; politicallycorrect; sioux; siouxnation
If it costs a trillion, it's all worth it to be politically correct...(sarc)
1 posted on 10/19/2011 5:33:12 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB
These names came about at a time when we were trying to preserve the heritage of the indians.

So.....Begone....All Indian references....by your own foolishness. That is your history!!

2 posted on 10/19/2011 5:42:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

If we get rid of all Indian names, half the cities in America will become nameless.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 5:51:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Sacajaweau
The intention of the proponents of this venture is to help build a base of understanding that Indians never existed, or if they were, they weren't any different than anybody else.

Following on that they will attack the special considerations Indians have ~ and will bust up and sell the reservations!

I don't care what the deal is when you hear white folks telling us how they are being sensitive to the Indians that always means they are getting ready to steal Indian lands!

4 posted on 10/19/2011 5:59:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sacajaweau

I recall that the local Sioux tribe supported the continued use of the “Fighting Sioux” mascot/logo. Apparently that makes no difference to the racially hyper-sensitive who are pushing this agenda. Where does it all end?


5 posted on 10/19/2011 6:01:48 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
[sarc] Perhaps we should retire and strip away all of these offensive references: Dakota, Mississippi, Illinois, Topeka, Milwaukee, and indirect references from the Kansa and the Ioway. Then we could rename these places with the right politically correct names. Missouri can be Political District #24 and Tulsa can be Work Camp #212. Ahhh. Paradise! And no one has their feelings hurt. [now get back to work!]
6 posted on 10/19/2011 6:02:31 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Did the “Fighting Irish” get retired?


7 posted on 10/19/2011 6:03:04 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Just get some whiteout and make it “Fighting S_u_x”. Shouldn’t cost more than 30 bucks.


8 posted on 10/19/2011 6:09:52 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Some new names for them to consider:

The Terriffic Twinkies
The Mighty Muffins
The Sweet Honey Buns [that might have ‘other’ implications]
The Cheerful Cup Cakes


9 posted on 10/19/2011 6:10:47 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Would they be happier with the “Surrendering, Gay Sioux”?


10 posted on 10/19/2011 6:10:52 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Tallguy

Sale of the reservations ~ that’s where it always ends.


11 posted on 10/19/2011 6:20:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WKUHilltopper

Very, very funny!

As for me, I demand that any school mascot who references a Scottsman be renamed.

Hoot Mon!


12 posted on 10/19/2011 6:21:17 AM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Perhaps with the oil boom going on in ND, UND should be called, the UND “Frackers”.


13 posted on 10/19/2011 6:28:18 AM PDT by Patron92
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To: WOBBLY BOB

When Miami University in Ohio was pressured to change its nickname from the Redskins, I suggested that they just change the university’s name too so that the Miami tribe would be forgotten completely. Odd, that plan wasn’t appreciated. My other suggestion was that the name be changed from the Redskins to the Drunken Frat Boys because you are far more likely to run into those on a weekend that any Indians.


14 posted on 10/19/2011 6:29:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
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To: KarlInOhio

Englestad saw this coming so he had the logo built into the infrastructure every 10 feet.


15 posted on 10/19/2011 6:32:50 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Are members of the various Lakota tribes offended or is this just the concern of the politically correct crowd? I expect that soon this idiocy will expand with groups like PETA demanding an end to sports teams named Lions, Tigers, Bears etc.?


16 posted on 10/19/2011 6:33:15 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We can rename them all after famous communists. Maoville. Stalinville, Checrossing.


17 posted on 10/19/2011 6:35:54 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

What’s sad here is that it is entirely the work of political busy-bodies and uber-Libs at the NCAA. The portrayal of a Fighting Sioux in the UND logo is actually flattering and noble, and most Sioux seem to actually support the nickname.

If they had a right to be upset about anything it would be that hideous Chief Wahoo logo used by the Cleveland Indians.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 6:40:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: The Great RJ

Here’s the solution -
they set up a fund with a goal of the $750,000.

Those who are “concerned” may contribute to this fund,
and when it reaches the goal, the renaming can begin.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 6:40:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Sioux City is SUX...


20 posted on 10/19/2011 6:46:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: massgopguy

Yeah, as I recall he also said he’d significantly restrict the use of the arena if that nickname changed.

Never understood why to avoid NCAA sanction and at the same time screw them, the school didn’t change the name to the “the fighting sue” and have a lawyer as their mascot. Far more scary than any old Injun anyway, and even if it is an odd name, it’s not any worse than the Cardinal (a color) or the Banana Slugs.

As to the Redskins mascot that seems to be on its way to discard everywhere, seemed to me an easy transition that didn’t even require a name change. Just have a tourist with a white-zinced nose as your mascot. Loud shirt, camera, sunglasses, red sunburnt skin, you could even have new cheers incorporating stock tourist phrases like:

“Where’s the bathroom?!?!”
“We missed the turn, Martha!”
“Say cheese!”


21 posted on 10/19/2011 6:49:03 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Ask the entire Souix Nation. If they say dump then do it, if they say keep it then tell the NCAA to stuff it and to SHUT UP.


22 posted on 10/19/2011 6:51:02 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: The Great RJ

end to sports teams named Lions, Tigers, Bears - Oh my!


23 posted on 10/19/2011 6:51:27 AM PDT by Dacula (When life gives you lemons, make apple juice and have people wonder how the hell you did it.)
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To: The Great RJ
The logo was designed by a Bennet Brien, a noted American Indian artist and sculptor, whom I have met.

It is not cartoon-cute, and is not demeaning in any way.

The Spirit Lake Sioux have been pretty aggravated--but not over the nickname, they are mad that it is being 'forcibly retired'. Check out the articles Spirit Lake Sioux committee warns of ‘severe’ consequences if nickname goes and here and the website www.savethefightingsioux.com

24 posted on 10/19/2011 7:02:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Francis McClobber
As for me, I demand that any school mascot who references a Scottsman be renamed.

I presume that list would begin with the Carnegie-Mellon University Tartans. How about alternatives?

the Bytes
the Fighting Foreign Students
the Leftist Actors
the Arrogants
the Big Student Loan
the Tarts
etc.
25 posted on 10/19/2011 7:04:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Patron92

I like it!

Fighting Frackers!


26 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:06 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: massgopguy

around 2000 logos plastered everywhere.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 7:58:23 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: The Great RJ

GRAND FORKS, N.D. (AP) – The artist who created the University of North Dakota’s current Fighting Sioux logo says he is proud of it and disappointed by its imminent demise but that life goes on .Bennett Brien, a Chippewa Indian who created the current Fighting Sioux logo for the University of North Dakota, says the politically correct crowd has “misinterpreted” what it symbolizes.”
“There are so many other problems we’ve got, real problems. Why spend all your energy on this?” Bennett Brien told the Grand Forks Herald.
Brien, who is Chippewa, created the American Indian head emblem for UND in 1999, when controversy over the school’s nickname was heating up and critics objected to earlier logos they found to be demeaning.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2011-08-24/Artist-who-created-Fighting-Sioux-logo-sounds-off/50121630/1

nothing will satisfy the leftist moonbat PC bedwetters.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 7:59:03 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Buckeye McFrog

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/2005-09-27-sioux-arena_x.htm

29 posted on 10/19/2011 8:06:21 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: LibertarianInExile

Cardinal is also a bird. My HS was nicknamed the Cardinals.


30 posted on 10/19/2011 10:09:38 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
"Cardinal is also a bird. My HS was nicknamed the Cardinals."

It's not a bird in the one instance it is used. The "Cardinals" are not the same as the Stanford Cardinal. See http://www.gostanford.com/school-bio/stan-nickname-mascot.html

Interesting that given the thread topic, the Cardinal name was only revived after Stanford booted its own Indian mascot (I didn't know that before reading the link myself).

Anyway, I still think Ole Miss lost out by not taking Akbar when they had the opportunity.


31 posted on 10/19/2011 4:48:45 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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