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Rick Perry's Support for a Flat Tax Cheers Steve Forbes (Forbes, Gramm advising Perry)
WSJ ^ | Oct 19, 2011 | John D. McKinnon

Posted on 10/19/2011 7:22:00 PM PDT by Clairity

Rick Perry's embrace of a flat tax makes the tough-talking Texas governor the unlikely political heir to Steve Forbes, the nerdy publisher and erstwhile presidential candidate.

Mr. Forbes, who ran in 1996 and 2000 and now is advising the Perry camp, said that the "concept remains the same" as his own flat tax plan from the 1990s.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: flattax; forbes; heartless; perry; perryastroturfing; perrybot; taxes
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Perry Says He Backs Flat Tax, Drawing a Contrast With Romney

"Besides Mr. Forbes's plan, several other Republican leaders like Phil Gramm (also now advising Mr. Perry, according to Mr. Forbes) and Dick Armey have proposed their own versions over the years but with little traction.

Grover Norquist, the founder of Americans for Tax Reform, an influential conservative group, said all the candidates were moving toward a flatter tax structure. "Now it's a consensus position in the center-right," he said, compared with 15 years ago, when Mr. Forbes's plan was attacked by other Republican candidates.

1 posted on 10/19/2011 7:22:05 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: shield

Perry ping


2 posted on 10/19/2011 7:22:39 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

Perry/Rubio 2012.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 7:23:53 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Has Perry given any indication of a VP? Rubio works for me.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 7:28:13 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (2012—They vote twice— we'll vote three times.)
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To: Clairity

What is this, two weeks in a row where Perry releases a major plan after a debate? It is smart thinking though, there’s a lot less you have to defend if you release major plans after a debate, and Perry has a month or so until the next debate.


5 posted on 10/19/2011 7:28:46 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Clairity
Are we talking about a flat tax that is an income tax? Some sort of ostensible non-progressive form?

If so, then no thanks!

To me, that is a half-assed solution which still preserves the most Tyrannical form of taxation ever imposed on a Free people.

The federal income tax, in whatever form, and the IRS, should be eliminated altogether. Sorry if that makes me some kind of raving extremist. So be it.

6 posted on 10/19/2011 7:29:28 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Clairity

"Mr. Forbes cites the growing list of countries that have moved to the flat tax as one reason for the surge of interest in the U.S. The flat tax has been especially prevalent in the emerging countries of the former Soviet bloc. The lackluster U.S. economy is adding further to the urgency. Supporters of the flat tax – including many conservatives – believe it would accelerate growth by making the tax climate more business-friendly"


7 posted on 10/19/2011 7:30:02 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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Perry Ping....

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8 posted on 10/19/2011 7:31:10 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity

” Drawing A Contrast With Romney “

Can’t you just see Romney Come Lately saying in the next debate
“ Of course I support a flat tax ! “


9 posted on 10/19/2011 7:33:47 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: isthisnickcool
Perry/Rubio 2012.

Would be a great ticket but Rubio said he was not interested in VP, maybe he will change his mind.

Perry/Palin?

10 posted on 10/19/2011 7:34:18 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: shield

That’s what I prefer, the flat tax. I sure hope it gets some traction this go-round.


11 posted on 10/19/2011 7:34:35 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: Clairity

I’m glad he supports it, but I’d like to see him make it the centerpiece of his campaign. This is why Cain is making such a big run — most conservatives consider progressive [bracket] taxation and the tax code in general to be a complete abomination. ...which of course it is. (It’s the VAT part of Cain’s plan that’s the problem, not the flat tax part). I’d also like to see Perry emphasize that the estate tax is killing small businesses, and vow to eliminate it.


12 posted on 10/19/2011 7:35:45 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: shield

13 posted on 10/19/2011 7:40:32 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: af_vet_rr
No serious person running for President must release a major plan on any issue in a 30 seconds sound bite within a debate format. Many folks are really cheapening the Presidency by being so obsessed with debates.

Presidents do not and must not govern in 30 seconds sound bites and 3 seconds zingers.

Seriously folks, stop the insane overrating of the importance of debates.

14 posted on 10/19/2011 7:41:13 PM PDT by jgge
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15 posted on 10/19/2011 7:41:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: shield

16 posted on 10/19/2011 7:41:33 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Mr. Mojo

Perry seems to now be stealing stuff from other candidates. I guess he figures that 9-9-9 got Cain to the top - he might as well steal the idea from him and try to climb back out of the abyss.

Perry is a typical establishment politician. He is now trying to morph into something popular since he has been outed for the fake he really is.

Tea Party folks won’t buy what he is trying to sell.


17 posted on 10/19/2011 7:43:23 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: Clairity

Steve Forbes? Interesting . . .didn’t Herman Cain endorse him in the 2000 GOP primaries?

flat tax > 999, hands down


18 posted on 10/19/2011 7:43:50 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: CSI007

9-9-9 is totally different than a flat tax. A flat tax would be better.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 7:44:59 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Clairity

Rick Perry has to step up his game and this helps a lot


20 posted on 10/19/2011 7:48:37 PM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I understand they are different but they are not that different. Perry is trying to so-opt this position since it worked so well for Cain. It’s obvious what he is trying to do here.


21 posted on 10/19/2011 7:50:11 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: CSI007

Maybe you should read the article and learn something, or at read the excerpt posted:

“Mr. Forbes, who ran in 1996 and 2000 and now is advising the Perry camp, said that the “concept remains the same” as his own flat tax plan from the 1990s.”


22 posted on 10/19/2011 7:50:43 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: CSI007

Perry is scary...free tuition for illegals and he backed Al Gore...has he really done a 380?


23 posted on 10/19/2011 7:51:26 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: jgge

So you’re okay with Perry entering the race unprepared? It would certainly explain a lot about Perry.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:14 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Clairity

I have learned something. Perry is a fraud. An establishment republican/life long politician in a conservatives clothes if you will.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 7:53:23 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: Minus_The_Bear

A flat income tax is better than 9 9 9 because 9 9 9 gives Democrat lib/commies/socialists a new toy, a national sales tax to jack up the way they do in Europe with the VAT tax


26 posted on 10/19/2011 7:53:53 PM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: Clairity

Perry’s comng back, lookout Mitt!


27 posted on 10/19/2011 7:55:17 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: sargon
Are we talking about a flat tax that is an income tax? Some sort of ostensible non-progressive form? If so, then no thanks!

He hasn't even come out with the plan yet. How about not jumping to conclusions. Patience is a virtue :-)

28 posted on 10/19/2011 7:55:49 PM PDT by Texan
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To: jgge

You are absolutely correct. In addition these are not “real” debates.


29 posted on 10/19/2011 7:56:20 PM PDT by ImpBill (196th Light Infantry Brigade - DaNang PhuBai/Hue - Little "r" republican!)
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To: katiedidit1

I wonder if we will have to wait a few days after the next debate for Perry to release his next stolen plan.

We had to wait for his energy plan which he basically ripped outta Sarah’s playbook.

And then we had to wait til after this debate for him to bastardize Cain’s tax plan and call it his own.

This guy has no shame.


30 posted on 10/19/2011 7:56:33 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: CSI007

No the problem was that 9-9-9 was a hastily thrown together plan that Cain never even could defend or explain himself. This is a long primary.’spring is when we get out candidate not Oct. Because a salesman throws out a bad tax plan and nothing else. This is not just a personality contest.


31 posted on 10/19/2011 7:58:07 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: dennisw

You people are delusional.

Any tax can be altered to suit the party in charge. If this flat tax “idea” of Perry’s and I use the word idea very loosely here since he is trying to take credit for someone elses idea. We are going to likely get a flat tax around 18% or more on income. When the dems want to raise it they will with little fanfare.

Cains tax plan is not a VAT and will never be a VAT.

VATs are cumulative. Cains 9-9-9 is not a cumulative tax.


32 posted on 10/19/2011 8:00:30 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: CSI007

Perry did not steal Cain’s plan. That is lame. If Perry stole Cain’s plan then Cain stole Forbes’s plan and Forbes is advising Perry


33 posted on 10/19/2011 8:00:43 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: katiedidit1
...free tuition for illegals

No matter what the facts are, no matter how many times it's been said, some people just refuse to acknowledge the truth that in-state tuition for illegals is not FREE tuition. But then they'd have to use something else to bash Perry with. You're not convincing anybody and are wasting our time and yours.

Why not pick one of the legitimate bashing points. Every one of the candidates have some.

34 posted on 10/19/2011 8:06:29 PM PDT by Texan
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To: CSI007

The European VAT is close enough to a national sales tax. No way do I want either in the IRS Federales tool kit

And with all the state sales taxes....you add a Federale sales tax making sales taxes 15-20% and you will have widespread cheating. You will have to hire tens of thousands of new IRS Federales to enforce it

State sales taxes are widely cheated on and states have a hundred’s of thousands of tax agents trying to collect them


35 posted on 10/19/2011 8:07:03 PM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: normy

Your missing the point. Perry is trying to morph now and use Cains premise for tax reform to get votes.

Perry’s campaign is in shambles and he is doing what any establishment politician would do - morph into something else that might work for him. His internal polling probably shows that in general Cains tax plan is a huge success among tea party and conservative members.

Fortunately for us and the REAL conservatives of this country see through what Perry is trying to do and see him for the fraud he really is.


36 posted on 10/19/2011 8:07:15 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: dennisw

“The European VAT is close enough to a national sales tax.”

That is bull crap and is an out right falsehood.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 8:08:41 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: Clairity

“Mr. Forbes’s plan was attacked by other Republican candidates.”

I don’t remember it that way. I remember Forbes was just an incredibly uncharismatic guy and while he’d hoped to get traction with that issue, got none.


38 posted on 10/19/2011 8:09:51 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: Clairity

Thanks for this post. Little kernels from the past are often found in these articles, for example:

” - - - Mr. Romney has previously been critical of a flat-tax system, including in newspaper advertisements he took out in 1996 as a “concerned citizen” in which he argued that the Forbes tax plan was a “tax cut for fat cats.”

Willy-Rom-Rom-RINO, you haven’t fooled us a bit. It is however, nice to have your thoughts recorded on your opinion of the pursuit of achieving financial independence in America.

BTW, aren’t you a “Fat Cat” now? Does this mean that you do not like yourself, or just the American Dream of financial independence?


39 posted on 10/19/2011 8:11:36 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: Clairity

Any new tax system must require contribution from all, even if it is miniscule.

Quoting the real One, “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

It is imperative that all Americans feel invested in the government and ownership of its actions. Otherwise, as now, those who do not contribute will just demand more and more from those who do.

It’s a whole ‘nuther ballgame when government is spending YOUR money and when more programs mean more from you.


40 posted on 10/19/2011 8:12:57 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: CSI007

You got emotionally involved. This is a long campaign. Cain has 1 plan but it was full of holes. He now is dropping the tax for the “economically disadvantaged” which kills Cain and his plans appeal. This is not a personality contest. It was clear Cain couldn’t even explain his plan that is now been changed.


41 posted on 10/19/2011 8:14:41 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: CSI007

You got emotionally involved. This is a long campaign. Cain has 1 plan but it was full of holes. He now is dropping the tax for the “economically disadvantaged” which kills Cain and his plans appeal. This is not a personality contest. It was clear Cain couldn’t even explain his plan that is now been changed.


42 posted on 10/19/2011 8:14:41 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: CSI007

Europe's VAT Lessons - WSJ.com

online.wsj.com/.../SB1000142405270230419800457517219062052...
Apr 15, 2010 – A VAT is essentially a national sales tax that is assessed at each stage of ... or because of them, revenues won't come close to paying for the ...

 

Value Added Tax is Wrong for the United States

www.heritage.org/.../the-value-added-tax-is-wrong-for-the-united-sta...
Dec 21, 2010 – A sales tax and a VAT designed to raise equal amounts of revenue would raise ... operational national retail sales tax in the form of a VAT would make good sense. .... European countries have a long history of administering the VAT, but ... for a VAT large enough to close massive current and future deficits. ...

 

 


43 posted on 10/19/2011 8:14:55 PM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: AdamBomb

LOL - If ‘Dork’ were a planet, John Kerry would be its Supreme Ruler for Life.


44 posted on 10/19/2011 8:15:02 PM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin & Sowell do.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Rubio is a tea party darling but not interested in national sovereignty insofar as defending our borders is concerned—his reaction to the Arizona law was immediately condemnatory.


45 posted on 10/19/2011 8:16:31 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: normy

It was clear Cain couldn’t even explain his plan that is now been changed.>>>>>>

He is over the hill. Had cancer scare. His best years are behind him and were spent at God Fathers Pizza. Perry and Romney are still in good health


46 posted on 10/19/2011 8:18:41 PM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: CSI007
Tea Party folks won’t buy what he is trying to sell.

You can only speak for yourself. You shouldn't presume to speak for the tea party.

47 posted on 10/19/2011 8:19:20 PM PDT by Texan
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To: Clairity
I'd love to see the attempt at a discussion between Steve Forbes and Rick Perry; there's only about an 80 point difference in their IQs.
48 posted on 10/19/2011 8:19:47 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: jgge

In other words just shut up and get on Perry’s wagon. GFY.


49 posted on 10/19/2011 8:20:14 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: normy

Who are you kidding? I don’t support any candidate yet. I am firmly against Romney and Perry though because neither is what they claim to be. Far from it.


50 posted on 10/19/2011 8:23:21 PM PDT by CSI007
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