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Help Me Figure Out The Candidates

Posted on 10/19/2011 8:33:30 PM PDT by NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Realizing my assessments of these candidates are of no value to anyone but myself I ask for some help with your opinions. They will be greatly appreciated. I have watched all of the debates and done reading a plenty.

I’ll take them in alphabetical order, here are my assessments, tell me where I’m wrong:

Bachmann
I wish I new more about her, very little information available. She does not strike me a quick witted and when she tries to be she says foolish things like the 9% tax could rise to 90%. Now if she was to have said it could rise to 12 or 15 percent it would have been believable.

Cain
He changes his position like we change our shorts, daily. I would hate to go to the movies with this guy, by the time he decided on what seat to sit in the movie would be over. Cain is probably the only candidate we have that Obama would beat in a debate. Cain has little experience and when he tries to improvise he is terrible.

Gingrich
Now here is a man that is very quick witted and when he does so he makes sense. Until the last debate he was never caught with his drawers down. But apparently he is loaded down with personal baggage and has an extremely extravagant wife.

Huntsman
I’m sure Obama and the Chinese love this guy. I see phony all the way.

Paul
I like his positions on a lot of things but he appears too soft on having a strong military. I agree with him on bringing the troops home immediately and getting our troops out of all those foreign lands that either don’t need us or don’t want us there.

Perry
Man, this guy went at Romney like a grizzly bear with a sore tooth. I like his spunk but when it comes to illegal aliens he has not a clue. Comparing an illegal alien working in a landscaping company to $100,000 handouts to illegals is ludicrous. Someone stick a fork in this man – he is done.

Romney
I can tell by the tone on this website this man is not liked one bit. There is not enough meat left on this man to stick a fork in, you would be hard pressed to find enough meat left to make a stew.

Santorum
This man is the opposite of Paul when it comes to our military foreign presence. He hasn’t figured out yet that Muslims hate Christians. He would keep us in Afghanistan and Iraq until these Muslims cut every one of our heads off.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2012candidates; chat; troll; vanity

1 posted on 10/19/2011 8:33:33 PM PDT by NoMoreCareerPoliticians
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Cain. He changes his position like we change our shorts, daily.

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you must be watching a different movie.


2 posted on 10/19/2011 8:35:24 PM PDT by ken21
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

I see you’re new here.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 8:37:32 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: ken21

The most damaged candidate is the strongest, most experienced guy. Newt. The rest, especially Romney, are vulnerable to attack. Not the best raft of candidates. Is there anybody in the wings???


4 posted on 10/19/2011 8:40:26 PM PDT by shankbear (Bush's fault......that is more in bad taste than my old tag line........)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
Cain is probably the only candidate we have that Obama would beat in a debate.

You must be a Libertarian, what have you been smoking?

5 posted on 10/19/2011 8:41:39 PM PDT by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Glad to help.

In 11-2012, which one of these Candidates will YOU choose to balance your future grandchildren’s Federal Debtbooks?


6 posted on 10/19/2011 8:43:03 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
Cain and Bachmann are solid conservatives, Santorum mostly so. Bachmann is, in fact, intelligent. She showed very bad judgment, however, in hiring liberal Ed Rollins.

Many conservatives trust Cain because of his consistent conservatism and business experience.

Gingrich has been all over the map politically. His private life is undisciplined at best.

Romney and Perry are completely unprincipled, say anything, do anything types. Romney has multiplied his inherited wealth, but his business acumen is overrated.

Paul and Huntsman are not worthy of comment.

7 posted on 10/19/2011 8:46:36 PM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: ken21
NoMoreCareerPoliticians
Since Oct 15, 2011

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A retread?

8 posted on 10/19/2011 8:46:45 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: South40

report to admin.


9 posted on 10/19/2011 8:47:57 PM PDT by ken21
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To: ken21

Naaa...let him/her pretend we don’t get it.


10 posted on 10/19/2011 8:49:19 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

To say Cain has little experience, shows what little you actually know........


11 posted on 10/19/2011 8:49:42 PM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
Perry...to $100,000 handouts to illegals is ludicrous.

Welcome aboard!

I guess you must be referring to the greatly-exaggerated 'in-state for illegal aliens' controversy. Hopefully, I can provide some clarity, but if not, please feel free to research the Texas law passed in the 77th legislature.

The law simply provides that a person who has been a resident of the State of Texas for 3 years (presumably paying State Sales Tax and State Property Tax which fund state education) will be granted in-state tuition rates regardless of what the yahoos in Washington D.C. call them.

Anybody qualifies for this, move to Texas for 3 years, pay the taxes, get in-state tuition.

I hope this helps.

12 posted on 10/19/2011 8:50:12 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

IBTZ


13 posted on 10/19/2011 8:54:50 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: iowamark

I disagree with your assessment of Perry —going down the list (guns, abortion, gay marriage, environment, federal regulation, 10th amendment support), Perry’s track record is further to the right than anyone else’s talking points.

Perry’s baggage (Gardasil, Trans-Texas Corridor, “heartless”) merely reflect that he is not ‘perfect’.

In-state tuition for people who have resided in and paid taxes to Texas for 3 years is NOT AN ISSUE. It is something that Romneybots throw out there to dissuade voters from the fact the Perry is still the one PROVEN conservative in this race.


14 posted on 10/19/2011 8:58:14 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Bachmann is smart and a rising star. needs more time. Perry may be on meds or something for his back. Whatever it is he had a promising start but has fizzled out sort of like a 2011 version of Fred Thompson. He’s a good man but he can’t get it done. He’s toast. A deer in the headlights guy who looked pathetic in that spat with Romney in the debate.

Cain has the ball now. Yes he has a few problems like the stupid 9-9-9 plan and some mistatements and he even claimed he didn’t say things he clearly said. A few misteps but they’re minor thus far and not problematic if he watches his statements going forward. Read his positions on issues at his site. How can a conservative not agree with every single one of them? He is solid. However he has zero political experience. Political experience does matter because he won’t be a dictator CEO at a pizza company. He will have to wheel and deal with hundreds of politicians and world leaders.

Nevertheless I think Cain has the core foundational skills and common sense to grow in the job and get it done. I think given the cards we have been dealt he seems to be best one now to stop Romney. The only other possible option if Cain flounders is Perry. Newt is great in the debates but I can’t see him winning primaries.


15 posted on 10/19/2011 8:59:35 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk
Yes he has a few problems like the stupid 9-9-9 plan

Wow, that is kind of bad since that is the center-piece of his campaign. It really is the only policy he put in print.

From what I have seen, his responses to all the other items (guns, abortion, gay marriage, environment, 10th Amendment) have been rather squishy at best. I have heard him on both sides of these items, and he ultimately falls back to his talking points rather than elaborating on his position.

This is my biggest hold-back for Cain. For these issues, I cannot discern a difference between Cain and Romney.

16 posted on 10/19/2011 9:07:39 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

I like pancakes, especially when they are nice and hot so the butter melts right in with the maple syrup.


17 posted on 10/19/2011 9:10:26 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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To: beancounter13
In-state tuition for people who have resided in and paid taxes to Texas for 3 years is NOT AN ISSUE.

Clearly Perry (and you) don't realize that it is an issue.

Fully 69% of Americans in the latest IBD/TIPP poll say they don’t favor states giving in-state college tuition to ILLEGAL aliens while charging higher fees for legal, out-of-state residents. Just 22% support such a policy. 73% of Republicans are opposed vs. 20% in favor.

Independents have even stronger views: 74%-15%. Even Democrats are strongly opposed 58%-32%.

In fact, a majority of every major subgroup opposes giving illegals in-state tuition rates — men and women, rich and poor, urban and rural. Hispanics, who have more conflicted views over ILLEGAL immigration than is commonly known, are opposed, 54%-28%. Blacks, who often see ILLEGAL aliens as rivals for jobs, are the most opposed, 80%-12%.

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It is something that Romneybots throw out there to dissuade voters from the fact the Perry

I am not a RomneyBot. I am not a Romney supporter of any kind. I could never vote for a pro-abortion candidate. And 69% of Americans are not RomneyBots either nor are 73% of Republicans and 74% of Independents.

Taxpayer subsidized handouts for ILLEGAL aliens may have been accepted in Texas but voters across these United States do not want it. One needn't be a RomneyBot to see that.

18 posted on 10/19/2011 9:10:36 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: South40

What about the vaunted 10th Amendment?

Education is a state issue. Period.

The 77th Texas Legislature passed that bill with a veto-proof majority. It would not have mattered if Perry choose not to sign it. That he did merely illustrates that he did not have national office in mind at the time.

BTW, many other states beside Texas have the same residency language.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 9:14:45 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

I’ll give you my take on each of the candidates.

Bachmann - I think she’s sincerely conservative, but she is not presidential material. She comes across to me a little bit naïve and would be a better asset in Congress than in the White House.

Cain - He’s very quick on his feet, though sometimes he has to dislodge his foot from his mouth in order to say something. However, he has operational experience that all past presidents, who were successful, have had. However, I think he’s would be a good team builder, who would build a strong cabinet and he’d actually be willing to listen to many voices before comeing to a decision and, once he came to a decision, he doesn’t seem like the sort of man that would then waiver from it.

Gingrich - I respect the man’s abilities and intelligence, but I cannot respect the man. I don’t believe that he has enough respect for the presidency to be worthy of the position. However, he would be a definite asset to whichever position in cabinet that the President would deem him fit for.

Huntsman - Liberal. Good thing he has no hope and no prayer of advancing beyond the debates.

Paul - I like him. I’m not a Pauline, but I like him. I hope that he advances far. Very Conservative and very fiscally responsible. Another fine asset to the cabinet.

Perry - another good conservative. He has what it takes to be president. He may be a little weak on immigration, but I do not believe he would throw open the south border for the sake of gathering votes. And I think he would give the states the tools they needed to do what needs to be done in regards to immigration.

Romney - when a candidate is slick and is capable of metamorphising his poition to fit whichever conversation he is in at the moment, he cannot be trusted. I think he’s very much a social democrat and his election would be a continuation of Democratic policies. Even if he could beat Obama, it would be like Obama never left town.

Santorum - I know the gay community just loves the man. :)
I’d like to see him run for congress again.

Between Perry and Cain, I think Perry edges Cain ever so slightly in terms of who I think would be the better president.


20 posted on 10/19/2011 9:41:59 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: beancounter13
In-state tuition for people who have resided in and paid taxes to Texas for 3 years

In-state tuition for people illegal criminal invaders who have resided in and paid taxes to Texas for 3 years

21 posted on 10/19/2011 9:51:00 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: South40

Looks like it.


22 posted on 10/19/2011 10:01:20 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mr B has a new cousin on the way!)
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To: beancounter13

Cain is starting to remind me of Pontius Pilate.
He states that he is for or against something, and then turs around and washes his hands of it because he’s trying to make everyone believe that his personal opinion doesn’t matter. Eventually people are going to demand that he stand by his principles and not come across as believing one thing, while doing the exact opposite as president.


23 posted on 10/19/2011 10:04:38 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter Hobbit)
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To: beancounter13
What about the vaunted 10th Amendment?
Education is a state issue. Period.

Do you really fail to comprehend the concept that it ceases to be a state issue when a man who advocates for such a thing seeks national office?

There is a federal law prohibiting giving instate tuition to ILLEGAL aliens. La Raza Rick and the Texas legislature discovered a way of circumventing that law by making the requirement 3-years of high school as opposed to residing within the state. Americans don't like that. I know because I am one.

The 77th Texas Legislature passed that bill with a veto-proof majority. It would not have mattered if Perry choose not to sign it. That he did merely illustrates that he did not have national office in mind at the time.

I've said this before but I guess you didn't read it. It doesn't matter that it was a veto-proof majority; Perry signed it BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED IT THEN AND HE SUPPORTS IT STILL. It's not the fact that the Texas legislature approved it with a veto proof majority that bothers Americans. What bothers them is Perry advocated for it then and does to this day.

BTW, many other states beside Texas have the same residency language.

A fact that has absolutely ZERO bearing on this debate. But for the record, if any govrnor had signed a similar bill (mine did, and he is a liberal jackass) that man would NOT deserve or get the support of the very same people who do not support Perry.

24 posted on 10/19/2011 10:18:53 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
NoMoreCareerPoliticians Since you're a new member (home page no created, Since Oct 15,2011), just off your pen name, I'd say Cain is your man.
I have a few questions?

Bachmann Very conservative, and my first choice, since Palin isn't running.

Cain Very Conservative, very confident, a man I've personally had about an hour conversation with in 2004, and a man I trust.He's my second choice

GingrichThe smartest man on the ticket, and very conservative, but I'm not sure I trust, however, I'd vote for him, my third choice.

Huntsman Not worth my time, an "Establishment Republican" that's just too liberal. He won't ever get my vote.

Ron Paul Wants to legalize drugs, and isn't worth my time, I'd never vote for him.

Perry He's done, and he'll lie to you in a heartbeat. He's an "Establishment Republican" pretending to be conservative, and He'll NEVER get my vote.

Romney He's a real RINO, a real liberal, and he's the "Establishment's Favorite". He'll NEVER get my vote.

Santorum He's too inexperienced, but he's conservative. As a last resort, I MIGHT vote for him, but I'm not sure.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 11:12:17 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Yosemitest
Cain a man I've personally had about an hour conversation with in 2004

Very interesting, I like Cain also but he needs some good advice. Are you still able to contact him?

26 posted on 10/19/2011 11:46:27 PM PDT by NoMoreCareerPoliticians
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Cram it nOOb.

Come back in a year.

IBTZ

TROLL


27 posted on 10/19/2011 11:59:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Paulbot attempting what you see as a clever ruse?


28 posted on 10/20/2011 12:06:14 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Bean Counter; beancounter13

We’ve sure got some bean counters on this thread. :-)


29 posted on 10/20/2011 12:09:43 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
This is an old cartoon, so don't forget the "Pro-Communist Health Care" and "Anti-Communist Health Care" podiums:


30 posted on 10/20/2011 12:12:29 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
No. It was a random encounter at Lake Charles Terminal Radar Approach Control.
Herman Cain flew into the airport in a radial engine Bi-Wing aircraft, and he parked it between the control tower and the general aviation operations building.
He asked for a tour of the tower and radar facility before he shut the engine down, so we (FAA) authorized it and opened up the break-room door about 50 feet from where he was parked.
He used our facilities to change clothes, get a rental car, and while he waited for it to arrive, he toured the radar room and the control tower.
He asked many good questions about our operation and we talked about many things.
He spoke of being diagnosed with cancer and how his family really helped him, as he prepared to fight it.
He talked of prayer and how that had given him strength and motivation.
He was with us for about 30 minutes before he left in the rental car to do a surprise inspection of Burger King.
He returned about 3 hours later, spent another thirty minutes with us while the aircraft was being prepped.
There was only about 5 of us on duty during his visit, and we all had ample opportunity to talk about whatever we wished.
He really is a pleasant and bold man, very easy to talk to.
He's a highly skilled private pilot, also.
31 posted on 10/20/2011 2:28:29 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
I have NO DOUBT that Herman Cain is comfortable and skilled at choosing executive officers and delegating responsibility,
as well as controlling board meetings, and taking advise since he's overseen the turnaround of several corporations.


32 posted on 10/20/2011 2:52:25 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Yosemitest

bkmk


33 posted on 10/20/2011 5:14:08 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Lancey Howard

Haha great. Do you think he interrupts himself as well, taking up all of the debate time?


34 posted on 10/20/2011 6:55:59 AM PDT by LBG11
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

Your first post ever is a vanity thread smearing the GOP candidates?

IBTZ


35 posted on 10/20/2011 7:21:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: beancounter13

It really is the only policy he put in print.


Yeah, aside from all the policies he has had on his website:
http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues


36 posted on 10/20/2011 7:24:01 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians

I’ll just say your post sucks, a waste of time to read your “thoughts”. I can’t imagine why anyone would care about your analysis, I know I don’t care for meaningless tripe.


37 posted on 10/20/2011 7:24:18 AM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: Yosemitest

Thanks for the info.
It’s nice to get meaningful conversation about a topic.
My topic was to get help with opinions about the candidates.
I have never voted for a single Democrat in my life.
bfree - just seems to be a nasty person.
Beelzebubba – incoherent reply
What in the dickens does IBTZ mean

I’ll just say your post sucks, a waste of time to read your “thoughts”. I can’t imagine why anyone would care about your analysis, I know I don’t care for meaningless tripe.
bfree wrote that reply

Your first post ever is a vanity thread smearing the GOP candidates?
IBTZ
Beelzebubba wrote that reply


38 posted on 10/20/2011 12:10:36 PM PDT by NoMoreCareerPoliticians
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To: Beelzebubba

Policies pasted on a candidate’s website don’t impress me much. They will be changed as soon as the primary is over.

Have we really forgotten how soon Obama changed his websites?


39 posted on 10/20/2011 4:50:37 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: South40
A retread?

Nah, a concern troll. And a Paulbot.

40 posted on 10/20/2011 4:54:31 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: NoMoreCareerPoliticians
I'm guessing about IBTZ, but I think it means "In Before The Zot.
"Zot" is to "Lock out", as to lose commenting privileges here.

At first I thought your comments to "bfree" was to me.
It's easy to be misunderstood when you write comments, so remember that when you "Preview" your work. Also, if you see something you like as far as format, right mouse click it, select "view source" and learn how they formatted it.
41 posted on 10/20/2011 6:42:45 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: beancounter13

Policies pasted on a candidate’s website don’t impress me much. They will be changed as soon as the primary is over.


So.

You can safety deny your opponent’s positions when you don’t like them, on the grounds that they later may be changed.

God bless, and stfu.


42 posted on 10/20/2011 7:35:12 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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