Skip to comments.Once-rising Cain may soon fizzle with GOP.
Posted on 10/19/2011 9:44:30 PM PDT by Clairity
His business acumen, his conservative credentials and his plainspokenness drove his popularity up quickly.
But as with many politicians on both sides of the aisle, the more the public sees of him, the less appetizing he becomes. He has repeatedly revealed his lack of understanding of key issues.
CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked Cain if he could imagine as president giving in to an al-Qaida demand to free all of the hundreds of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for freeing one American soldier.
"I could see myself authorizing that kind of transfer, but what I would do is, I would make sure that I got all of the information, I got all of the input, considered all of the options," Cain replied. "And then the president has to be the president and make a judgment call. I could make that call if I had to."
Hours later, Cain denied that he had said what he said. Moderator Anderson Cooper asked him to explain his answer to Blitzer.
"Let me say this first, I would have a policy that we do not negotiate with terrorists," Cain said. Cooper pointed out that authorizing a transfer of Gitmo prisoners with al-Qaida is negotiating with terrorists.
"I don't recall him saying that it was al-Qaida related," Cain said.
So what's worse: His willingness to free all Gitmo detainees in a negotiation with al-Qaida, or his denial that he said what he had just said?
Cain's "I-didn't-say-that" routine continued on illegal immigration. First he said he would build an electrified fence all along the U.S.-Mexican border. He later said he was kidding. Then he doubled back and said "It might be electrified. I'm not walking away from that. I just don't want to offend anyone."
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There you go again...
Well we can count the Charlotte Observer in the tank for Romney.
You can still hope...I am for the Cain train...
The only fizzle has been Perry.
The guy winning pretty much every state race and winning or tied in most national polls is clearly ‘fizzling’. The media is evil.
Sen. Obama is a man of uncommon intelligence. He's a graduate of Columbia University with a law degree from Harvard, where he was editor of the law review. He bypassed lucrative job opportunities to become a community organizer with a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor Chicago neighborhoods plagued with crime and joblessness. In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to win a Senate seat. His record there is not extensive. It is impressive.
- the Observer in 2008.
He may - or may not. Perry may rebound - or he may not, etc.
Cain polling ahead of Perry in Texas
Who is going to fizzle...and who has already fizzled?
Good luck with all that.
A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney. Fortunately, there will be so few of them that it won’t make much of a difference.
I am sick of the fighting. The MSM has decided to help the GOP destroy itself with these BS debates. The entire field should meet, come to some kind of an agreement on debate ground rules where they are debating the issues not constantly defending themselves from attacks from the moderators and each other and then force the debate hosts to conform to it or refuse to participate. All this is doing is destroying the party and giving Obama sound bites.
If Cain fizzles, it will be because another conservative like Brewer gets in the race. The Rockefeller wing isn't getting any traction this cycle.
A harpie hit and run....La Raza Ricky’s people are desperate.
The candidates are just reflecting their supporters, who are fighting each other tooth and nail, at least on FR anyway.
What I love is all these posts acting like the waffling is somehow not happening. It’s very indicative of an unpolished candidate who hasn’t got principles set in stone. Instead, response to this article is “oh, they’re Romney fans,” or “oh, you’re a Perry fan.” Can’t it just be that Cain isn’t the candidate people are hoping he’ll be? Does the guy have to be imagined as perfect at the expense of reality?
I don’t like him because of 9-9-9, but he’s proving he’s not a great candidate on top of the policy concerns he presents.
another McClatchy paper left of the NY slimes guess they are scared of Cain
Perry has it in the bag, but there'd be no market in not developing the horserace. That's why Perry has been half-hearted about it until now. He has a state in incomprehensible drought and until very recently on FIRE, too.
Unlike Mittens who hasn't had a state to govern for 10 years and is 10X the silver-spoon W was.
That’s a good thing. For all of the FReepers that refrained from McCain your time is now. It will usher in the conservative. What say you now...........
Wishful thinking on the part of the MSM.
Hehe. They REALLY don’t want Cain as the candidate....
BUT WE DO! RAISE CAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hear a giant fizzling sound, and it’s coming from the White House.
The folks in the focus group on Hannity tonight were asked, if their choice comes down to Romney or Perry, who they would vote for. Their choice was Romney. They had nothing good to say about Perry. Looks to me like a vote for Perry is a win for Romney and I’ll bet you won’t admit that this is happening.
“Looks to me like a vote for Perry is a win for Romney and Ill bet you wont admit that this is happening.”
Huh? Why would you think that? I think a vote for Perry is the same as a vote for Romney. They’re the same RINO candidate with minor differences in their flaws. Mitt Perry is not getting my vote whether they get the nomination or not.
I watched Cain being walked into that trap and no matter how loud I shouted at the television, he just wouldn’t listen.
Cain’s tactic of saying different things to different people will be noticed by voters.
In front of the liberal media he says something, among conservatives he says sometimes the complete opposite.
What you said is what I meant. I’ve been on here too long this evening and I need to call it a night. So I will.
txhurl, I am a Perry supporter, he saved my business, I’ve met the man, I know one of his cousins. My cousin was the firefighter that was killed in the Possum Kingdom fire and the way the State and Perry reached out to our family was amazing. But the attack on Mitts over the lawn guy seemed amateurish when there are better thing to attack him on. Now, he is introducing his flat tax after never mentioning it before and it is going to come across as an attempt to win back the Cain supporters. But more than that, we cannot win the general election with the message “we are going to create a whole new way to take your money and give it to the government” . Our message must be that we are going to takeaway the credit card Reagan forgot to take with him when he left office, we are going to take money away from Congress and let you keep it and we are going to help you get more of it by creating jobs and new wealth and we are going to make the government get out of your life.
“no matter how loud I shouted at the television, he just wouldnât listen.”
LOL! Maybe you didn’t shout loud enough. Should have thrown something at the TV to get his attention. ;)
That's some of the most incredible spin I've ever read.
"Where are you going? It's just a flesh wound."
We have to let the election season take its course.
Relax. Have fun watching rats deserting their sinking ship.
The most important issue that people want to hear solved is JOBS. Perry isn’t just promising that, he has a solid record of creating a business-friendly climate in Texas, which results in jobs. Texas created nearly as many jobs as the other 49 states put together. People want Perry to do for the US that he has been doing for Texas. This is the bottom line.
They are playing right into the MSM hands.
Not with what I paid for this TV. ;>)
I think I am going to need to buy new Nerf gun for 2012.
I'll give you credit Clairity, “pimping for Perry” is a non-stop activity for you. I can only imagine what you'd be doing if you were backing an articulate conservative who actual was polling ahead of Michele Bachmann.
Charlotte, NC, home of the Democrat National Convention, unless they back the wrong horse.
It is at least one study by the DoD to appear that the DoD wants to move the war on drugs under the banner of the War on Terror. It is probably the right thing to do and I suspect that the next President will be sending troops into Mexico. That will place one of the battle ground on our front porch and is going to have incredible ramifications on Texas, Arizona and California. That should scare the hell out of everyone and want to make sure the next President can handle fighting a war a few miles from American cities and even deep into our own nation.
No, that’s not what I meant either.
My thought was that no matter what, the elites will get their way and Romney will be in ‘til the end. Here’s what I’ve read about the candidates..... Bachmann is broke and will be out soon, Newt won’t last because of baggage, Cain isn’t organized enough and is nearly broke, Paul is too out-in-left-field and Santorum is broke, boring and a bully. That leaves Perry and Romney. According to those folks in the focus group if it comes down to those two they would unanimously vote for Romney over Perry.
Maybe what I should have said is that the unrelenting push for Perry will be a win for Romney.
At any rate, the thought of Perry trying to debate Obama gives me hives. As lousy as the big 0 is without his tele-p, Perry still couldn’t out-debate him.
Perry has created more jobs for illegal aliens than all of the other states put together. Unfortunately, this also means that the unemployment rate for Texas citizens is at a record high.
Go to this link and learn something about jobcreation data in Texas:
From watching the debates since the Iowa Straw poll just over a month ago, here are my thoughts......
It is over the top obvious that the Lame Stream Media is totally pulling for Romney. Now give Mitt some credit, he is totally smooth in the debates. He is the poster child for "CONSUMATE POLITICIAN". At most of the debates I have seen moderators steering their "GOTCHA" questions at his opponants while giving him soft balls.
At the Iowa Straw Poll, Michelle Bachman was at her high water mark. Why? It was her vs Romney, the other canidates were hovering at 10% or lower. Iowa siad they didnt like Romney either.
At the time of the Straw Poll the news of Rick Perry entering the race was a major buzz and the next day it was official. Now I will admit I leaned heavy for Perry once he joined the race. Why?
1. I do not like Rommney, PERIOD
2. I do not think Michelle Bachman is ready for primetime
3. Rest of the field was too shakey IMHO
But I will say after a few debates I have come to the conclusion that Rick Perry SUCKS at debates. Granted he was going to be attacked by his opponants and the moderators would hit him with gotcha questions. But for crying out loud this is the deep end ofthe pool. He should have looked better than that. He honestly has that "Deer in the headlights" look.
I think after those few debates most Republicians backed off Perry and started looking again......ENTER HERMAN CAIN
Herman Cain seized the moment, his 9-9-9 plan is bold, weither or not it can or will pass is an argument for another time. Its BOLD. People want somebody bold. He is articulate, he can think on his feet. Thanks to his time doing a radio show he is a great speaker. Plus when you look at his full bio. Damn what a success story. Yes he is not a politician, well guess what! I think many people agree with me that POLITICIANS got us into this mess to begin with!
Now that being said, Herman needs to be carefull, he has defended his plan very well, but he cannot spend every waking moment doing just that. When a reporter or opponant tells him that "their" economist ran the numbers and this, this, this is the results. Herman Cain should simply respond. "I have run the numbers, I know they work, the American people can run the numbers themselves"
Only a liberal would respond with "Americans are too stupid to do the math"
He needs to "round out" his positions on things. He almost got trapped with the "Electric Fence" comment. But guess what? I asked the people I know and people are so angry at nothing being done about the border they would go for ANYTHING including an electric fence.
Now the rest of the field is as such IMHO....
Newt has come up some in the polls, at the last few debates he has acted as the sole adult sometimes and spends allot of time kinda reminding people that Job #1 is put 0bama on the unimployed list.
Bachman, I dont think she is ready for Primetime and she lost all of my respect when last week during the debate in the north east, when it was a free for all on attacking Cain's 9-9-9 plan, other went after it legitamatly saying in their opinions it will not work, their plan is better. But Michelle's response was "The devil is in the details turn 9-9-9 upside down"! WTF!?! Are going to start rewinding music listening for satanic verses?
Ron Paul, he has that 10% very vocal following. I like most of his libertarian views. I think it would be wonderfull to get there but I know the reality we as a nation cant do it COLD TURKEY. As soon as he started the cry baby media and entertainment industry would demonize it and nothing will happen. And he tends to follow a very insightfull comment in the debates with another that makes you go "HUH?"
Santorum, give him credit he gave Romney his 1st black eye in the debates. But he sounds too whiney to me. He comes across as a wimp sometimes. Maybe it just me.
Thank God! Cain will inflict pain to the socialist train...wreck!
Is that the rats deserting Obama or the rats deserting Perry?
Hmmm - Cain raised $2 million in the two weeks after the third quarter closed and the donations don't seem to be slowing. He is rapidly expanding his organization. He has a new mega-PAC supporting him. By the way, Newt is $1 million in debt.