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Once-rising Cain may soon fizzle with GOP.
Charlotte Observer ^ | Oct 19, 2011 | Charlotte Observer Editorial Staff

Posted on 10/19/2011 9:44:30 PM PDT by Clairity

His business acumen, his conservative credentials and his plainspokenness drove his popularity up quickly.

But as with many politicians on both sides of the aisle, the more the public sees of him, the less appetizing he becomes. He has repeatedly revealed his lack of understanding of key issues.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked Cain if he could imagine as president giving in to an al-Qaida demand to free all of the hundreds of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for freeing one American soldier.

"I could see myself authorizing that kind of transfer, but what I would do is, I would make sure that I got all of the information, I got all of the input, considered all of the options," Cain replied. "And then the president has to be the president and make a judgment call. I could make that call if I had to."

Hours later, Cain denied that he had said what he said. Moderator Anderson Cooper asked him to explain his answer to Blitzer.

"Let me say this first, I would have a policy that we do not negotiate with terrorists," Cain said. Cooper pointed out that authorizing a transfer of Gitmo prisoners with al-Qaida is negotiating with terrorists.

"I don't recall him saying that it was al-Qaida related," Cain said.

So what's worse: His willingness to free all Gitmo detainees in a negotiation with al-Qaida, or his denial that he said what he had just said?

Cain's "I-didn't-say-that" routine continued on illegal immigration. First he said he would build an electrified fence all along the U.S.-Mexican border. He later said he was kidding. Then he doubled back and said "It might be electrified. I'm not walking away from that. I just don't want to offend anyone."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; formerdemocratperry; larazarick; openborders; perryastroturfing; romneyattackoncain; romneybotsattack; romneydirt; romneydirtytrick; romneyperry2012; smellslikemitt
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1 posted on 10/19/2011 9:44:35 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: Clairity

There you go again...


2 posted on 10/19/2011 9:46:23 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Clairity

Garbage.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 9:46:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well we can count the Charlotte Observer in the tank for Romney.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 9:48:12 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Clairity

You can still hope...I am for the Cain train...


5 posted on 10/19/2011 9:50:04 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Clairity
may soon fizzle

The only fizzle has been Perry.

6 posted on 10/19/2011 9:51:25 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Clairity

The guy winning pretty much every state race and winning or tied in most national polls is clearly ‘fizzling’. The media is evil.


7 posted on 10/19/2011 9:51:30 PM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: justsaynomore
They'll still be with Obama...

Sen. Obama is a man of uncommon intelligence. He's a graduate of Columbia University with a law degree from Harvard, where he was editor of the law review. He bypassed lucrative job opportunities to become a community organizer with a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor Chicago neighborhoods plagued with crime and joblessness. In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to win a Senate seat. His record there is not extensive. It is impressive.

- the Observer in 2008.

8 posted on 10/19/2011 9:52:57 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Clairity

He may - or may not. Perry may rebound - or he may not, etc.


9 posted on 10/19/2011 9:53:21 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: All

Cain polling ahead of Perry in Texas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2795317/posts

Who is going to fizzle...and who has already fizzled?


10 posted on 10/19/2011 9:55:45 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Clairity
What Cain has to remember is that while the American public says they want straight talking politicians in reality they don't.
11 posted on 10/19/2011 10:00:28 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Clairity

Good luck with all that.


12 posted on 10/19/2011 10:01:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Clairity

A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney. Fortunately, there will be so few of them that it won’t make much of a difference.


13 posted on 10/19/2011 10:03:18 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Republican Wildcat
He may - or may not. Perry may rebound - or he may not, etc.

I am sick of the fighting. The MSM has decided to help the GOP destroy itself with these BS debates. The entire field should meet, come to some kind of an agreement on debate ground rules where they are debating the issues not constantly defending themselves from attacks from the moderators and each other and then force the debate hosts to conform to it or refuse to participate. All this is doing is destroying the party and giving Obama sound bites.

14 posted on 10/19/2011 10:03:20 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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To: txroadkill
The entire field should meet, come to some kind of an agreement on debate ground rules where they are debating the issues not constantly defending themselves from attacks from the moderators and each other and then force the debate hosts to conform to it or refuse to participate.

Nobody is twisting their arm and forcing them to attack one another. They chose to do so. Under your plan, there is nothing that guarantees they wouldn't do the same.
15 posted on 10/19/2011 10:06:29 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Clairity
Cain is rising, The Romney/Perry twins are sinking.

If Cain fizzles, it will be because another conservative like Brewer gets in the race. The Rockefeller wing isn't getting any traction this cycle.

16 posted on 10/19/2011 10:06:38 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Clairity

A harpie hit and run....La Raza Ricky’s people are desperate.


17 posted on 10/19/2011 10:08:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: txroadkill

The candidates are just reflecting their supporters, who are fighting each other tooth and nail, at least on FR anyway.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 10:12:54 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Clairity

What I love is all these posts acting like the waffling is somehow not happening. It’s very indicative of an unpolished candidate who hasn’t got principles set in stone. Instead, response to this article is “oh, they’re Romney fans,” or “oh, you’re a Perry fan.” Can’t it just be that Cain isn’t the candidate people are hoping he’ll be? Does the guy have to be imagined as perfect at the expense of reality?

I don’t like him because of 9-9-9, but he’s proving he’s not a great candidate on top of the policy concerns he presents.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 10:15:58 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: Clairity

another McClatchy paper left of the NY slimes guess they are scared of Cain


20 posted on 10/19/2011 10:16:06 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: txroadkill
Political season is a big industry and important to every city, has been since TV got in on it. There's knocking on doors, phone calls, re-canvassing, it's just an industry into itself that ought to continue forever.

Perry has it in the bag, but there'd be no market in not developing the horserace. That's why Perry has been half-hearted about it until now. He has a state in incomprehensible drought and until very recently on FIRE, too.

Unlike Mittens who hasn't had a state to govern for 10 years and is 10X the silver-spoon W was.

21 posted on 10/19/2011 10:16:06 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish? Or feed the fish?)
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To: HerrBlucher

That’s a good thing. For all of the FReepers that refrained from McCain your time is now. It will usher in the conservative. What say you now...........


22 posted on 10/19/2011 10:16:21 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Clairity

Hehe

Wishful thinking on the part of the MSM.

Hehe. They REALLY don’t want Cain as the candidate....

BUT WE DO! RAISE CAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 10/19/2011 10:18:23 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Clairity

I hear a giant fizzling sound, and it’s coming from the White House.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 10:18:35 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: LibertarianInExile

The folks in the focus group on Hannity tonight were asked, if their choice comes down to Romney or Perry, who they would vote for. Their choice was Romney. They had nothing good to say about Perry. Looks to me like a vote for Perry is a win for Romney and I’ll bet you won’t admit that this is happening.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 10:21:11 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: Clairity
the more the public sees of him, the less appetizing he becomes...

My experience has been the exact opposite. The more I hear Herman Cain speak the more I understand he's a very intelligent man, and understands the issues in surprising depth. Pretty lame hit piece.
26 posted on 10/19/2011 10:23:20 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: abigailsmybaby

“Looks to me like a vote for Perry is a win for Romney and I’ll bet you won’t admit that this is happening.”

Huh? Why would you think that? I think a vote for Perry is the same as a vote for Romney. They’re the same RINO candidate with minor differences in their flaws. Mitt Perry is not getting my vote whether they get the nomination or not.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 10:27:26 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: Clairity

I watched Cain being walked into that trap and no matter how loud I shouted at the television, he just wouldn’t listen.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 10:31:07 PM PDT by Gator113 (~ Just livin' life~........ leaning heavy for Newt 2012)
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To: Clairity

Cain’s tactic of saying different things to different people will be noticed by voters.

In front of the liberal media he says something, among conservatives he says sometimes the complete opposite.


29 posted on 10/19/2011 10:32:56 PM PDT by GregH
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To: LibertarianInExile

What you said is what I meant. I’ve been on here too long this evening and I need to call it a night. So I will.


30 posted on 10/19/2011 10:33:27 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: txhurl

txhurl, I am a Perry supporter, he saved my business, I’ve met the man, I know one of his cousins. My cousin was the firefighter that was killed in the Possum Kingdom fire and the way the State and Perry reached out to our family was amazing. But the attack on Mitts over the lawn guy seemed amateurish when there are better thing to attack him on. Now, he is introducing his flat tax after never mentioning it before and it is going to come across as an attempt to win back the Cain supporters. But more than that, we cannot win the general election with the message “we are going to create a whole new way to take your money and give it to the government” . Our message must be that we are going to takeaway the credit card Reagan forgot to take with him when he left office, we are going to take money away from Congress and let you keep it and we are going to help you get more of it by creating jobs and new wealth and we are going to make the government get out of your life.


31 posted on 10/19/2011 10:33:32 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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To: Gator113

“no matter how loud I shouted at the television, he just wouldn’t listen.”

LOL! Maybe you didn’t shout loud enough. Should have thrown something at the TV to get his attention. ;)


32 posted on 10/19/2011 10:34:34 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: txhurl
Perry has it in the bag, but there'd be no market in not developing the horserace. That's why Perry has been half-hearted about it until now. He has a state in incomprehensible drought and until very recently on FIRE, too.

That's some of the most incredible spin I've ever read.

"Where are you going? It's just a flesh wound."

33 posted on 10/19/2011 10:36:25 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: txroadkill

We have to let the election season take its course.

Relax. Have fun watching rats deserting their sinking ship.


34 posted on 10/19/2011 10:37:50 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish? Or feed the fish?)
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To: txroadkill

The most important issue that people want to hear solved is JOBS. Perry isn’t just promising that, he has a solid record of creating a business-friendly climate in Texas, which results in jobs. Texas created nearly as many jobs as the other 49 states put together. People want Perry to do for the US that he has been doing for Texas. This is the bottom line.


35 posted on 10/19/2011 10:38:33 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: txroadkill
Yes, they don't have to rip into each other.

They are playing right into the MSM hands.

36 posted on 10/19/2011 10:42:38 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Clairity

Not with what I paid for this TV. ;>)

I think I am going to need to buy new Nerf gun for 2012.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 10:46:40 PM PDT by Gator113 (~ Just livin' life~........ leaning heavy for Newt 2012)
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To: Prokopton

38 posted on 10/19/2011 10:46:55 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
Anyone, anyone that ever supported hussein odumber like this ought to be falling on their sword right about now. hussein is an economic and political disaster for our Country. Heck, he's a disaster in just about any category you care to name. I wouldn't trust anyone's opinion who was so easily duped, stupid, or scheming as to support hussein in '08. Anyone that supports him in '12 is truly idiotic and/or evil.
39 posted on 10/19/2011 10:49:12 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Clairity
Isn't this one of those negative Cain articles that one of the Perry Fangirls claim Perry Fangirls never post?

I'll give you credit Clairity, “pimping for Perry” is a non-stop activity for you. I can only imagine what you'd be doing if you were backing an articulate conservative who actual was polling ahead of Michele Bachmann.

40 posted on 10/19/2011 10:50:48 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: justsaynomore; Clairity

Charlotte, NC, home of the Democrat National Convention, unless they back the wrong horse.


41 posted on 10/19/2011 10:50:55 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Clairity; txhurl
I'm probably just in a bad mood over the Rangers loss. I'll get back into the fight tomorrow. By the way, have you seen this:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2011/04%20April/Wechsler%2004-12-11.pdf

It is at least one study by the DoD to appear that the DoD wants to move the war on drugs under the banner of the War on Terror. It is probably the right thing to do and I suspect that the next President will be sending troops into Mexico. That will place one of the battle ground on our front porch and is going to have incredible ramifications on Texas, Arizona and California. That should scare the hell out of everyone and want to make sure the next President can handle fighting a war a few miles from American cities and even deep into our own nation.

42 posted on 10/19/2011 10:53:22 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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To: EEGator

Yep.


43 posted on 10/19/2011 10:55:46 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: abigailsmybaby; LibertarianInExile

No, that’s not what I meant either.

My thought was that no matter what, the elites will get their way and Romney will be in ‘til the end. Here’s what I’ve read about the candidates..... Bachmann is broke and will be out soon, Newt won’t last because of baggage, Cain isn’t organized enough and is nearly broke, Paul is too out-in-left-field and Santorum is broke, boring and a bully. That leaves Perry and Romney. According to those folks in the focus group if it comes down to those two they would unanimously vote for Romney over Perry.

Maybe what I should have said is that the unrelenting push for Perry will be a win for Romney.

At any rate, the thought of Perry trying to debate Obama gives me hives. As lousy as the big 0 is without his tele-p, Perry still couldn’t out-debate him.


44 posted on 10/19/2011 10:58:36 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: Clairity
Perry isn’t just promising that, he has a solid record of creating a business-friendly climate in Texas, which results in jobs

Perry has created more jobs for illegal aliens than all of the other states put together. Unfortunately, this also means that the unemployment rate for Texas citizens is at a record high.

45 posted on 10/19/2011 11:00:49 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

Go to this link and learn something about jobcreation data in Texas:

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?s=perry


46 posted on 10/19/2011 11:02:57 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: LibertarianInExile
I am also on the "CAIN TRAIN".

From watching the debates since the Iowa Straw poll just over a month ago, here are my thoughts......

It is over the top obvious that the Lame Stream Media is totally pulling for Romney. Now give Mitt some credit, he is totally smooth in the debates. He is the poster child for "CONSUMATE POLITICIAN". At most of the debates I have seen moderators steering their "GOTCHA" questions at his opponants while giving him soft balls.

At the Iowa Straw Poll, Michelle Bachman was at her high water mark. Why? It was her vs Romney, the other canidates were hovering at 10% or lower. Iowa siad they didnt like Romney either.

At the time of the Straw Poll the news of Rick Perry entering the race was a major buzz and the next day it was official. Now I will admit I leaned heavy for Perry once he joined the race. Why?

1. I do not like Rommney, PERIOD

2. I do not think Michelle Bachman is ready for primetime

3. Rest of the field was too shakey IMHO

But I will say after a few debates I have come to the conclusion that Rick Perry SUCKS at debates. Granted he was going to be attacked by his opponants and the moderators would hit him with gotcha questions. But for crying out loud this is the deep end ofthe pool. He should have looked better than that. He honestly has that "Deer in the headlights" look.

I think after those few debates most Republicians backed off Perry and started looking again......ENTER HERMAN CAIN

Herman Cain seized the moment, his 9-9-9 plan is bold, weither or not it can or will pass is an argument for another time. Its BOLD. People want somebody bold. He is articulate, he can think on his feet. Thanks to his time doing a radio show he is a great speaker. Plus when you look at his full bio. Damn what a success story. Yes he is not a politician, well guess what! I think many people agree with me that POLITICIANS got us into this mess to begin with!

Now that being said, Herman needs to be carefull, he has defended his plan very well, but he cannot spend every waking moment doing just that. When a reporter or opponant tells him that "their" economist ran the numbers and this, this, this is the results. Herman Cain should simply respond. "I have run the numbers, I know they work, the American people can run the numbers themselves"

Only a liberal would respond with "Americans are too stupid to do the math"

He needs to "round out" his positions on things. He almost got trapped with the "Electric Fence" comment. But guess what? I asked the people I know and people are so angry at nothing being done about the border they would go for ANYTHING including an electric fence.

Now the rest of the field is as such IMHO....

Newt has come up some in the polls, at the last few debates he has acted as the sole adult sometimes and spends allot of time kinda reminding people that Job #1 is put 0bama on the unimployed list.

Bachman, I dont think she is ready for Primetime and she lost all of my respect when last week during the debate in the north east, when it was a free for all on attacking Cain's 9-9-9 plan, other went after it legitamatly saying in their opinions it will not work, their plan is better. But Michelle's response was "The devil is in the details turn 9-9-9 upside down"! WTF!?! Are going to start rewinding music listening for satanic verses?

Ron Paul, he has that 10% very vocal following. I like most of his libertarian views. I think it would be wonderfull to get there but I know the reality we as a nation cant do it COLD TURKEY. As soon as he started the cry baby media and entertainment industry would demonize it and nothing will happen. And he tends to follow a very insightfull comment in the debates with another that makes you go "HUH?"

Santorum, give him credit he gave Romney his 1st black eye in the debates. But he sounds too whiney to me. He comes across as a wimp sometimes. Maybe it just me.

47 posted on 10/19/2011 11:07:36 PM PDT by TheShaz
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To: MrEdd

Thank God! Cain will inflict pain to the socialist train...wreck!


48 posted on 10/19/2011 11:10:15 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: txhurl

Is that the rats deserting Obama or the rats deserting Perry?


49 posted on 10/19/2011 11:17:30 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: abigailsmybaby
... Cain isn’t organized enough and is nearly broke...

Hmmm - Cain raised $2 million in the two weeks after the third quarter closed and the donations don't seem to be slowing. He is rapidly expanding his organization. He has a new mega-PAC supporting him. By the way, Newt is $1 million in debt.

50 posted on 10/19/2011 11:22:23 PM PDT by Ingtar
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