Posted on 10/20/2011 4:15:02 AM PDT by marktwain
Wisconsin --(Ammoland.com)- A single mom. Two kids in the backseat. Grocery shopping went fine, but the man approaching their car has a gun and is about to turn the parking lot into a scene straight from hell.
Thankfully mom has a gun.
Wait a minute, no she doesn’t.
She doesn’t have the gun … because according to State Rep. Garey Bies and a small group of self-righteous elitist do-gooders in the gun community she doesn’t have … “enough training.” Too late.
Many gun owners talk a good game about concealed carry training and boast endlessly about what they want to impose on others.
These self-appointed gun experts have unknowingly adopted the arguments of the gun control crowd. You know, if we don’t shackle ourselves with more regulations, bad things will happen if guns are involved.
Sound familiar? (Straight out of Sarah Brady’s playbook)? Wisconsin Rep. Garey Bies
Rep. Bies - The founding fathers: The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Rep. Garey Bies: The right to bear arms shall be allowed when you complete the course we require.
But the number one rule of a gun fight is … bring a gun. And the Bies bill – aided and abetted by those who crow for more government-mandated training – will prevent many people from doing just that.
Let’s talk in practical terms. The harder it is to get a permit, the more good people who need to carry simply won’t (Prof. John Lott, Ph.D. proved this empirically in his book More Guns, Less Crime).
You and I fought for Constitutional Carry because it was the only way to ensure that our right to bear arms was not held to the whims of the politicians in Madison.
Those whims are coming to a head.
Remember back in May when I informed you that Representative Garey Bies tried to suppress the testimony of supporters of Constitutional Carry at the Madison concealed carry hearing?
Now Rep. Bies is trying to increase the regulation and requirements to get a concealed carry permit.
Rep. Bies is trying to move us further into government regulation of your Second Amendment rights.
He has said he will introduce a bill later this month that will require at least eight hours of training to get a concealed-weapons permit.
Let me be clear: This is not about training. That’s how the big-government neocons, cowering at the feet of leftist anti-gunners, have framed the issue.
This is about more gun regulation, more government-mandated hoops, designed to keep raising the bar needed to “earn” the right to bear arms: something the founding fathers believed was an inalienable right.
What these regulations really do, in practical terms, is disarm good people … leaving them defenseless.
Some people urgently need access to a firearm – there are many cases of single moms being stalked by abusive ex-husbands, for example – who don’t have 8 hours to spare.
They don’t have 8 minutes to spare. Eight seconds would be pushing it in some cases. They need a gun for self-defense and they need it right now.
Are you prepared to tell them they’re not “ready” to defend themselves because they don’t have “enough” training? I’m sure not.
ACTION:
1. E-mail Representative Garey Bies letting him know what you think of his plan to impose new regulatory burdens upon Badger State gun owners.
2. Contribute something to this lobbying campaign so we can effectively stop this thinly-disguised push for gun control. Please do what you can.
In Liberty, Corey Graff Executive Director
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or how bout required training within 3-6 months AFTER you recieve your CCW or your license is suspended until you receive the training?
just throwing it out there folks.
...or how bout the Gov. get out of my business and quit granting me their perceived ‘rights’.
yeh, that’s even better.
So if they take the training and still screw up they should be let off the hook?
... and voting is the most fundamental right well have.
No, the most fundamental right we have is to life. Voting is a privilege granted by law, self defense (via bearing arms) is a right recognized by the constitution. Don't fall into the progressive fallacy that "common sense" gun laws offer protection from gun crime or gun accidents. All they do is impede gun ownership.
Not kidding. Army training is basically, if he’s the enemy, shoot his @ss and includes terms like insurance holes as you move past his body.
I suppose you think they should also be sold in convenience stores like slurpies, next to the rocket launchers. no waiting period, no background check, nothing.
“here is your gun sir,” the clerk says to the man in the white jacket with extra long sleeves who calls himself napoleon.
don’t you tgink a few laws make a little sense?
You do know that at least as far back as the wild days, you couldn’t carry inside of town?
Where did you learn that from, Hollywood?
No, history. Hollywood shows everyone packing. Being caught with a gun in many town got you fined. That’s what the OK Corral was about. The cowboys were carrying in town and the Eurps went to take the guns.
Don’t get me wrong, im for CC, but these people insisting on no training make gun owners look nuts and get innocent people killed.
I have no problem with easing gun sales laws. Tell me, how have our current laws kept you safer than you were 80 years ago? Your nut in a straight jacket example is just the sort of hyperbole that progressives use to cow people into accepting their version of "safety" over liberty. Lets try this, if your insane you should be institutionalized, for your sake and everyone else. There goes your straw-man in a straight jacket.
I have lived with and around firearms my entire life, I have a permit to carry and I served in the Military and I can tell you with confidence that a two hour training course taught by a marginal competent instructor (which has been my experience) offers little in the way of improving competency and safety.
As far as the "wild days" what's your point? Maybe you missed This. How did those tough gun control laws work out for in Tombstone then how are they working in Chicago and D.C. today?
I fear laws far more than I fear guns.
Sorry, but a responsible person knows to get training if they need it. Those people that are careless, will get their asses handed to them. What did people do in old western times? They were taught at a young age by their father, is what I’m guessing. If they weren’t then they were responsible enough to learn about them. As Harry Callahan said:
“A man has got to know his limitations”
“does my training in the Army count?”
I would say that it does.
From the law:
2. Documentation that the individual participated in organized shooting
competitions or completed military, law enforcement, or security training that gave
the individual experience with firearms that is substantially equivalent to a course
or program under subd. 1.
I would expectg that a DD214 would be sufficient, as a hunting safety course is deemed to be sufficient.
Pennsylvania has easy concealed carry (okay, it’s not Vermont, but it’s about as close as you can get): Walk into a sheriff’s office with about $25 plus proof of residency in your county and walk out in 20 minutes or so with your CC license, good for 5 years. No “gun training”, no reason for seeking a license other than self defense, no nonsense - - heck you don’t even need to own a gun. I urge all Pennsylvanians to go get their CC licenses as soon as possible. The sheriff’s office in Bucks County (at the Doylestown Courthouse) is very efficient and the folks there are courteous and professional. I’ve had my CC license for at least 20 years.
Ref: History of the United States 1776-1968.
In WI, yes.
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