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Cain: Government Shouldn't Make Decision on Abortion, Rape
LifeNews.com ^ | October 20, 2011 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/20/2011 7:50:01 AM PDT by julieee

Cain: Government Shouldn't Make Decision on Abortion, Rape

Washington, DC -- Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain is raising eyebrows today of pro-life advocates and political pundits who thought he had previously taken a pro-life position on abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/10/20/cain-government-shouldnt-make-decision-on-abortion-rape/

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; cain; government; incest; moralabsolutes; rape
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1 posted on 10/20/2011 7:50:06 AM PDT by julieee
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To: julieee

oh my... Cain is pro abortion?!?!?

wow


2 posted on 10/20/2011 7:53:50 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: julieee

I saw the entire interview and what he said was he did not believe in Abortion for any reason but he also did not feel it was the place of the federal govt to regulate moral decisions. I happen to agree that that is not a providence of the Federal govt but a State issue.


3 posted on 10/20/2011 7:54:19 AM PDT by TN4Bush
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To: julieee

Too bad we have to scratch Rick Perry off the list too.

Rick Perry said he believes abortion should be legal only in cases involving rape or incest or when carrying a pregnancy to term would threaten the woman’s life.

Source: Associated Press on FoxNews.com Jun 25, 2002

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Rick_Perry_Abortion.htm


4 posted on 10/20/2011 7:54:57 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“oh my... Cain is pro abortion”

Nope.


5 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:18 AM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

No, he’s pro-life but doesn’t want to prosecute women who have been raped but don’t want to carry the child. That’s a very reasonable position.


6 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:26 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: julieee

Very misleading posting. If you hadn’t cut the article off right where you did, it would be pretty clear he was responding to a question about cases of rape and incests, which makes his position identical to most other Republican politician.

Nice try.


7 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:51 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: TexasFreeper2009

No, read the article, he was not saying he is pro-abortion. Someone obviously wants to trick FReepers into thinking that by only posting one sentence from the article. Let’s show them we are not THAT slow, eh?


8 posted on 10/20/2011 7:57:48 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Grunthor

maybe my reading comprehension is not that good, but when I read that article it clearly says that Cain wants to leave the choice with the woman...

which means he is pro choice, which means he is pro Roe V Wade and pro abortion


9 posted on 10/20/2011 7:57:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TN4Bush

Well you heard wrong. When Cain used choice language it was in response to the question of what a young girl should do after carrying a baby to term that was conceived by rape. The choice he was talking about was to raise the child or put it up for adoption, not murder it.


10 posted on 10/20/2011 7:58:33 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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To: julieee

Cain’s answer would indicate that he is “pro-choice”. Disappointing.


11 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:24 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I read it the same way myself, and was very surprised, and disappointed. I suspect we’ll hear a lot more about this, and very soon.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:49 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yes. You read it wrong. At the WORST he believes in the same exceptions as most of the rest of pro-lifers in this country..


13 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:59 AM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The “choice” he is talking about is specifically about carrying a baby produced by rape or incest to term. If that position is pro-choice, pro-Roe v. Wade, and pro-abortion, then who do we have left to vote for in the Republican Party? Alan Keyes is not running this year :(


14 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:59 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: TN4Bush
I saw the entire interview and what he said was he did not believe in Abortion for any reason but he also did not feel it was the place of the federal govt to regulate moral decisions.

What are laws, but the codification of someone's "moral decisions"?

The question I pose: In an abortion, is a person being deprived of life? If yes, then it is duty of ALL levels of government to protect this life. If not, then it can be a state issue.

15 posted on 10/20/2011 8:00:18 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Sounds like he may be personally anti-abortion....but outside of his personal opinion, no one should be burdened with a child!! Abort away!!


16 posted on 10/20/2011 8:01:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: julieee
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain is raising eyebrows today of pro-life advocates and political pundits who thought he had previously taken a pro-life position on abortion.

Herman Cain's faith, what little there is of it, continues to trouble me.

Morgan told Cain that his views on the question of abortion are important because he may very well become president someday and turn into public policy.

“Not they don’t,” Cain said of his views becoming law. “I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that they need to make”....

....“I believe in life from conception, and I do not agree with abortion under any circumstances,” Cain responded. “Not for rape and incest because if you look at, you look at rape and incest, the, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options. If it’s the life of the mother, that family’s going to have to make that decision.”

Pressed on the life of the mother exception, Cain stuck to his answer, saying, “That family is going to have to make that decision.”

Note the distinction between the government deciding, and the family deciding. Hey Herman - should the family or the government decide if rape should be legal?
17 posted on 10/20/2011 8:01:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: julieee
From the article:

"Cain responded to questions concerning abortion in the case of rape or incest and said that, while he is pro-life, government should have no role in making the decision. However, some observers say Cain was talking about more than rape or incest and point to his comments saying it appears he was talking about abortion in a general sense when saying government should have no role in protecting unborn children from abortions."

So it's not about what Cain said, it's about what some, anonymous, "observers" say what Cain was really talking about, even though it contradicts what Cain said only minutes before.

Cains abortion views are clear and this articles is a dishonest hit piece because Cain refused to sign the organizations "pledge". Good! I want my President beholding to no one except the voters, and this includes pro-life organizations.

18 posted on 10/20/2011 8:01:31 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I guess you’ll have to kick Rick Perry to the curb also:

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Rick_Perry_Abortion.htm


19 posted on 10/20/2011 8:02:19 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: julieee
Cain really has to do a better job of thinking before he speaks.
20 posted on 10/20/2011 8:02:30 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: TN4Bush

I see your point, but playing devil’s advocate here ... government is government. It is intellectually dishonoest to say gov’t shouldn’t be in the business of ... except gov’t should.

I’m just stunned by his comments though I freely admit I need to read more. Which I’m gonna do right now.


21 posted on 10/20/2011 8:02:46 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: jwalsh07
I watched the interview and while I believe Cain is pro life and that the most effective way to stop abortion is to return that to the states, Cain was in no way advocating it was the "choice" to have the child or put it up for adoption. Come on.

I would encourage everyone to go to Redstate.com and watch the 4 minute video and make your own mind up.

22 posted on 10/20/2011 8:03:11 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; julieee

“oh my... Cain is pro abortion?!?!?”

No. He’s not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2795465/posts


23 posted on 10/20/2011 8:03:36 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Sacajaweau
Rick Perry wants to keep abortion legal*

*for victims of rape and incest
24 posted on 10/20/2011 8:04:39 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: julieee

MORGAN: Abortion. What’s your view of abortion?

CAIN: I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances. And here’s why —

MORGAN: No circumstances?

CAIN: No circumstances.

MORGAN: Because many of your fellow candidates — some of them qualify that.

CAIN: They qualify but —

MORGAN: Rape and incest.

CAIN: Rape and incest.

Cain is specifically rejecting exceptions to anti-abortion laws that other candidates have put forth allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest.

So Morgan asks whether Cain would want his daughters to RAISE a child born out of rape and incest as their own. Cain replies that’s a decision for the family to make. That’s where the sick bastards who are trying to bring Cain down leap into action, making it seem like the question was whether Cain would want them to carry the baby to term:

MORGAN: Are you honestly saying — again, it’s a tricky question, I know.

CAIN: Ask the tricky question.

MORGAN: But you’ve had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?

CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?

MORGAN: Why?

CAIN: You’re mixing —

MORGAN: That’s what it comes down to.

CAIN: No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.

Some truth courtesy of dangus.


25 posted on 10/20/2011 8:05:11 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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To: julieee; All

I’m just going to post the relevant section of the article so that FReepers can judge for themselves what Cain really meant:

““Whats your view of abortion?” Morgan asks Cain in the interview.

“I believe that life begins at conception and abortion under no circumstances. And here’s why,” Cain said before Morgan interrupted him and asked, “No circumstances?” to which the presidential candidate replied, “No circumstances.”

Morgan told Cain that that sets him apart from many other Republican candidates who are pro-life but also believe in exceptions such as rape or incest or the life of the mother. He continued by asking Cain if he would ant his daughter or granddaught5er, if raped, to keep the baby — which Cain said “was mixing two things.”

“It’s not the government’s role, or anybody else’s role to make that decision,” Cain responded. “Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidence, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family, and whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.””


26 posted on 10/20/2011 8:05:50 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Prokopton
I hope your right, because now I am confused.

The article seems to imply that Cain is personally strongly against abortion even in cases of rape of incest, but as far as policy and laws go Cain (according to this article) seems to think the government should stay out of it, and leave the choice to women. Which would make him... pro choice..

He needs to clarify this asap. This is the kind of thing I want to hear directly from the candidate and not from excerpts from an interview.

27 posted on 10/20/2011 8:06:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: julieee

OMG he has said on numerous occassions he’s Pro-Life even in cases or rape and incest.

This trashing other candidates thing is getting old.

Why can’t you just support your Republican Candidate and quit trashing others?

If you don’t like Cain, that’s fine! Don’t vote for him. Conservatives shouldn’t be trashing each other.


28 posted on 10/20/2011 8:06:39 AM PDT by exist
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To: TexasFreeper2009

He was talking about raising the child (from rape) vs. putting it up for adoption. That is the part he said should be decided by the family.

He wasn’t talking about murdering the child.


29 posted on 10/20/2011 8:07:19 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Alex Murphy

So who is your candidate? I mean the one who would outlaw abortions in cases of rape or incest?


30 posted on 10/20/2011 8:08:20 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: jwalsh07
ok, now I see, he is pro choice when it comes to rape or incest, which is more reasonable.

the article was written to deceive.

31 posted on 10/20/2011 8:09:53 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: jwalsh07

Ah! Thanks for posting the original interview transcript. They even edited out of the article that Cain was talking about raising the child!

I thought lifesitenews was a reputable source, but after seeing this, I’m not taking their word for anything anymore. This is the kind of hatchet job I expect from MSNBC, not a conservative pro-family website.


32 posted on 10/20/2011 8:11:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: kosciusko51

Is it the duty of government to force all pregnant women to go to an ob/gyn at the first sign of pregnancy? Is it the duty of government to make sure all pregnant women live in stress-free environments and eat nutritious meals 3 to 5 times a day to ensure that growing babies are being properly incubated? Should women who have miscarriages due to any of these factors be criminalized? I know that I sound like a lunatic liberal here, but you say it is the duty of ALL levels of government to protect life in the womb. How far should that protection go?


33 posted on 10/20/2011 8:11:46 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Turtlepower

wow! your right ! man that’s is a tricky article! (and probably purposely done so)

Cain is talking about raising the children born from rape or incest!

good grief, I have had to read it 3 times to get the full meaning.


34 posted on 10/20/2011 8:12:17 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: exist

julieee’s posting record is exclusively posting articles.

Never once has “she” stuck around to comment or discuss the article with anyone on FR.


35 posted on 10/20/2011 8:13:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: TN4Bush

LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness....I think it is.


36 posted on 10/20/2011 8:13:47 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The specific thing that he was referring to was whether or not the women would KEEP and raise the baby.

NOT abortion. That is being taken out of context.


37 posted on 10/20/2011 8:14:12 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Boogieman

‘a conservative pro-family website.’

Pro-family, but not pro-black.


38 posted on 10/20/2011 8:14:37 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Fast & Furious: Holder gone by the end of the year.)
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To: jwalsh07
You're trying to use truth against Perrywinkles and Rombots?

Good luck with that...

39 posted on 10/20/2011 8:14:44 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Won’t work.

“I support right-to-life issues unequivocally and I adamantly support the first three aspects of the Susan B. Anthony pledge involving appointing pro-life judges, choosing pro-life cabinet members, and ending taxpayer-funded abortions,” Cain said this summer. “However, the fourth requirement demands that I ‘advance’ the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. As president, I would sign it, but Congress must advance the legislation.”

“I have been a consistent and unwavering champion of pro life issues,” Cain added. “In no way does this singular instance of clarification denote an abandonment of the pro-life movement, but instead, is a testament to my respect for the balance of power and the role of the presidency.”


40 posted on 10/20/2011 8:15:12 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Marie
you are absolutely correct, this is a very deceiving article.
41 posted on 10/20/2011 8:15:22 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TN4Bush
I saw the entire interview and what he said was he did not believe in Abortion for any reason but he also did not feel it was the place of the federal govt to regulate moral decisions.

Actually, listen to the question he was asked. It wasn't "should she carry the baby to term", the question was "should she raise the baby"

You then hear Cain objecting to the mixing of the question, then he answers it

I'm a Cain supporter, but I'll concede that he's tried to get a little "cute" in his interviews before, and he's made some gaffs then tried to back-pedal before, but I don't believe this is one of those times.

I think he was seriously believing that the interviewer had departed from the abortion issue and was now asking about the raising of the child.

Rookie mistake, and our boy has GOT to get better at this or these guys will eat him for lunch.

42 posted on 10/20/2011 8:16:48 AM PDT by mr_griz
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To: jwalsh07

I didn’t get that out of it at all. I never heard the word “adoption” or the phrase “raising the child.”

What bothers me is that he doesn’t know the meaning of the word “pro-life.” Other people make this mistake too. They tell you they are “pro-life” and you are ready to hug them and then they say “but I think every woman has to make that choice for herself.”

Margaret Hoover’s book is full of that kind of gibberish. The rejoicing that occurred a couple of years ago when some poll recorded 51% saying they were “pro-life” is another example. Later polls showed a quite different number by asking a more specific question.

We are dumbing down the term “pro-life.” It means our laws should be pro-life, not just our own little opinion.


43 posted on 10/20/2011 8:17:25 AM PDT by firebrand (Why didn't they impeach him before he started the revolution?)
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To: Alex Murphy

You guys are leaving off important context. Here’s the relevant portion from that article. Note that Morgan’s question was whether Cain would want HIS DAUGHTER TO KEEP A CHILD CONCEIVED THROUGH RAPE. That is the question Cain’s remarks are responding to, and it is MORGAN who says that whatever Cain says about his own daughter raising a child conceived through rape means that it is what he would legislate - to which Cain responds that he is NOT saying he would legislate that a woman has to KEEP her rape-conceived child (versus aborting the child) or that a woman HAS to sacrifice her own life for her conceived child.

Here is the relevant portion of the article, so everybody here can see the context even though many Freepers do not click to see the full article:

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“Whats your view of abortion?” Morgan asks Cain in the interview.

“I believe that life begins at conception and abortion under no circumstances. And here’s why,” Cain said before Morgan interrupted him and asked, “No circumstances?” to which the presidential candidate replied, “No circumstances.”

Morgan told Cain that that sets him apart from many other Republican candidates who are pro-life but also believe in exceptions such as rape or incest or the life of the mother. He continued by asking Cain if he would ant his daughter or granddaught5er, if raped, to keep the baby — which Cain said “was mixing two things.”

“It’s not the government’s role, or anybody else’s role to make that decision,” Cain responded. “Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidence, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family, and whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.”

Morgan told Cain that his views on the question of abortion are important because he may very well become president someday and turn into public policy.

“Not they don’t,” Cain said of his views becoming law. “I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that they need to make.”


44 posted on 10/20/2011 8:17:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: TexasFreeper2009

He’s already said it in like 10 effing interviews. He meant that in cases of rape/incest.


45 posted on 10/20/2011 8:19:16 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Post 25 makes it pretty clear. The choice was whether to raise the baby or put him/her up for adoption.


46 posted on 10/20/2011 8:19:33 AM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Boogieman

They even edited out of the article that Cain was talking about raising the child!
____________________________________________________________

From the article:

He continued by asking Cain if he would ant his daughter or granddaught5er, if raped, to keep the baby — which Cain said “was mixing two things.”

“It’s not the government’s role, or anybody else’s role to make that decision,” Cain responded. “Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidence, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.


47 posted on 10/20/2011 8:20:36 AM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Alex Murphy

Herman Cain is a Baptist Minister. What is wrong with you? What little there IS of it? How snide.


48 posted on 10/20/2011 8:21:01 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: butterdezillion

Thank you, Butter. Amidst the hysteria and misinformation, you consistently provide thoughtful, insightful analysis.


49 posted on 10/20/2011 8:23:56 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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