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Re: What Will Qaddafi’s Death Teach Our Enemies? (Mark Steyn)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | October 20, 2011 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/20/2011 2:31:40 PM PDT by neverdem

Cliff, there is a lot of truth in what you say. No one should weep for the pock-marked old drag queen’s vicious end. But, if ‘twere done, ‘twere better it had been done by the Americans after Lockerbie, or by the Brits after one of his diplomats shot and killed a London policewoman, Yvonne Fletcher, in St James’s Square, or by any other western nation after one or other of his many provocations twenty years ago. The post-Iraq Gaddafi of the last eight years was seen throughout the Arab world as a western ally. As recently as this spring, his son Khamis (a “reformer”, according to the State Department) was welcomed to this country and officially received at Nasa and the Air Force Academy. His visit to West Point was cut short only because the revolution broke out and he had to return to Tripoli to start shooting large numbers of people...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; islam; libya; marksteyn; muslimbrotherhood; obamasfault; qaddafi; saudiarabia; steyn; syria

1 posted on 10/20/2011 2:31:45 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Make no mistake, it's not revenge w, it's the reckoning"

Eventually you will take a dirt nap. Even with a Muslim/African/Communist President, the machine keeps rolling.

"Whether we bring or enemies to justice or justice to our enemies, justice will be done."

2 posted on 10/20/2011 2:35:46 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: JLS

Ping


3 posted on 10/20/2011 2:39:23 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

That they had better look out for the French.


4 posted on 10/20/2011 2:40:47 PM PDT by shankbear (The GOP and the mass media are giving us another McCain......thanks.)
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To: neverdem

you got to find a bigger hole to crawl into........


5 posted on 10/20/2011 2:43:50 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: shankbear

That they had better look out for the French.

I’ll say, did you see how they dressed Moammar?
French dressing.....feh.

Badaboom...


6 posted on 10/20/2011 2:44:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

Don’t bother trying to run; you’ll just die tired.


7 posted on 10/20/2011 2:44:27 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: neverdem
Re: What Will Qaddafi’s Death Teach Our Enemies? (Mark Steyn)...

That our "enemies", Bibi, Lee Myung-bak (South Korea), and the like should watch out, or our fearless leader will, behind the scenes, foment their demise with the tools the USA provides the resident of the WH?

8 posted on 10/20/2011 2:45:17 PM PDT by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: neverdem
What Will Qaddafi’s Death Teach Our Enemies?

That we now take close up shots of the dead leaders, so the enemy cannot declare terrorist leaders "still alive"..or my own version of Bones:
"the proof in the pudding"
[pictorial evidence of the bloodied body remains]

9 posted on 10/20/2011 2:46:09 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: neverdem

Here’s one lesson that will foment with some Middle Eastern governments: When your people rise up, use all means necessary to squash them cause if you do not, they may take your government down then kill ya. =.=


10 posted on 10/20/2011 2:46:19 PM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked
When your people rise up, use all means necessary to squash them cause if you do not, they may take your government down then kill ya. =.=

Only in this case, the people didn't rise up, the insurgents were mostly foreigners, who were aided by NATO.

11 posted on 10/20/2011 2:48:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JimRed

Nah, I disagree. I think is tells them:

“Don’t endorse Obama, because if he wins, he’ll support, encourage and endorse the execution of you and your family.”


12 posted on 10/20/2011 2:54:34 PM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: neverdem

I think Steyn is making the larger point that Libya made a deal on its weapons of mass destruction. Kaddafi’s dead now. What would Iran’s ayatollahs have learned from this? Get nukes and keep them.


13 posted on 10/20/2011 2:54:48 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: dfwgator

That’s true - and scary. Libya is being treated like the East European nations who were ‘liberated’ by the Soviet Union after WW2. Much of the sweet rhetoric and violent actions in Libya are straight from the Communist playbook.


14 posted on 10/20/2011 2:55:10 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, of course....given that, I don’t believe Syria’s Assad views it that way.


15 posted on 10/20/2011 2:55:32 PM PDT by cranked
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To: dfwgator

Look for Libya to become down the road another Islamic sharia-base run nation.


16 posted on 10/20/2011 2:55:58 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: BlackVeil

And a lot of those people in the streets cheering Qaddafi’s demise, were also in the streets cheering the return of the Lockerbie bomber.

If anything, they’re upset because Qadaffi “went soft” in his later years.


17 posted on 10/20/2011 2:56:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: neverdem
What will it mean???

"You, too, can stand against your opponent fighting wars against real terrorists, then turn around and create an completely ridiculous 'justified' war, oust a ruler and supporter his murders, all while maintaining your Nobel Peace Prize."

18 posted on 10/20/2011 2:57:14 PM PDT by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: cranked

Syria is different than Libya. Which is why Obama isn’t doing anything about it.


19 posted on 10/20/2011 2:58:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: neverdem
What Will Qaddafi’s Death Teach Our Enemies?

1) Nuke up.

2) Make oil/gas deals with Russia and/or China that include mutual aid pacts.

3) Seize NATO member citizens using criminal charges for hostage purposes.

20 posted on 10/20/2011 2:58:12 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: LibertarianInExile
Either that or Genghis Con (Obama - pun intended) is hoping to recreate the Ottoman Empire.

I thought he hated war; seems he just hates wars that benefit America.

21 posted on 10/20/2011 3:10:28 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Hey, Hippie...Occupy a LIFE!)
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To: neverdem
If you make deals with the united states government they are not worth spit and getting your hand on nuclear weapons with a dead man trigger is the only safe option.
22 posted on 10/20/2011 3:38:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: neverdem

The killing of Qaddify and Osama suggests one thing to me: They were killed to keep them quiet, they should have been a treasure trove of information, some of it about the CIA, I’m sure, and it is that information that really got them killed..


23 posted on 10/20/2011 3:41:21 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: dfwgator
Just cannot understand why people cannot see what happened here, the ragtags could not do anything, then a month later thousands poured out of the mountain, that knew how to use the weapons and drive tanks. Just wave the magic stick. No one ask where the professional solders came from .
24 posted on 10/20/2011 3:44:12 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
But at least they won't waterboard you. ;)
25 posted on 10/20/2011 3:58:42 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-brings-the-house-down-at-values-voter-summit/)
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To: The Wizard

Your post is 100% insightful.


26 posted on 10/20/2011 4:19:09 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping neverdem.


27 posted on 10/20/2011 7:39:30 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: The Wizard

You’re right.


28 posted on 10/20/2011 7:47:28 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

Nah, I disagree. I think is tells them:

“Don’t endorse Obama, because if he wins, he’ll support, encourage and endorse the execution of you and your family.”

Haha this^^— Atleast with Bush, it got you a flight out of the country to support terrorism another day. Obama is just an asshole to his fellow Muslims. Jusst straight up kills his brothers in Allah. What the hell did Gaddafi tell Reverend Wright to get this treatment.


29 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:45 PM PDT by Osamabindead
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To: LibertarianInExile

exactly


30 posted on 10/20/2011 8:31:43 PM PDT by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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To: neverdem
Like Steyn, I think it teaches them to stay on the offensive.

Full steam ahead with the jihad. Go out guns a blazing like Butch and Sundance, or you'll find yourself dragged out of a whole in the ground and executed like a punk.

Might not be the lesson we want to teach, might not be any alternative, but that's how I'd read it if I was in charge of my militant little miserable islamic sand puddle.

31 posted on 10/20/2011 8:47:49 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: shankbear
I agree.

The French military gets a lot of grief her on FR. The problem is NOT the French military, they are quite professional.

The problem is the French politicians, but even they can be expected to ACT when French national interests are at stake.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

32 posted on 10/20/2011 8:58:27 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm
Any guesses why Obummer support violent revolution only in countries seen as pro-Western?
33 posted on 10/20/2011 10:21:03 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster; dead

Bambi always comes down on the side of the Islamists, and without denying the fact that Murbarak and Qadaffi were dictators, both of them were opposed by Islamist forces (who also wanted to set up dictatorships, but purely Islamic ones).

But the other thing I have noticed about this is that the US is now consistently opposing the rule of law and in a sense the existence of states. Obama has a great fondness for mob action, as we are seeing with the Occupy Whatever people, and I think he also regards the modern nation state, usually having a constitution and governed by law, as something to be stamped out. Like the thoroughgoing Marxist that he is, he is seeking to install the Marxist dream of the dicatorship of the proletariat (the mob, actually) throughout the world. I think his true goal is to reduce all ME countries to the status of Somalia, that is, simply to territories controlled by lawless bands of Muslim thugs.


34 posted on 10/21/2011 12:33:58 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Obama is also systematically removing any leaders of Muslim countries who were in any way tolerant of a State of Israel.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 4:42:46 AM PDT by maica
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To: neverdem
"Bernard Lewis said a few years ago that, in the Middle East, America risks teaching the lesson that she is harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend."

Boy has this quote served to be prescient.

36 posted on 10/21/2011 10:22:41 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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Our enemies will learn that we won’t touch any despotate, no matter how despotic, if it has A) nuclear weapons or B) is Cuba.


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To: maica

Bingo!


39 posted on 10/21/2011 6:50:47 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOL)
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To: dfwgator
Syria is different than Libya. Which is why Obama isn’t doing anything about it.

Somehow, The Won has avoided in involvement in two Middle East uprisings -- Iran and now Syria. Both nominal enemies.

But gotten us involved in every other one -- all of them nominally on our side. And the Islamist movement benefitted from every one of them.

Wonder why the distinctions...???

40 posted on 10/21/2011 7:03:21 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

Erasing Israel as a nation has been one of the foundational principles of so many of Obama’s cronies. William Ayres, his wife, Medea Benjamin and the Code Pink crowd must be doing dizzy dances right about now.

They don’t need to endure any more uncomfortable boat trips to Gaza to break the Israeli blockade. Obama is doing it for them.

The Middle East is being given to Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Soon, all of our ships will find it difficult to transit the Suez Canal.

And how safe will our navy be in the Persian Gulf?

Etc, etc....


41 posted on 10/22/2011 6:00:11 AM PDT by maica
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