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Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
Washington Post ^ | October 20, 2011 | Manuel Roig-Franzia

Posted on 10/20/2011 5:54:25 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

During his rise to political prominence, Sen. Marco Rubio frequently repeated a compelling version of his family’s history that had special resonance in South Florida. He was the “son of exiles,” he told audiences, Cuban Americans forced off their beloved island after “a thug,” Fidel Castro, took power.

But a review of documents — including naturalization papers and other official records — reveals that the Florida Republican’s account embellishes the facts. The documents show that Rubio’s parents came to the United States and were admitted for permanent residence more than 21 / 2 years before Castro’s forces overthrew the Cuban government and took power on New Year’s Day 1959.

The supposed flight of Rubio’s parents has been at the core of the young senator’s political identity, both before and after his stunning tea-party-propelled victory in last year’s Senate election. Rubio — now considered a prospective 2012 Republican vice presidential candidate and a possible future presidential contender — mentions his parents in the second sentence of the official biography on his Senate Web site. It says that Mario and Oriales Rubio “came to America following Fidel Castro’s takeover.”

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eligibility; eligible; ineligibility; ineligible; marcorubio; naturalborncitizen; rubio
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1 posted on 10/20/2011 5:54:32 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

surprise, surprise.

this guy’s being flouted as our new president, but he’s done nothing.


2 posted on 10/20/2011 5:56:08 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Seizethecarp

Don’t you wish they were this thorough vetting another fellow I can think of?


3 posted on 10/20/2011 5:57:27 PM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: Seizethecarp
2 1/2 years before Castro’s forces overthrew the Cuban government and took power on New Year’s Day 1959

That still makes them exiles

4 posted on 10/20/2011 5:57:53 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Seizethecarp

If that’s the best they can do, then I would say that it’s the WaPo that is misrepresenting the facts. Castro began his revolution in 1952. The mere fact that he did not actually overthrow Batista until 1959 does not mean that the Rubios were not motivated to leave by the rise of Castro.


5 posted on 10/20/2011 5:59:19 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: fso301

It makes him an ineligible anchor baby.


6 posted on 10/20/2011 5:59:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: LucyT; ZachJones

ping...

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Rubio’s office confirmed Thursday that his parents arrived in the United States in 1956 but noted that “while they were prepared to live here permanently, they always held out the hope and the option of returning to Cuba if things improved.” They returned to Cuba several times after Castro came to power to “assess the situation with the hope of eventually moving back,” the office said in a statement.

In a brief interview Thursday, Rubio said his accounts have been based on family lore. “I’m going off the oral history of my family,” he said. “All of these documents and passports are not things that I carried around with me.”

He said of his parents: “They were from Cuba. They wanted to live in Cuba again. They tried to live in Cuba again, and the reality of what it was made that impossible.”

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7 posted on 10/20/2011 6:01:06 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Rubio said his accounts have been based on family lore. “I’m going off the oral history of my family,” he said. “All of these documents and passports are not things that I carried around with me.”

Bullcrap

8 posted on 10/20/2011 6:03:08 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Seizethecarp

It took his parents 19 years to become US citizens.


9 posted on 10/20/2011 6:03:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Seizethecarp

Native born, not natural born.

Like me.

Ineligible to be President or VP.


10 posted on 10/20/2011 6:03:27 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: ken21

I like the guy, but he isn’t eligible to be president besides the fact he hasn’t done anything.


11 posted on 10/20/2011 6:03:39 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: exit82

Like me as well. Native born, not natural born.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 6:04:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: wolfman23601

heard that one of his top aids lobbied the state (FL) to bump up it’s primary. Hmmmmmm.


13 posted on 10/20/2011 6:05:05 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: buccaneer81
Marco Rubio

born May 28, 1971 in Miami, FL (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Mario Rubio born in Cuba, naturalized Nov. 5, 1975.
Oria Garcia born in Cuba, naturalized Nov. 5, 1975.

Parents were NOT US Citizens at the time of his birth (Does NOT meet the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Marco Rubio is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Morco's status is the same as that of Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, who is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

14 posted on 10/20/2011 6:05:05 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet
Well, if Romney wins the GOP, nomination, we would have a situation where each candidates Father was born outside of the USA.
15 posted on 10/20/2011 6:09:27 PM PDT by FritzG
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To: buccaneer81
It makes him an ineligible anchor baby.

I think it's always been clear that Rubio isn't a natural born citizen.

16 posted on 10/20/2011 6:10:36 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Brilliant

However, Rubio claimed that his parents came to the US AFTER Castro took over Cuba.


17 posted on 10/20/2011 6:12:16 PM PDT by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: tanuki
“Don’t you wish they were this thorough vetting another fellow I can think of?”

Sure do. This story was sent to me as a WaPo “alert”!

I am still waiting for any alerts on Obama’s family “embellishments”...not to mention the embellishments on his LFBC and in his "Dreams"!

18 posted on 10/20/2011 6:12:34 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: tanuki
The Washington Promised a lot in this story but they failed to provide evidence to back up their contentions.

This is getting to be more and more the case with the Post as it goes totally out of the news business.

19 posted on 10/20/2011 6:14:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fso301
I think it's always been clear that Rubio isn't a natural born citizen.

The problem is we have a majority of citizens including a boatload of FReepers who want no part of the Constitutional truth.

20 posted on 10/20/2011 6:14:55 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: trumandogz

Yeah, but that’s not “embellishment.” It’s just inaccuracy. Embellishment is when you try to make it appear that you’re something that you’re not.


21 posted on 10/20/2011 6:15:16 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: trumandogz
Rubio claimed a lot of things about his parents' travels back and forth several times between the US and Cuba.

He was a little kid ~ his direct memories may well be unclear when it comes to time but the Post provided information regarding where his parents were, and they were there before Castro and after Castro. They were also in the US before Castro and after Castro.

Remember, Batista ~ plenty of people fled the Batista regime. That didn't mean they were Castro's favorites.

The Washington Post writers failed to support their initial arguments.

22 posted on 10/20/2011 6:17:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: exit82

I keep hearing that... “ineligible to be President”. Clearly this is a tiger without any teeth, as if elected, Rubio would be the THIRD president with this distinction. So given the precedence, and that the courts clearly define this distinction differently, and “the system” is unwilling or unable to address it, continued discussion is wasted effort IMHO.


23 posted on 10/20/2011 6:18:34 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Brilliant

It is not an embellishment, it is not an innacuracy, it is an outright lie.


24 posted on 10/20/2011 6:18:43 PM PDT by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: trumandogz

Nice try.


25 posted on 10/20/2011 6:22:11 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: muawiyah

Seems like a smart native born citizen like Rubio would have a more accurate understanding of his family history.


26 posted on 10/20/2011 6:23:59 PM PDT by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: muawiyah
“The Washington Promised a lot in this story but they failed to provide evidence to back up their contentions.”

I disagree.

If true, WaPo has proved that Rubio’s family were not political refugees of the Communist Revolution, but were economic immigrants. In 1959 Castro was still claiming publicly to be in favor of multi-party democracy and had many non-Communists fighting with him (folks that he and Che quickly liquidated after taking power).

BTW, the comments to this article have immediately jumped to WaPo's failure to vet Obama's bio!

27 posted on 10/20/2011 6:25:35 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: FritzG
Romney's parents were US Citizens at the time of Mittens birth.

George on the other hand was not a natural born citizen, and shouldn't have run for President in 68.

28 posted on 10/20/2011 6:25:51 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Seizethecarp

but obama’s mother died of cancer without health insurance- or something like that...


29 posted on 10/20/2011 6:26:18 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: bigdaddy45

That dog won;t hunt.

Chester Arthur deceived his contemporaries—it was not found out until well after his term that he was ineligible.

The second person is Obama, and he is a disaster for America. If we had the Generation of 1776 here, he would be in prison by now, but there is a distinct lack of testicular fortitude in DC for the last twenty years.

A third person—should never be allowed to happen.


30 posted on 10/20/2011 6:30:40 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: buccaneer81
You are correct. Marco Rubio is NOT a natural born Citizen.

Notice this slippery wording used by the Washington Post employee Alice Crites:

"A similar claim has been made in blogs and other forums because Rubio’s parents were not citizens when he was born in Florida in 1971. But legal scholars on both sides of the McCain debate told The Post that Rubio’s citizenship does not appear to be an issue."

The issue is NOT Rubio's citizenship, but wether he is a natural born Citizen as required by article II of the Constitution. Of course Washington Post employee Alice Crites is NOT allowed to tell us that for obvious reasons.

31 posted on 10/20/2011 6:33:04 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert
“The issue is NOT Rubio’s citizenship, but wether he is a natural born Citizen as required by article II of the Constitution. Of course Washington Post employee Alice Crites is NOT allowed to tell us that for obvious reasons.”

Yup. I am making my way through the 500+ comments to see if this is pointed out. There are some articulate constitutionalists posting comments.

32 posted on 10/20/2011 6:38:06 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
"I am making my way through the 500+ comments to see if this is pointed out. "

I'm sure an employee of the Washington Post will be ready with the delete key if it is pointed out.

33 posted on 10/20/2011 6:45:54 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Seizethecarp
Who gives a f*** about his "compelling family story"?

What has he DONE to make him a plausible national leader? Being able to talk to the pool boy without a translator doesn't count.

34 posted on 10/20/2011 6:48:03 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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Name Another Site Where You Can Get As Much Information

Can't Think Of One?

Then Why Don't You Donate

35 posted on 10/20/2011 7:03:07 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Brilliant

True, but it also greatly embellishes the story, which is made to sound like his parents fled with mass chaos and destruction all around them.


36 posted on 10/20/2011 8:05:15 PM PDT by hitchwolf
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To: ASA Vet
This is demented. George Romney was never anything except a U.S. citizen by birth. He was never subject to Mexican citizenship since they did not recognize Jus Soli birthright. His parents were only ever U.S. citizens.

The Naturalization Act of 1790 says, "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens."

That is precisely George Romney's case. By that early congress's view he was eligible for POTUS.

37 posted on 10/20/2011 8:07:46 PM PDT by newzjunkey (This is where birthers go off and rant about the 'holy writ' of Vattel. /s)
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To: Seizethecarp
I'm not a fan of Rubio. Lots of hype going on about him with no record of him doing anything special.

I think it's mostly about getting the latino vote & nothing more than that.

38 posted on 10/20/2011 8:15:50 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: LADY J

he certainly could bring the “female vote” to the republican party.


39 posted on 10/20/2011 8:17:10 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Seizethecarp

so I see the press is still interested in the personal history of “some” people.


40 posted on 10/20/2011 8:19:15 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: LADY J
“I think it's mostly about getting the latino vote & nothing more than that.”

I've seen an analysis showing that if the same percentage of Hispanics voted for McCain as for Bush then McCain would have been president.

The Rovian GOP establishment sees Rubio in the VP slot as the sure-fire way get back that enough Hispanics to win in 2012...or at least get Florida back in a pinch!

41 posted on 10/20/2011 8:34:52 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Scotswife
"he certainly could bring the “female vote” to the republican party."

The last time I looked - I'm a female!!! He would NOT ge my vote.

42 posted on 10/20/2011 8:49:17 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: LADY J

why don’t you like him?


43 posted on 10/20/2011 8:50:56 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife
"why don’t you like him?"

I don't dislike him as a person - but the reason for all the hype & promoting him as a VP & future President escapes me & my gut feeling just discounts any good reason for that.

All of them are spouting great 'Condervative' values, but that doesn't elevate them to such high levels with no apparent qualifications.

Why do you like him?

44 posted on 10/20/2011 8:57:01 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: Scotswife
"why don’t you like him?"

I don't dislike him as a person - but the reason for all the hype & promoting him as a VP & future President escapes me & my gut feeling just discounts any good reason for that.

All of them are spouting great 'Condervative' values, but that doesn't elevate them to such high levels with no apparent qualifications.

Why do you like him?

45 posted on 10/20/2011 8:57:40 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: All

I apologize for the repetitive posts.


46 posted on 10/20/2011 8:59:57 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: LADY J

I don’t know much about him.
I’ve seen him interviewed a couple of times, and he came off very well.
After the tea-partiers were sworn in and they kept pushing through continuing resolutions, I remember him bristling at that - that they weren’t sent to DC to pass CR’s.

Oh! He’s very easy on the eyes!!! LOL.

Other than that - I have more homework to do.
This WAPO story is amusing....since when are they interested in somebody’s personal history right?


47 posted on 10/20/2011 9:01:07 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife
"This WAPO story is amusing....since when are they interested in somebody’s personal history right?"

If it's anyone they label a Conservative - they dig way back for any negatives or mud they can rake up. With Obama - not so much!!

48 posted on 10/20/2011 9:10:03 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: bigdaddy45

So, you’re saying, screw the Constitution?

What part of National Law don’t you understand?


49 posted on 10/20/2011 10:56:45 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: newzjunkey

“...The Naturalization Act of 1790...” was rescinded before 1800. So it matters not a tinker’s damn what it said over two hundred years ago.


50 posted on 10/20/2011 10:58:47 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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