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Posted on 10/21/2011 5:15:12 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
MINNEAPOLIS — Minneapolis police say a man who witnessed an elderly woman being robbed and pistol-whipped shot and killed her attacker.
Authorities say the armed robber confronted the woman in the parking lot of a grocery store about 10 p.m. Thursday, took her purse and hit her in the head with his gun. A man who witnessed the robbery chased the suspect and shot him. When police arrived, the witness told officers he had a permit to carry a gun and that he had shot the armed robbery suspect during a confrontation outside a nearby restaurant. He told officers where they could find his handgun. He was detained for questioning.
Police say the robber who was fatally shot was in his 20s. Investigators say they found his gun near where the shooting took place.
(Excerpt) Read more at therepublic.com ...
The dead perp is Amish, I’m sure.
I hope he 's given a award for improving the community. He took out the trash.
I believe the stain and his regime sent a sympathy card to the perp’s family expressing their deep sorrow and condolences. It also contained a picture of the stain bowing.....to no one in particular.....just bowing.
The shooter is toast. You just can’t shoot a robber running away since it is no longer a threat. The guy will do time.
When police arrived, the witness told officers he had a permit to carry a gun and that he had shot the armed robbery suspect during a confrontation outside a nearby restaurant.
If he was chasing the guy, and the perp stopped and confronted him while armed, the shooter will have a very good case for self-defense. Especially if other people saw it.
I suspect a good deal will depend where the bullet went in. If the bullet's in the guy's back, he is indeed probably toast. In MN, anyway. He'd be fine in TX.
Not if he can convince the cops that the perp turned the gun in his direction. He might be okay.
Too true. If I were king for a day, he’d get a medal, the keys to the city and a parade. We need to encourage incidents like these. That is a true crime stopper.
we’ll see. these things are not static.
he could have disengaged then re-engaged hostilities.
I hope the good samaritian had a valid permit and isn’t charged. anyone giving an old lady a beating deserves a fatal bullet.
I love warm-fuzzy stories like this one...
“Not if he can convince the cops that the perp turned the gun in his direction. He might be okay.”
In truth it will come down to the prosecutor, or maybe a jury.
I’m not sure about MN, but here in Ohio that shooter would be at the mercy of the system.
Believer it or not, you have a “duty to retreat”, not chase the guy.
I agree. That is exactly what I was told when I went through the CC classes. You need to be in fear for your life when you elect to use your carry arm.
MFO
The perp won’t be pistol-whipping another elderly person,that’s the real positive thing to come out of this situation.
The only guy to kill two robbers by shooting them in the back while they ran away and get away with it was a minister in Big Lake, Alaska. They robbed the donations. The minister was found not guilty by reason of self-defense because the church had been robbed twice before and the minister thought that if he didn’t stop them now, they would be back and the actual “threat” would be in the future. Anyway, sometimes it is very good to have a small town jury.
This is the only way true justice is achieved. Thank God this vermin was killed! Price of Justice? One bullet. No going into the criminal injustice system where he would be appointed (at our expense) a sleazy, morally challenged, criminal defense attorney. No endless appeals (at our expense). No liberal judge to sentence him to 1/100 the time he should have served. No idiotic parole board to let him out early so he could then prey on other innocent people.
Good riddance to the perp !
With people recently being beaten and robbed by gangs within sight of a Minneapolis police station and the police doing nothing, no wonder citizens in the Twin Cities feel a need to protect themselves.
Good shooting, Citizen. Civilization thanks you.
anyone got the over/under on future references to the dead perp including the phrases:
aspiring rapper
always a good kid
just fell in with the wrong crowd
was turning his life around
“young father”
“honor student”
LOL.
you could write for a newspaper!
Is this the kind of thing biden-buddy was talking about? Of course he “suggested” murders were/would be up....does biden-buddy lump justifiable homicide in self defense with actual murder?
Guy’s an enigma, wrapped in a mystery, dipped in ...... government stuff
km: doh! how could I have forgotten those?
petro: I may need to steal your description of Biteme for other uses...
Of course that's what happened. Let's hope the good guy realizes that.
By all means, the more the merrier.
Cheers
The good Sammy was released from custody.
not to say they won’t charge him later, but as of now, he’s free.
I don’t care how or where he shot him. He walks if I’m on the jury.
Why we need “open season doctine”.
Pull a gun to rob someone, and it is now open season on them.
Why we need “open season doctine”.
Pull a gun to rob someone, and it is now open season on them.
From what I have heard on the local radio They kept him overnight for questioning and released him this morning. They have not filed any charges yet.
from link in #32. . .
Andrew Rothman, a Twin Cities firearms trainer and vice president of the Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, said Friday afternoon that if the events unfolded as the armed citizen described, “the permit holder acted appropriately. Chasing the mugger to recover the purse or to effect a citizen’s arrest is permitted by law.”
And, Rothman continued, if the suspect “then escalated by pointing and/or shooting at the good Samaritan, the good Samaritan would have been completely justified in shooting.”
The robber certainly is a threat to the next little old lady he comes upon...Thats the way I would put it to a jury if I was the heros lawyer...
I like Andy...he’s a real sharp guy. But, this is MN and this Good Samaritan is screwed.
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I actually don’t know much about the legal system, but I thought cops initially make the decision about whether or not to arrest, and if they don’t, the chances of being charged later just seem lessened, unless they treat it as a homicide to be investigated. Do cops have any frontline authority in how such a matter is classified (self-defense as opposed to murder) or do all such matters by-pass them and go directly to someone higher, like the D.A.?
Depends on the jurisdiction. In North Dakota, you can intervene using lethal force on behalf of another who is in immediate danger of serious bodily injury or death and unable to defend themselves.
Hey, when you see a dog with rabies, you shoot it.
What’s the difference?
People come back and yack “But he’s a human bean...”
Which makes him a violent, vicious, predator with intelligence. Way, way, way more dangerous than a rabid dog.
People also talk about “The wild, wild west...”
Tell ya what. Women and children could walk the streets back then without fear.
They “detained” the Samaritan? That’s crappy. Maybe it’s because, for some reason, he did not have custody of his weapon (told the Police “where it was.”). Not a lot of detail in the story.
I would think your average cop would find that card interesting, in that it shows you may have been planning to shoot someone for a while (premeditation). I’d memorize the contents and say it, rather than flipping a ready-made card on the police if I happen to have to shoot somebody.
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I disagree, but suit yourself. I think it is extremely important what the cop finds interesting: he/she has the power to throw you in the slammer for the sheer pleasure of doing it. They're professional a-holes, and they're given the authority to destroy your life on a whim. I chuckle at the keyboard tough guys who think they have some sort of influence over a beat cop, and all they have to do is whip some card on them like it's a game of Monopoly. I still think, as a practical matter, you are causing yourself more trouble by having a prepared speech for a cop investigating a shooting, your unsupported refutation notwithstanding.
If you'd prefer to verbalize that is a personal decision but all that one should say is, "I was in fear of my life and I'd like to speak with an attorney." Nothing else. You may end up being booked and spending the night in jail but that is much, MUCH preferable to incriminating yourself with extraneous talk.
All true. I prefer to verbalize and *keep it short*. It's not that hard to do. And you'd still be spending that night in jail if you had a handy card printed. More likely if you come across as a smart-ass waving a prepared speech in their face.
(BTW, I agree with that poster who told you the other day your text boxes and centered font is unpleasant. I also agree with the other poster who said it makes it easier to skip by your posts.)
text boxes and centered font are unpleasant
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