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ATF Ignored Death Threats, Tried to Frame Whistleblower Agent to Cover Corruption
Townhall.com ^ | October 21, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 10/21/2011 6:34:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

Jay Dobyns is a father, husband and 25-year, highly respected and highly decorated Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms Special Agent. He was the first law enforcement agent to ever successfully infiltrate multiple layers of the notoriously dangerous and violent Hells Angels motorcycle gang through "Operation Black Biscuit." He has described the Hells Angels as having their "PhDs in violence," and worked undercover in the gang for two years. Dobyns has dedicated his life to undercover service for ATF and took a bullet through the lung at one point for the agency. Luckily, he survived.

Dobyns has put number of the nations’ most violent criminals behind bars, which naturally comes with threats from those criminals and their buddies in return. After he finished his work bringing down the Hells Angels, things were no different.


Approximately a year after Operation Black Biscuit concluded beginning in 2004 through 2008, Dobyns and ATF became aware of credible and substantial violent threats against him and his family. Those threats included plans to murder him either with a bullet or by injecting him with the AIDS virus, kidnapping and torturing his then 15-year-old daughter and kidnapping his wife in order to videotape a gang rape of her. Dobyns and ATF also learned contracts were solicited between the Hells Angels, the Aryan Brotherhood and the MS-13 gang to carry out these threats.

During Operation Black Biscuit, Dobyns operated as a special field agent under ATF Phoenix Field Office management. At the time of the threats, that management team included Special Agent in Charge of the ATF Phoenix Field Division William Newell, Assistant Special Agent in Charge George Gillett and ATF Deputy Assistant Director William McMahon, who served as Newell’s direct supervisor at the time. All were intimately involved in Operation Fast and Furious. Newell and McMahon have both testified before the House Oversight Committee regarding their roles in the lethal gun trafficking operation that deliberately put over 2,000 high powered weapons into the hands of ruthless Mexican drug cartels and lost south of the border.


These threats were laid out in prison letters and confirmed through FBI and ATF interviews of confidential informants inside the Florence Corrections Facility and the Arlington County Detention Center in Virginia. Also found circulating in the Florence Facility by a prisoner known as the captain of the Aryan Brotherhood named "WHITEY," was an extensive hit list with Jay Dobyns as a top target. Leaders of each gang in the prison had a copy of list and had been given "permission to kill" persons listed according to ATF documents and interviews. Dobyns’ name, in addition to a detailed description of his appearance, also came up in prison yard talk.


"A confidential source stated that it observed WHITEY go into a box within his cell that contained a large number of letters. The confidential source stated that WHITEY pulled out a plain white envelope from within the box, removing a legal sized piece of paper that was full of names. The confidential source explained that the list was broken down into columns, with names, the affiliation of the person who was named and who had approved the “green light” (given permission to kill the person or who ordered the "hit"). The confidential source stated that while looking at the list he recalled several names on the list that were law enforcement officers (approximately 16 names), specifically stating the name "JAY DOBYNS ATF," a report from an interview conducted by ATF Special Agents Jeffery Grabman and Frank D’Alesio with FBI Special Agent Laura Kidwell present shows.  "WHITEY knew Dobyns had a daughter, stating that if he were to find the daughter he would torture her."


Grabman, D'Alesio and Kidwell verified these threats were credible and management agents in the Washington D.C. ATF office were practically begging the ATF Phoenix Field Office to the threats seriously and investigate.

Dobyns reported these threats to Special Agent in Charge William Newell, asking for protection for his family. The threats were based in Arizona and Dobyns lived in Arizona at the time. Newell was in charge of investigating and handling all threats made against agents working out of the ATF Phoenix Field Office. The threats were ignored. When Dobyns essentially "blew the whistle" on Newell, pointing out his failures to address violent death threats against a federal agent, he was retaliated against. Newell dismissed the threats and then covered up his blatant dismissal of those threats within the Phoenix Field Office.

Additionally, in response to the ATF/FBI interview, despite all the evidence the death threats were credible, Special Agent in Charge of the Los Angeles Field Division John Torres, who like Newell has also been promoted into ATF headquarters, informed Dobyns through an email, "The Chief of Operations Security does not deem the emergency action is required as of this date and time."


Later, a DOJ Inspector General report concluded that management within the ATF Phoenix office, despite having the necessary resources, did not adequately address threats made against Dobyns and found "absence of any corrective measures proposed to address the failure to conduct timely and thorough investigations into the death threats made against Dobyns."

In addition, a U.S. Office of Special Counsel report concluded, "I note with concern the absence of any corrective measures proposed to address the failure to conduct timely and thorough investigations into the death threats made against Special Agent Dobyns. ATF does not appear to have held anyone accountable in this regard. Fully addressing the problems and failures identified in this care requires more than amending ATF policies and procedures. It requires that threats against ATF agents be taken seriously and pursued aggressively and that ATF officials at all level cooperate to ensure the timely and comprehensive investigation of threats leveled against its own agents."

On top of ignoring death threats, recently Dobyns' house was set on fire at 3 a.m. with his wife, son and daughter sleeping inside in a confirmed act of arson. It is suspected members of the Hells Angels, or close associates of the gang carried out the arson in retaliation of Dobyns’ undercover work.

 

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When Dobyns reported the incident to both ATF and Newell and asked for an investigation into the case, Newell not only refused to investigate, calling the incident "just scorching," but allowed his subordinates, including Gillett, to attempt to frame Dobyns, accusing him of purposely burning down his own home with his family inside, has named him as a suspect and is investigating him. Newell conspired to destroy and fabricate evidence to "prove" his case. Emails, witness testimony, phone conversations and other documentation show the ATF Phoenix Field Divisions’ intentions, led by Newell,  were  to frame Dobyns, yet Newell denied under oath any involvement in this activity. His subordinates Gillett and ATF Tucson Group Supervisor over Operation Wide Receiver Charles Higman, also denied any attempts to frame Dobyns under oath, despite evidence showing otherwise.


The retaliatory actions of Newell, and other ATF management agents, were reported to ATF senior management at the highest levels and were ignored.

ATF is notorious for retaliatory action against field agents, but the Dobyns case brings that retaliation behavior to a new level. Credible death threats, backed by evidence from inside the prison system, the investigation of the U.S. Office of Special Counsel and the Office of the Inspector General in the Bush Justice Department, were ignored by ATF management in the Phoenix Field Division Office and at ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. Evidence of the threats was also sent to Congress and the President of the United States.


“Numerous mid-level ATF managers the senior leadership of three ATF field divisions and the Executive Staff of ATF in Washington D.C., along with ATF's Internal Affairs and the Chief Counsel office were all directly involved in, and responsible for the death threats against me. Unfortunately, mine is not an isolated incident. ATF management's pattern of reckless behavior in this area is institutional. It has been historically tolerated and promoted.” Dobyns wrote in a letter to an attorney in the U.S. Office of Special Counsel in late October 2008.


So why does this matter? Newell was the brainchild of Operation Fast and Furious in the ATF Phoenix Field office. Newell is also the agent who was in regular contact with a member of the White House national security team, Kevin O’Reilly, about the lethal program. Newell also said he would conduct Operation Fast and Furious again, despite two Americans and hundreds of innocent Mexicans dead as a result of the program.


Newell used Dobyns as a test run, to see just how much he could get away with in his management position within ATF before getting reprimanded. Considering nobody was held accountable for the mistakes made in handling death threats against Dobyns, Newell knew he had the green light to do whatever he wanted, at the highest levels of corruption. The Dobyns case empowered him. Newell was protected and defended for ignoring violent death threats against a federal agent, he had free reign to do what he wanted. This gave Newell everything he needed to get away with Operation Fast and Furious, which started in Fall 2009.  

After allowing 2,000 guns to flow freely into the hands of dangerous Mexican cartels, Newell said under oath that he never let guns walk into Mexico, despite massive amounts of evidence, whistleblower testimony and detailed maps proving otherwise. Keep in mind, ATF Operation Fast and Furious Whistleblowers like John Dodson, Pete Forcelli and Vince Cefalu have all experienced retaliation for their efforts to expose corruption within ATF.

Since purposely ignoring death threats made against Dobyns, deliberately trafficking thousands of weapons into Mexico and repeatedly lying under oath, William Newell has been promoted to a position within ATF in Washington D.C. William McMahon is no different. He too was promoted and now oversees the ATF’s Office of Professional Responsibility and Security Operations or in other words, ATF’s Internal Affairs Division. George Gillett, who orchestrated the frame job against Dobyns was moved out of the ATF Phoenix office following his heavy involvement in Operation Fast and Furious and is now assigned as ATF’s liason to the U.S. Marshall’s Service in Washington D.C.

 
"ATF wasn’t going to do anything to Bill Newell. They were going to defend and protect him because he was their golden boy," Dobyns tells Townhall. "Why are you protecting this guy? What has he ever done to even deserve your loyalty let alone your protection?"

If ATF had taken steps to hold Newell, Gillett, McMahon and others responsible for their irresponsible actions surrounding the Dobyns case, Fast and Furious wouldn’t have happened, but because ATF openly rewards bad behavior and corruption, Fast and Furious was utterly predictable. ATF executive leadership left these people in place to rule in this agency. They left management in the ATF Phoenix Field Office in place despite documentation showing they were incompetent.

"The agency and the field agents in the agency know those stories and it’s demoralizing across the board because the agents, the people with their boots on the ground are going to say, 'You know what, Jay Dobyns went out there and laid it down for this agency and he’s getting attacked by the agency where a guy like Bill Newell who never left his desk, basically conducted his career with a suit and tie on is being protected.’ Even after all the things that everybody knows he did, he’s still being hidden and defended and protected,'" Dobyns says.

Throughout the years it has become clear that ATF is more interested in protecting and promoting the corrupt practices of the men who have made careers profiting off of corruption, obstruction of justice and lies, like Newell, rather than rewarding field agents taking out dangerous criminals like ATF Special Agent Jay Dobyns, ATF Operation Fast and Furious Whistleblowers John Dodson, Pete Forcelli, Vince Cefalu and others for their bravery and sacrifice to fight violent crime and for exposing corruption within the agency. The bottom line is, ATF as an agency doesn’t care about recommendations or evidence of misconduct, in fact, the agency rewards screw ups on a regular basis.   The Dobyns case could be counted as the most reckless case of retaliation in ATF history, yet nobody has been held accountable for it.


"The identical techniques, tactics, practices and personnel that were used on me were repeated in Fast and Furious. You’ve got a flawed response plan that is not well thought out, both to the gun trafficking in Fast and Furious to the threats against me. You’ve got the same people who are at the tip of the spear in developing the plan to send thousands of weapons to Mexico and ignoring death threats and not realizing when it is failing. Then you’ve got the point when they get called out and caught in their bad acts both in Fast and Furious and my threat response. Then you go into the immediate denial of ‘no we didn’t do that.’ Then, when it starts to be proved, you go into the attack on the person that exposed it, that blew the whistle. They attacked me just like they attacked John Dodson and Pete Forcelli and those guys. Then you go into the cover-up where they are denying the evidence and hiding the evidence of what they did wrong and then you go into the lies under oath that they’re denying and raising their right hand, swearing to tell the truth and willingly and intentionally not telling the truth," Dobyns says.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; billnewell; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; georgegillett; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; obama; statedept; whistleblowers

1 posted on 10/21/2011 6:34:59 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

ATF...eating their own.


2 posted on 10/21/2011 6:38:42 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kaslin

I have no words to describe what I’m feeling at this moment.


3 posted on 10/21/2011 6:41:33 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Kaslin
Throughout the years it has become clear that ATF is more interested in protecting and promoting the corrupt practices of the men who have made careers profiting off of corruption, obstruction of justice and lies, like Newell, rather than rewarding field agents taking out dangerous criminals like ATF Special Agent Jay Dobyns, ATF Operation Fast and Furious Whistleblowers John Dodson, Pete Forcelli, Vince Cefalu and others for their bravery and sacrifice to fight violent crime and for exposing corruption within the agency.

Of course. Bureaucrats like people who will follow orders (no matter how illegal or insane) and do what their seniors want more than they like people who get the "official" job done.

The "official" job is rarely the real job. The real job is to expand the power and budget of the bureaucracy by doing the dirty jobs that their political patrons desire.

4 posted on 10/21/2011 6:46:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Kaslin
It sure seems like the entire federal bureaucracy is totally out of control. It extends past the ATF to the EPA and DOE and probably every other agency. We have to get a handle on this it is outrageous.
5 posted on 10/21/2011 6:49:58 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: Bigun

About thirty years ago I read an add in the pennysaver, “learn to fly cheap”.
I called and it was a young man who’d just graduated Emery Riddle and offered to teach cheaply.
I met him at the local donut shop on a Saturday and after talking a few hours we went to Stuart Airport and went flying over to Indiantown airport.
A most perfect privately owned airstrip with a crumbling trailer for an office. I went in for a coke and there was a poster there labeled the Ten Biggest lies in Aviation.
#1, Hi, I’m from the gub mint and I’m here to help.
Got my ticket and have been avoiding F.A.A. and any other gub mint types ever since.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 7:01:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish))
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To: Kaslin
This is corruption on a scale that if it was described in a novel would place the book in the category of science fiction. At the suggestion of a European colleague I just read and finished the Swedish The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo trilogy (English translation). The plot of the second and third books revolves around this kind of government within a government conspiracy and the danger to all who expose it. Where's someone like little Lisbeth Salander or the intrepid Blomquist when you need them?
7 posted on 10/21/2011 7:05:19 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: MestaMachine

The attacks against the rule of law are more and more blatant every day.

The terror in “The Dark Knight” came from people WITHIN THE SYSTEM, who were supposed to be protecting people and seeking justice, engaging in terrorism and crime themselves. The Joker could do anything he wanted simply by getting help from the corrupt people within the system.

We are so there.

Here is the initial post I made on my blog to describe why I decided to speak out on the corruption I had personally observed. The lawlessness that has recently been revealed on Fast & Furious, Solyndra, Light Squared, etc bears out what I said back in January of 2010. If we refuse to address the criminal corruption WITHIN THE SYSTEM - which put Barack Obama into office rather than into jail, and has allowed him & his servants to do all the garbage they’ve done to this country - we will look exactly like Mexico or “The Dark Knight”. In addition, people should realize that the Fast & Furious guns were never equipped with tracking devices; the only way they were EVER going to be “tracked” is AFTER they were found at a murder scene. IOW, these guns were INTENDED to kill, and the people who were INTENDED to use them were, specifically, the druglords who have carried out violence in Juarez and other places. Places where townspeople have fled for safety to the US because their whole town was being massacred. IMHO, Eric Holder wanted to create a “Darfur” on our southern border so that compassionate people would say we HAVE to let these people flee to America. Absorb that. Eric Holder WANTED to create in Mexico the situation from “The Dark Knight”, so we would have an excuse to allow illegals to flee to America, where they could carry out Cloward Piven and destroy capitalism and the American way of life.

Sick, sick, sick.

Here’s what I wrote in January of 2010:

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News reports stated that in Mexico, drug lords killed a rival member and sewed his face onto a soccer ball. The difference between Mexico and The USA is law enforcement. In Mexico law enforcement is sold to the highest bidder. If America ever reaches that point, guard your children because anything can happen to them and you can’t do a thing to stop it.

Obama’s eligibility is and always has been about law enforcement, because our entire system of law enforcement of already-existing laws has utterly failed. This has nothing to do with politics.

It doesn’t much matter whether the guy with his face sewn on the soccer ball was a democrat or republican, or whether he favored or opposed healthcare reform or any other political issue. If there is nobody willing to enforce a law, that law doesn’t exist. Period. Why argue about what laws get made and by whom, if the laws we have are enforced like Mexico’s?

That is the issue here. You can say, as did our Senators a few years ago regarding perjury and obstruction of justice, ”Tee-hee. It’s just about sex. It doesn’t matter.” Or in this case you can say, “The birthers are crazy. Move on.”

The subject of the investigation is irrelevant; the fact that law enforcement refuses to investigate is the issue. When lawless people get control of a system and manipulate what gets enforced, you’ve become Chicago. Or Mexico. Today the subject not being investigated is the violation of open records laws and government cover-up of known forgery. Those crimes have allowed a person into office who has committed extortion (threatening anyone who would report on Obama’s eligibility, as well as lawyers for car dealers) and who violated bankruptcy law to steal money from secured investors and give it to unions instead. For a wider-angle view of his actions so far (with links) see here, here, and here. (I gave up on keeping score after 6 months).

You can laugh at extortion & government cover-ups of forgery and perjury if you think it’s just about – tee-hee – birthers, but I’m telling you right now: If law enforcement doesn’t matter, then welcome to Mexico. I hope your children have a good time kicking your face when they see it sewn onto a soccer ball. Because by refusing to address this you are consigning your children to that kind of world.

Seriously think about “The Dark Knight” – which gave my kids nightmares for weeks. Watch it again so you can clearly remember what lawlessness looks and feels like. If, like me, you would die before willingly handing your kids’ future over to lawlessness, then keep reading at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/


8 posted on 10/21/2011 7:08:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Joe Boucher

You are a wise man!

The ATF has been forever a rogue agency. That was true at Waco and, from what I’m seeing, is still true today.


9 posted on 10/21/2011 7:18:06 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: butterdezillion

Very perceptive, butter. Been saying from Day One, it’s a LAW thing, but nobody listened. Seems few are listening even now.
We get no justice. We get entertainment to pacify us so we don’t yell too loudly.


10 posted on 10/21/2011 7:26:49 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for the great post. Incredible work on the Pics.

This goes directly to the top, at 1600 Penn. Ave.

It is TIME! To clean out the rats nest.....


11 posted on 10/21/2011 7:28:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
You're welcome. I only copied and posted the pictures that were included in the article

This goes directly to the top, at 1600 Penn. Ave.

There is no denying it

It is TIME! To clean out the rats nest.....

Bump

12 posted on 10/21/2011 7:36:20 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: PapaBear3625

“The “official” job is rarely the real job. The real job is to expand the power and budget of the bureaucracy by doing the dirty jobs that their political patrons desire.”

Bears repeating. Thanks for such a nicely worded Unified Theory of Everything Government.


13 posted on 10/21/2011 7:38:58 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kaslin; All
--while I don't disagree that the ATF is a totally corrupt agency at the top, this is not the entire Jay Dobbins story--

--while infiltrating the "Angels", he went "rogue", as it were, and became obsessed with becoming one--and admits to as much in his book--

--he should have been pulled out, disciplined and fired long before he was---

14 posted on 10/21/2011 7:46:20 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Bigun

It’s not just the BATF, I’ve read stories about the FBI and Justice Dept that really make you wonder what side they may be on?


15 posted on 10/21/2011 7:48:27 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish))
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To: Kaslin
Clearly, one should fear "the government" as parts of it are very corrupt. It is time to change that and make government afraid of the people.

When Dobyns reported the incident to both ATF and Newell and asked for an investigation into the case, Newell not only refused to investigate, calling the incident "just scorching," but allowed his subordinates, including Gillett, to attempt to frame Dobyns, accusing him of purposely burning down his own home with his family inside, has named him as a suspect and is investigating him. Newell conspired to destroy and fabricate evidence to "prove" his case. Emails, witness testimony, phone conversations and other documentation show the ATF Phoenix Field Divisions’ intentions, led by Newell, were to frame Dobyns, yet Newell denied under oath any involvement in this activity. His subordinates Gillett and ATF Tucson Group Supervisor over Operation Wide Receiver Charles Higman, also denied any attempts to frame Dobyns under oath, despite evidence showing otherwise.

The retaliatory actions of Newell, and other ATF management agents, were reported to ATF senior management at the highest levels and were ignored.

ATF is notorious for retaliatory action against field agents, but the Dobyns case brings that retaliation behavior to a new level. Credible death threats, backed by evidence from inside the prison system, the investigation of the U.S. Office of Special Counsel and the Office of the Inspector General in the Bush Justice Department, were ignored by ATF management in the Phoenix Field Division Office and at ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. Evidence of the threats was also sent to Congress and the President of the United States.

16 posted on 10/21/2011 7:56:14 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Joe Boucher

Small wonder they wish to register firearms?


17 posted on 10/21/2011 7:58:30 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Kaslin

Ping


18 posted on 10/21/2011 7:58:35 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: Kaslin
Newell was the brainchild of Operation Fast and Furious in the ATF Phoenix Field office.

Newell is also the agent who was in regular contact with a member of the White House national security team, Kevin O’Reilly, about the lethal program.

Newell also said he would conduct Operation Fast and Furious again, despite two Americans and hundreds of innocent Mexicans dead as a result of the program.

This was a criminal act! If I am even careless with my firearm and someone gets a hold of it and hurts or kills someone, I am deep dodo. Arrest need to made and charges of AT LEAST negligent homicide need to leveled.

19 posted on 10/21/2011 8:01:26 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: Joe Boucher

If you are talking about the justice department under Eric “The Red” Holder you can wonder no longer!


20 posted on 10/21/2011 8:02:14 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Bigun; butterdezillion; Joe Boucher

In general, one of the best reforms I can think of would be to return most of the Departments to agencies in the Department of the Interior, forcing them all to become one level of organization smaller.

The ATF, however, should be further restricted to being a division of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and only have jurisdiction in Indian Country and federal lands.


21 posted on 10/21/2011 8:07:53 AM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge for President!)
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To: Kaslin
...revolves around this kind of government within a government conspiracy...

...Bookmarked and BUMPED. Excellent article and good on yer Kas...

22 posted on 10/21/2011 8:09:06 AM PDT by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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To: mrreaganaut

How about we just do away with the BATF altogether and let regular treasury agents deal with what they are supposed to be doing?


23 posted on 10/21/2011 8:14:23 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: dagogo redux; PapaBear3625
Let me add a LARGE A M E N ! ! !
24 posted on 10/21/2011 8:18:03 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Kaslin
...William Newell has been promoted to a position within ATF in Washington D.C. William McMahon was promoted and now oversees the ATF’s Office of Professional Responsibility and Security Operations or in other words, ATF’s Internal Affairs Division...

If ATF had taken steps to hold Newell, Gillett, McMahon and others responsible for their irresponsible actions surrounding the Dobyns case, Fast and Furious wouldn’t have happened, but because ATF openly rewards bad behavior and corruption, Fast and Furious was utterly predictable. ATF executive leadership left these people in place to rule in this agency. They left management in the ATF Phoenix Field Office in place despite documentation showing they were incompetent...

My main problem with this article is that it appears the author is still buying into the federal government's spin job - that this was a rogue operation running out of the Phoenix office.

It was not! These men were not operating outside the box. They were operating in the box, doing exactly as directed by the powers in Washington DC.

They were NOT promoted despite their actions regarding Fast and Furious, they were promoted to reward them for their actions and to keep them close and quiet.

I really hope the Republicans in congress are not bringing knives to this gun fight. Knowing them, they're probably bringing spoons.

25 posted on 10/21/2011 8:18:07 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MestaMachine

“it’s a LAW thing”

BUMP!!!

I stated on the day of his “corronation” (inauguration):

“Welcome to New Kenya. (Africa U.S.A.)”

“Where the law of the jungle has replaced the Law of the Land.”

TF


26 posted on 10/21/2011 8:21:16 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: mrreaganaut

Federal anything is not readily accepted on Indian Reservations.
ATF sould be disbanded and many of its current and former employees should be in prison.


27 posted on 10/21/2011 8:28:51 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish))
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To: Bigun

“How about we just do away with the BATF altogether and let regular treasury agents deal with what they are supposed to be doing?”

It’s hard to ax these things once they’re established (BATF was created by George Washington); reforming things is commonplace. That’s why I know the IRS will never be eliminated, even if we get a national sales tax to replace the income tax.

Yes, it’s also unusual for anything federal to be downsized, but it’s politically much easier than actually axing something off the org chart. Reagan was going to eliminate Carter’s Department of Education; it’s still here, while Reagan isn’t.


28 posted on 10/21/2011 8:38:54 AM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge for President!)
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To: Kaslin
Cain on foreign policy....With clarity, identify those who are enemies and stop giving them money......

Works for enemies both foreign and domestic.

Cain is able.

29 posted on 10/21/2011 8:48:24 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obama's ratings are so low...Kenyans accuse him of being born in the USA,)
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To: mrreaganaut

If what you say is true and we really cannot reform the government then we might as well say goodby to this once great republic and go sit under the shade tree for what remains of our lives.

I don’t believe that and never will!


30 posted on 10/21/2011 8:54:11 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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Click to Talk to the Hand

You have the right to chatter your little head off.
Anything you say will be laughed at hysterically.
Requests for an attorney will be ignored.
No one's paying for a dang thing for you.
I don't care whether you understand or not.


Prevent this kind of abuse
Abolish FReepathons!   Go Monthly

31 posted on 10/21/2011 9:07:41 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Kaslin
This is exactly what a gangster govt looks like.


32 posted on 10/21/2011 10:04:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin

Explosive stuff....!

ATF is now either nearing the end of it’s lifetime or we’re about to bust out onto a completely new level of corruption and lawlessness.


33 posted on 10/21/2011 1:07:30 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Bigun
I have the words. However, I do not wish to further try the understanding and good will of the Admin Mods here by posting them.

Suffice it to say, what I would have said would have been pulled rather quickly even though it would have contained no foul language.

34 posted on 10/21/2011 1:14:19 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: MestaMachine

Placemark to read every word tomorrow.

What happened to our country?


35 posted on 10/21/2011 10:20:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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