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1 posted on 10/21/2011 9:44:09 AM PDT by Justaham
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http://www.freeraepublic.com/focus/f-news/2795865/posts


2 posted on 10/21/2011 9:49:25 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The Obama voters are dumber than you think, meaner than you can imagine)
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So I guess the refurbished and idle former Saturn plant in Spring Hill, Tennessee wasn’t good enough.


3 posted on 10/21/2011 9:49:47 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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“Henrik Fisker said the U.S. money has been spent on engineering and design work that stayed in the U.S., not on the 500 manufacturing jobs that went to a rural Finnish firm, Valmet Automotive.”

From one ham to another, I believe him. I really do.

I'm reminded of the guy that goes to the racetrack promising to place the $200 trifecta bet for his buddy.
The buddy is ecstatic the next day when he reads the paper and his bets came in on the nose, but his friend laments that he was mugged on the way to the track and the muggers took his $200. Luckily, he had his own $200 hidden in his shoes.

5 posted on 10/21/2011 9:52:16 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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So you've decided to sit this Freepathon out, eh?
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9 posted on 10/21/2011 9:57:48 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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Well that does it!!! I’m going to go camp out on Wall Street then. That’ll fix everything!


10 posted on 10/21/2011 9:59:40 AM PDT by The Toll
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Not to mention the BOGUS MPGe rating [52 MPG equivalent] that the EPA gave it.

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From Forbes:

“The Fisker Karma electric car, developed mainly with your tax money so that a bunch of rich VC’s wouldn’t have to risk any real money, has rolled out with an nominal EPA MPGe of 52 in all electric mode (we will ignore the gasoline engine for this analysis).

Not bad? Unfortunately, it’s a sham. This figure is calculated using the grossly flawed EPA process that substantially underestimates the amount of fossil fuels required to power the electric car, as I showed in great depth in an earlier Forbes.com article. In short, the EPA methodology leaves out, among other things, the conversion efficiency in generating the electricity from fossil fuels in the first place.

In the Clinton administration, the Department of Energy (DOE) created a far superior well to wheels MPGe metric the honestly compares the typical fossil fuel use of an electric vs. gasoline car.

As I calculated in my earlier Forbes article, one needs to multiply the EPA MPGe by .365 to get a number that truly compares fossil fuel use of an electric car with a traditional gasoline engine car on an apples to apples basis. In the case of the Fisker Karma, we get a true MPGe of 19. This makes it worse than even the city rating of a Ford Explorer SUV.

Congrats to the Fisker Karma, which now joins corn ethanol in the ranks of heavily subsidized supposedly green technologies that are actually worse for the environment than current solutions.

Postscript: I will say, though, that the Fisker Karma does serve a social purpose — Hollywood celebrities and the ultra rich, who want to display their green credentials, no longer have to be stuck with a little econobox. They can now enjoy a little leg room and luxury.

Updates: Just to clarify, given some email I have gotten. Most other publications have focused on the 20 mpg the EPA gives the Karma on its backup gasoline engine (example), but my focus is on just how bad the car is even in all electric mode. The calculation in the above article only applies to the car running on electric, and the reduction in MPGe I discuss is from applying the more comprehensive DOE methodology for getting an MPG equivilent, not from some sort of averaging with gasoline mode. Again, see this article if you don’t understand the issue with the EPA methodology.

Press responses from Fisker Automotive highlight the problem here: electric vehicle makers want to pretend that the electricity to charge the car comes from magic sparkle ponies sprinkling pixie dust rather than burning fossil fuels. Take this quote, for example:

“a Karma driver with a 40-mile commute who starts each day with a full battery charge will only need to visit the gas station about every 1,000 miles and would use just 9 gallons of gasoline per month.

This is true as far as it goes, but glosses over the fact that someone is still pouring fossil fuels into a tank somewhere to make that electricity. This seems more a car to hide the fact that fossil fuels are being burned than one designed to actually reduce fossil fuel use. Given the marketing pitch here that relies on the unseen vs. the seen, maybe we should rename it the Fisker Bastiat.”

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If you wanna read about Forbes methodology, referred to in the article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2010/11/24/the-epas-electric-vehicle-mileage-fraud/


12 posted on 10/21/2011 10:38:41 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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