Dr. Doom and Cthulhu 2012
It's too late for compromise
Posted on 10/21/2011 12:09:14 PM PDT by Fred
Cain 37% Romney 27% Ron Paul 12% Perry 6%
86% say they're somewhat or very satisfied with the current GOP field.
Univ of Iowa Poll Press Release 102111
(Excerpt) Read more at news-releases.uiowa.edu ...
The income tax started out as a flat tax. Oddly, for nearly 150 we got along fine without taxing production. I like you, so I’ll be as polite as I can in responding. ANY income tax is stupid, an abomination, and was never intended for our people by our Founding Fathers. NO INCOME TAX IS ACCEPTABLE. EVER.
I just wished he would dump the insane 999/909/9.19.19.1 plan and opportunity zone crap and embrace a simple flat tax that will make the whole country into an opportunity zone without new bureaucracies and new forms of taxes.
I am against all taxes.
So you want an income tax plus a new sales tax? Plus special favors for the inner cities to attract your job to go there? All of which will require new bureaucracies to administer.
In other news the Science dept of University of Iowa announces a working time machine....
Film at 11 with newspaper headlines from next week....
Obama calls for his jobs bill to be passed....
Yes, Cain is very much pro life.
And none of them won because the Establishment pushed John McCain on us, spiced up with Sarah Palin. Old Juan has been making himself quite apparent lately, are we going to let them do it to us again? NO! Herman Cain is the worst nightmare to the Commies in power. Let us stay with him until he sits in the oval office to repair his country. To help his campaign please write your most generous checks and send them to:
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“I think Cain is the best candidate but this 999/909 plan and opportunity zone nonsense is pathetic crap.”
I agree with you. I like Cain (I like lots of people), but I HATE 9-9-9. He unequivocally stated that the 9-9-9 was an attempt to unite FairTaxers with Flat Taxers. The only thing it unites is what both diametrically oppose into one, and will not work (Which is why about a month after coming up with 9-9-9, he made Phase 2 of 9-9-9 the FairTax, which he originally supported as stated in the first debate, pre-9-9-9). Not a single person running is perfect, and I encourage you to vote for whoever you think would be best for president.
Don’t get caught up with the “Pick your pony-strap on your blinders” crowd. I don’t like their leftists tactics when they support a candidate I don’t like, and I certainly don’t like it when they use those same tactics to support a candidate I DO like. But you need to seriously rethink your position on a flat income tax, because any and all taxes on labor are a part of the problem, not the solution.
:o) Perry’s chances?
Where do you think La Raza Ricky will finish?
Oh noooooossssss. Liberal perry has gone from 7 percent to 6 percent. Supporters still bashing Cain.......think perry will win. What am I not seeing that his supporters are???????
Where we gonna meet ?
Oh noooooossssss. Liberal perry has gone from 7 percent to 6 percent. Supporters still bashing Cain.......think perry will win. What am I not seeing that his supporters are???????
thanks copied for future posting if necessary. You should save that post as I’m sure the question will be asked again and again and sometimes by the same people! lol
Rick Perry is a klutz.
Delete the sarcasm post...looking at the wrong date line....need more coffee...
You name the time and the place. I’ll be there.
What you just said was only part of my point, which was Iowa was wide open and polls this far out can be wrong, the money and the organization is still in development.
Good idea to post a link for Cain, if you’re a suuporter of his - he will need to raise MUCH more money to begin to compete with Romney and Perry.
Iowa can be lost but a win will help with the $$$ as well.
“So you want an income tax plus a new sales tax? Plus special favors for the inner cities to attract your job to go there? All of which will require new bureaucracies to administer.”
No, but I understand that you’ve been attacked from all directions in this thread, so I won’t take it personally that you’re lashing out at me, and putting words into my mouth. I like Cain, but hate 9-9-9, I have said it on every thread in which I took part in that discussion.
“I am against all taxes.”
I’m not, because our Government was intended to have a few roles, and those have to be paid for. I prefer they be paid for by constitutional taxes (tariffs, excises and duties) directly linked to the service provided (such as stamps for the post office, toll roads/gas taxes, import duties to pay for border agents and customs officials, etc.), which you cna opt out of by not using the good or service over which they administrate. But that is a far, far cry from what the government is doing now. We agree on more things than we disagree on, and I still value your opinion. I ask that you try and differentiate between those with legitimate criticism, who may be in agreement with you on most or nearly all issues, and those who are attacking you in a knee jerk reaction. Lest you become them...
That is just too funny...
This most not be a liberal main stream lieing media poll that would put Romney way ahead and try to convince us Romney is our man.
“What am I not seeing that his supporters are???????”
The “Pick your pony” blinders they have strapped over their eyes.
It’s Saturday Night Live!
Stop that! You’re raining their parade! ;)
Agreed, 19% flat income tax is way too high—I’d rather have the 9% and eventually roll that back to 0% with the abolition of the IRS, as Cain’s plan suggests.
Naturally, I’m against any and all forms of taxation, but I’d prefer the sales tax over a flat income tax. Firstly because a sales tax is more consistently visible than an income tax—the latter only shows up on your paychecks and tax returns, etc. I’d rather keep it constantly thrown up in people’s face how much they’re being extorted by the State. A sales tax accomplishes this end better than a flat tax.
Secondly, a sales tax minimizes class warfare tactics by better assuring that everyone has “skin in the game” so to speak. An income tax is still a tax on success, whether it’s flat or progressive.
dead last, thank goodness
When we trim the fedgov enough, we won’t need any direct taxes at all.
WOO HOO!
Raise CAIN!!!!
I want to say, that I thank you for your post, you’ve described my feelings (and what I KNOW to be true, also), and I thank you for taking the time to write it. This bears repeating:
“Firstly because a sales tax is more consistently visible than an income tax—the latter only shows up on your paychecks and tax returns, etc. I’d rather keep it constantly thrown up in people’s face how much they’re being extorted by the State...An income tax is still a tax on success, whether it’s flat or progressive.”
His large colon?
Should I bring my light saber? After all you are possessed by the Dark side .
Even behind Gary Johnson, Rick Santorum and the spray-on tan guy?
“I like Cain, but hate 9-9-9,”
I am in this boat also. He needs to drop the 999 mumbo jumbo and stick to the basics. Private sector jobs and a realistic federal budget. Cutting the federal work force, getting rid of baseline budgeting, etc. The big new ideas just scare the soccer moms/dads and give the dems issues to demagogue. We will need these dim bulb moderates to get rid of barry. President Cain can push major reforms after he is elected.
While that may be true, I believe in the opposite approach. The real life one: “You have this much money, now cut until you get down to that amount.” Rather than the “I want to spend this much money, you get to foot the bill” curently employed by all levels of government. There will be a second civil war, fought for the same reasons. Some people want a federal government king, and some people don’t. The terms and faces involved have changed throughout history, the conflict has not. The idea that someone must work to provide for someone who rule’s them, is age old, and always meets the same end.
Sure, no problem. :)
Cain is the one. Forget all the rest.
Cain doesn’t have a chance in hell to get the 9-9-9 passed but it will show the people he has specific ideas that are more than adding to the already GINORMOUS size of the tax code.
Thanks you for taking the time to post this. This is what Bachmann should have told the guy at the debate when she was asked, how much money a worker deserved to keep.
No no no. Perry and Cain are conspiring together to keep RP from winning. It’s so obvious!
lol. Here’s what you brought in, now spend that.
Agreed. My persoanl analysis of the situation is this. Cain originally supported the FairTax (and logically still does, I’ll get to that). I think his advisors warned him that that would be too radical a change (closer to restoration, actually), so he came up with the 9-9-9 plan to “unite the Flat taxers and the FairTaxers.” Now he has a plan that I don’t really think that he believes in (after a month, he put up on his site that Phase 2 of 9-9-9 is to go to the FairTax), but that he is forced to defend. I think he’s caught in a bad position, because if he emphasizes the transition to the FairTax he will further isolate the “I want slavery! errr “Income tax” crowd, and come under fire for implementing 9-9-9. The mantra will be, “Why change to this radical system if you’re not going to keep it?” (Ideas like “transition” are lost on those who demand a permanent government strongarm). If he keeps defending the 9-9-9 plan, he’ll have to keep tweaking it in an attempt to please people, and that will look doubly bad (see “Empowerment” now “Opportunity” Zones).
I don’t have a political solution for him, but I think he needs to look at exactly what it is that he wants, and take the political loss required to unwind himself from the 9-9-9 plan, and then use his true passion to win over people. I see people get into these positions all the time, the sooner they unwind from them, the better. If he does manage to win the election, he’ll still face the same polititcal roadblock after getting the office, but will end up spending all his efforts unwinding then, rather than now. That’s my take.
You know how the fable goes, try and please everybody and you please nobody.
Absolutely, I have never seen a quasi flat tax get this much discussion. I doubt 999 will see light of day either, but it could inspire some good changes
And I am kind of like Bachman it is too close to 666 s/\
melissa
LOL, that’s how my household runs, then again, I don’t have the color of law to rob people and imprison them (not that I would want to, anyway).
Seriously, no one even brought up Perry, so no idea what your crying about. Perry isn’t even a factor anymore, lets focus on taking out Romney and clearing the way for Cain to bring this home early so we can focus out attention on Obama.
The only thing now standing between Cain and serious delegate counts is money, and that will come in like a flood if he shows he can win a primary or two.
Thanks, I agree. I like a lot about Bachmann, but she’s not perfect. I think she makes a great representative, but I’m not sure how well she would do as President (that may be a moot point in the current election anyway). But I don’t demand prefection from whomever it is that I will vote for. I demand they love the constitution, or at least respect it, that they love freedom, and that they not want to build up Federal power, but to allow people to grow and prosper according to the principles of choice and consequences, that God laid out for us. I know that’s what the Founders wanted, too. They said as much.
I’m very un-worried about this. Congress would craft it, meaning that you could end up with 9-9 and forget the sales tax, which will likely happen. The explosion in business would be stunning.
“A simple flat tax will be preferable.”
We have a large underground economy with some ripping off social services while driving around with $1,000 rims on their cars. The 9% sales tax is the only way to tap into many of these parasites. With flat tax they pay nothing.
The 9% tax on income is less than SS & medicare working people pay now. With no taxes on capital gains and dividends, maybe us worker bees who save can accumulate a nest egg. Privatized SS could finally allow poor people to inherit the $ now confiscated at death. Cain will unleash the economy.
Can I get my snowball with rootbeer flavoring?
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