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Flashback: Herman Cain wants to see $6 trillion in cuts
Quad-City Times ^ | 10/21/11 | Ed Tibbets

Posted on 10/22/2011 2:23:56 PM PDT by justsaynomore

Negotiations on the federal debt ceiling aren't aiming high enough, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said in the Quad-Cities on Monday, arguing he would like to see spending cuts go as high as $6 trillion over 10 years, two to three times the level now being contemplated.

Cain, the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza, blamed President Barack Obama and Congress for allowing the debt ceiling talks to come down to the wire, saying it's a failure of leadership. In an interview, he rejected the idea negotiators should satisfy themselves with $2 trillion in cuts over 10 years.

"It's not enough," he said. "I'd like to see, over 10 years, somewhere in the range of $5-to-$6 trillion. And I happen to believe that it is perfectly doable if you do one of the things I have been advocating out here on this campaign journey. Restructure these programs. As long as we're talking about just cutting them and not restructuring them, then they're never going to get their hands around the whole issue of spending."

Over the weekend, a White House proposal to put together a $4 trillion in deficit reductions over 10 years as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling was rejected.

Republicans have said they won't go along with revenue increases, which Democrats are demanding. As a result, talks are centered on reducing spending by $2 trillion to $3 trillion. The debt ceiling is now at $14.3 trillion.

Cain was in Davenport as a guest speaker at the Scott County Republican Women's luncheon at Thunder Bay Grille.

He drew a sizeable crowd, and a handful of people said later they were impressed by his common touch.

"He makes sense," said Bill Edmond, a Davenport alderman and Republican activist. "We need more people who practice common sense" in Washington, D.C.

Cain said he would take federal Medicaid and education funds and send them to the states to give states more flexibility.

He also said he would cut corporate and payroll taxes and eliminate taxes on corporate profits now being held overseas in an effort to promote the economy.

Cain's stop in the Quad-Cities was one of two for the day. He also was going to Urbandale to open his state campaign headquarters.

He also took questions from the group Monday.

In answer to one man's complaint about how some people - "idiots," he called them - aren't educated about basic civics and how the government works, Cain drew laughs when he said the first step was to "save the saveable."

"I believe that what this gentleman is referring to represents what I call the clueless 50 percent," Cain said. "Unfortunately, a lot of them vote. That's the problem."

Cain said that could be combatted by conservatives turning out to vote next year - as some did not for John McCain in 2008 - and that the "pendulum has already started to shift" to draw independents and moderates away from Obama toward a better alternative.

"Things are beginning to shake out," he said. "I happen to believe we have the ability to get the right votes in the right places."

Read more: http://www.qctimes.com/news/local/government-and-politics/fc2ee288-abf4-11e0-a3d1-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1bXyoNy97


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; cap; debt; hermancain; spendingcuts
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I just saw this and don't remember posting it in July, so here ya go :-)
1 posted on 10/22/2011 2:24:02 PM PDT by justsaynomore
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To: justsaynomore

That’s a start.


2 posted on 10/22/2011 2:30:55 PM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: justsaynomore
he would like to see spending cuts go as high as $6 trillion over 10 years

So would I.

It takes more than a magic wand and one person to make it happen.

Want in one hand and sh!t in the other and see which one fills up first.

***No disrespect intended***

3 posted on 10/22/2011 2:33:25 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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4 posted on 10/22/2011 2:34:38 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: justsaynomore
arguing he would like to see spending cuts go as high as $6 trillion over 10 years, two to three times the level now being contemplated.

Mathematically challenged media - that is at least FIVE times the $1.2 Trillion "deficit reduction" the commission has been charged with finding. In other words, the current politicians will come up with a combination of tax increases and spending reductions equal to $1.2 trillion. Cain apparently wants $6 tillion in spending cuts alone.

5 posted on 10/22/2011 2:36:20 PM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: EGPWS

I say it’s good that he is telling people what he intends.

When Cain talks about his tax/jobs plan, some people complain that he is not talking about cutting spending enough.

When he talks about cuttings pending, some people will complain it is pie in the sky.

I for one, believe he will do it. He made the hard cuts, layoffs, franchise closures, in order to save Godfather’s.


6 posted on 10/22/2011 2:38:07 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore
...arguing he would like to see spending cuts go as high as $6 trillion over 10 years, two to three times the level now being contemplated.

If Cain wants to balance the budget under 9-9-9 then he'll need $6 trillion over three years. Of course, that was under the original 9-9-9. The way he's been exempting people and companies from taxes lately we could well be talking about $8 trillion in cuts by now.

7 posted on 10/22/2011 2:38:24 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: justsaynomore

JULY 11, 2011

Surprising this line has not been splashed across the media:

In answer to one man’s complaint about how some people - “idiots,” he called them - aren’t educated about basic civics and how the government works, Cain drew laughs when he said the first step was to “save the saveable.”

“I believe that what this gentleman is referring to represents what I call the clueless 50 percent,” Cain said. “Unfortunately, a lot of them vote. That’s the problem.”
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Oooooops - of course he’s correct;)

Read more: http://www.qctimes.com/news/local/government-and-politics/fc2ee288-abf4-11e0-a3d1-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1bY4ws91a


8 posted on 10/22/2011 2:38:33 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature.)
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To: justsaynomore
And an electrified fence that kills and a moat. Are you sure he wasn't’ joking? Maybe he didn't’ understand the question? Wait, why not 9 trillion?
9 posted on 10/22/2011 2:39:34 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: justsaynomore
I for one, believe he will do it. He made the hard cuts, layoffs, franchise closures, in order to save Godfather’s.

He needs a good team in administration augmented by a workable house and senate before headway can be achieved....let alone a judicial that isn't prone to follow political agenda.

10 posted on 10/22/2011 2:42:53 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: justsaynomore

Herman Cain knows well of what he speaks! Ignore him at our own peril. And please pray for his safety and for his well being. Thank you.


11 posted on 10/22/2011 2:43:04 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: SoJoCo

Actually, this statement was made before the 9-9-9 plan.

By the way, people under the poverty level do not pay income taxes now. Under Cain’s plan they will have to pay 9% sales tax.


12 posted on 10/22/2011 2:45:00 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!


13 posted on 10/22/2011 2:47:41 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: EGPWS

I agree.

I personally believe we will have Republican Senate and House, and I bet we end up with even larger number of conservatives this time around. If anyone can lead them to make these cuts, I believe he can.

It may be pie in the sky, but nothing gets done without an idea, risk, and faith.


14 posted on 10/22/2011 2:48:28 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore
Actually, this statement was made before the 9-9-9 plan.

And he didn't give any details on where he would cut apparently. And now we have his 9-9-9 plan which changes almost hourly. Who knows how much revenue it will actually generate, and how much in cuts will be needed to actually balance the budget when he's done tinkering with it?

15 posted on 10/22/2011 2:51:40 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: normy
And an electrified fence that kills and a moat. Are you sure he wasn't’ joking?

Reminds me of the joke Perry once told about wanting to give illegal aliens amnesty under a so-called "guest worker" program. Oops, no wait, the joke's on us because he was serious about that.
16 posted on 10/22/2011 2:52:22 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: SoJoCo

That’s not true.

“Empowerment Zones” were always part of the plan. If you had ever bothered to actually go to the site and read the plan you would know that. The links to the actual plan were posted here many times.


17 posted on 10/22/2011 2:56:06 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore

Besides voting for Herman Cain, we must see that term limits are imposed on Congress. thee terms for the House and two terms for the Senate. Career Politicians become plastered with corruption. Keep it short. Keep it simple. With NO pensions! That will cut a mighty slice out of the budget by itself! Those deposed can speak their little speeches, write their little books, and even serve at the local level if the people so decide.

Congress will serve the country better with people from the real world. So we must vote all the old timers out! Not being a politician is a great big plus today and every day!


18 posted on 10/22/2011 2:56:57 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: SoJoCo

Correct me if I’m wrong, but so far all of the supposed “changes” to the 9-9-9 plan I’ve heard about so far were in the plan all along and the people screaming about “changes” never actually read the plan.

If you could point out an actual case of the plan changing from the original proposal, as opposed to elements being fleshed out in public like the ‘opportunity zones,’ then I would appreciate it.


19 posted on 10/22/2011 2:58:26 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: justsaynomore

$6T is an enormous step in the right direction, but it’s still far below the $9-13T projected 10-year increase in the national debt. We need more!


20 posted on 10/22/2011 3:01:27 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Of the declared candidates: (1) Perry, (2) Cain. I'll happily vote for either if he's the nominee.)
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To: MitchellC
You and Romney do well together with that lie you tell over and over. Amnesty is citizenship.

Cain has you suckered because he is a salesman. 6 trillion in cuts is to get you to go "WOW Cain is serious"

Yeah I heard it when he talked about his electric fence that kills Mexicans. He now touts Perry's border security plan almost to a T.

21 posted on 10/22/2011 3:02:53 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: MitchellC
You and Romney do well together with that lie you tell over and over. Amnesty is citizenship.

Cain has you suckered because he is a salesman. 6 trillion in cuts is to get you to go "WOW Cain is serious"

Yeah I heard it when he talked about his electric fence that kills Mexicans. He now touts Perry's border security plan almost to a T.

22 posted on 10/22/2011 3:03:04 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: bgill

exactly, that’s just a start


23 posted on 10/22/2011 3:04:44 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MitchellC
Correct me if I’m wrong, but so far all of the supposed “changes” to the 9-9-9 plan I’ve heard about so far were in the plan all along and the people screaming about “changes” never actually read the plan.

How can we tell. His original 9-9-9 plan as outlined on his website did not contain sales tax exemptions for used items, did not exempt poor people from income tax, and did not penalize companies who did not operate in Opportunity Zones. So unless they were in the plan all along and he just plain forgot to include them on is website then he's been changing his plan on almost a daily basis.

If you could point out an actual case of the plan changing from the original proposal, as opposed to elements being fleshed out in public like the ‘opportunity zones,’ then I would appreciate it.

See above.

24 posted on 10/22/2011 3:05:49 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: justsaynomore
“Empowerment Zones” were always part of the plan. If you had ever bothered to actually go to the site and read the plan you would know that. The links to the actual plan were posted here many times.

Yeah. But this latest stunt about people below the poverty level living in the zones not paying income tax dates from yesterday. Maybe the day before.

25 posted on 10/22/2011 3:07:44 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

Okay, so this is all assumptions on your part because you already don’t like him. Gotcha.


26 posted on 10/22/2011 3:07:58 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: justsaynomore
Ah yes, "Empowerment Zones" which Cain changed to "Opportunity Zones" since "Empowerment Zones" sounds too liberal. He loves the fact that these zones of empowerment or opportunity reside predominately in places where blacks live. He expressed his love of these zones for the "African American" (His words).

Oh wait fellas! I'm gonna build an electric fence that kills Mexicans and cut the budget by 6 trillion! Whooohooo! Yes sir!

27 posted on 10/22/2011 3:09:11 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Go Gordon

A spending freeze would almost do what Cain is asking over 10 years.


28 posted on 10/22/2011 3:09:52 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MitchellC

You love the idea of him, not the reality of him.


29 posted on 10/22/2011 3:10:15 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy
You and Romney do well together with that lie you tell over and over. Amnesty is citizenship.

Nice try, but you don't get to re-define the word amnesty just to suit your purpose of pushing your amnesty-loving candidate Perry.
am·nes·ty
   [am-nuh-stee]
noun
1.
a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.
2.
Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.
3.
a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.
verb (used with object)
4.
to grant amnesty to; pardon.

30 posted on 10/22/2011 3:13:58 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: normy

If you can show me actual evidence of the plan changing, then please ping me.


31 posted on 10/22/2011 3:17:44 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Paperdoll

I have been praying for Mr. Cain since the day he first said he was prayerfully considering running for President (spring of 2010) :-)

I am listening to a speech he gave in Arizona - I love this statement:

“Politicians propose what they think can get passed. Problem solvers propose what they think will fix the problem.”


32 posted on 10/22/2011 3:18:45 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: MitchellC
I am not redefining anything. You are.

Do you think Cain is for deporting illegals? Building a 2000 mile fence? Cutting 6 trillion from the budget?

Come on man! That is nonsense and Cain knows exactly what he needs to say to draw your support.

Perry never ever has been for amnesty and the only one accusing him of it is Romney. Bottom line and if you pretend to be for Cain but continue in the Romney lie, your suspect.

33 posted on 10/22/2011 3:19:56 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: GeronL
A spending freeze would almost do what Cain is asking over 10 years.

I agree, but let's not freeze it at Obama levels - too much Solyndra and union slush fund money - let's go back to fiscal 2008 (which didn't include TARP)

34 posted on 10/22/2011 3:20:05 PM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: justsaynomore

Amen to that.


35 posted on 10/22/2011 3:22:26 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: normy

I’m taking both Cain and Perry at their word. Cain wants to enforce existing laws, Perry wants to ignore them and make the invaders “guests” after they’ve broken into the place, letting them hold citizens’ jobs and depress citizens’ wages.


36 posted on 10/22/2011 3:26:42 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: normy

Your “boy” Ricky supported rewarding children of illegal aliens with tuition breaks at Texas Universities.

That is stuck in my craw, and I can neither swallow it nor cough it up.

When folks do something illegal - you don’t reward them (period).


37 posted on 10/22/2011 3:27:36 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: EGPWS

Amen to that. The president doesn’t cut the budget. The president vetoes the budget. I want to know if he’s willing to shut down the government for an extended period to eliminate the deficit.


38 posted on 10/22/2011 3:28:57 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MitchellC
"And an electrified fence that kills and a moat. Are you sure he wasn't’ joking?"

I wish he wasn't joking. I hope we close the border completely. Only people who go through the legal process of immigration should be allowed in this country.

39 posted on 10/22/2011 3:29:26 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: justsaynomore

Obama increased spending by 1.2billion over the 500 billion we had under Bush.

Cutting by 6 trillion over 10 years amounts to 600 billion a year.

That’s 1.2trillion a year in deficit spending remaining.


40 posted on 10/22/2011 3:31:28 PM PDT by ROTB (Christian sin breeds enemies for the USA. If you're a Christian, stop sinning, and spread the Word..)
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To: Go Gordon

I’d agree with that!


41 posted on 10/22/2011 3:36:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: normy; MitchellC
Don't let the 3%ers lie to you Mitchell. La Raza Rick is on the record as saying he approves of a "path to citizenship" for the hordes who are here ILLEGALLY. A "path to citizenship" is amnesty.

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Question: But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.

Rick Perry: Sure.

Rick Perry On The Record

42 posted on 10/22/2011 3:45:41 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: normy
He now touts Perry's border security plan almost to a T.

You mean Cain is now for enticing Mexicans to illegally cross the border with their children to take advantage of free education and instate college tuition? Somehow I missed him saying that. I also missed him addressing a meeting of the racist and traitorous La Raza group. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

43 posted on 10/22/2011 3:48:29 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Repeal The 17th
You're uninformed. Illegals do not get in state tuition. Their children do if the have graduated from a Texas highschool with qualifying grades and have lived in Texas for 3 years and are going after their citizenship, they pay in state fares. Pretty simple.

By the way, my "boy" is the Commander in Chief of multiple thousands of Texas Army Guard, Air Guard and State Guard. My "boy"Perry has taken the initiative in securing your 1200 mile international border.

My "boy" was an Air Force Captain and a pilot of C-130's all over the world.

My "boy" Perry is the CEO of the 13th largest economy in the world>

My "boy" Perry is the CEO of a state that created 40% of all the jobs created in America during the Obama recession.

Your "boy" Cain ran Godfathers pizza and give outlandish speeches about doing things he can't do alone as President and waffles on doing things he can do as President.

Your "boy" thinks the 2nd Amendment is a states right issue. I wonder what other of the Bill of Rights is a States Rights issue. Perhaps the 1st Amendment is a states rights issue also.

Your "boy" Cain thinks blacks deserve breaks for simply being black and poor. He says "Empowerment Zones" are great because they are dominated by African Americans (which he claims he doesn't even like to be called but he calls other that)

Your "boy" Cain is a speaker and he tells you what you want to hear.

44 posted on 10/22/2011 3:51:32 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

“...You’re uninformed. Illegals do not get in state tuition. Their children do...”
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You have reading comprehension issues.
That is EXACTLY what I said.

You also have issues trying to defend your “boy” Ricky.


45 posted on 10/22/2011 3:54:41 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: normy
Illegals do not get in state tuition. Their children do

Children of illegal invaders, who are not born here, are also illegals.

46 posted on 10/22/2011 3:54:56 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: normy
Your "boy" thinks the 2nd Amendment is a states right issue

The same as your "boy".

47 posted on 10/22/2011 3:57:22 PM PDT by Prokopton
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That's not Perry's border security plan and you know it.

Strategic fencing, boots on the ground, predator drones.

I know he preaches at a church that invites the likes of Jesse Jackson to preach at their church. I know he believes the government is designed to level the playing field. I know his pastor and his buddy who he sang " Dream the impossible dream" to at his 50th birthday thinks this

“let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

“It’s not enough to talk about what black folks ought to do,” Alexander once said. “We have to also look at what government is not doing to ensure fairness and equal opportunity. God is on the side of the least of these. Jesus said ‘the first shall become the last and the last shall become the first.’”

I know Cain is also for using Government to do this exact thing. I know that is why he uses outlandish claims to rally you but has no details. It's not about governing, it's about drawing you out.

48 posted on 10/22/2011 3:57:58 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: South40
Wow! So he and Palin are on the same exact page. Guess what, ask Cain if he is for a path to citizenship and he will say no. Ask him if he favors deportation and he will say no.

tellin you what you want to hear. Another empty vessel for you to put your hopes and dreams into.

Man I love the idea of Cain.

49 posted on 10/22/2011 4:00:20 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Prokopton

Not true But If so I guess they are both completely unacceptable. I guess Newt is the only answer.


50 posted on 10/22/2011 4:02:01 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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