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Cain clarifies again: Abortion shouldn’t be legal, but some families might decide to break the law
HotAir ^ | Saturday October 21, 2011

Posted on 10/22/2011 5:50:47 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Full Title: Cain clarifies again: Abortion shouldn’t be legal, but some families might decide to break the law anyway.

A better answer than yesterday’s spin attempt but Mediaite is right that it still doesn’t jibe with what he said to Piers Morgan. Then:

No, it comes down to is, it’s not the government’s role — or anybody else’s role — to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision…

The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that they need to make.

Now:

Look, abortion should not be legal. That is clear. But if that family makes the decision to break the law, that’s that family’s decision. That’s all I’m trying to say.

Big difference between (a) the government shouldn’t tell you what to do about “sensitive” social decisions and (b) the government should tell you what to do by criminalizing one of your options. In fact, per Heinze at the The Hill and Philip Klein at the Examiner, even in today’s answer there’s an element of choice insofar as Cain suggests that a pregnant woman might end up breaking the law to get an illegal abortion. That’s, er, true — some of them would end up doing that — but it’s an odd note for a man in his position to sound. Rarely do would-be presidents acknowledge lawbreaking as an option

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1 posted on 10/22/2011 5:50:56 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike
wtf is the problem? it makes perfect sense, which is why most people can't understand it.

fortheluvofgawd, people who twist words ought to be strung up.

2 posted on 10/22/2011 5:52:33 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Bigtigermike
You have Presidents like Obama who recommend immorality ~ suggesting that some might break the law is hardly in the same category.

Imagine Joe Biden as President. He's using the threat of commiting rape to try to get Congress to vote his way.

Talk about some immorality and law breaking ~ I'd save the attack for the Democrats.

3 posted on 10/22/2011 5:55:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bigtigermike
Here is a transcription of what was Cain actually said.

"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for.

Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion. "If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?"

Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied: "No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."

I don't know how he could make it any clearer then this.

People around here who are emotionally tied to other candidates in the campaign need to keep in mind the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion.

Bearing false witness is still a sin

4 posted on 10/22/2011 5:55:37 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Bigtigermike
The perrywinkle attack against Cain is full steam ahead. Do you people not understand, that doofus perry is tied with or below Ron Paul in the first five primary states. His chances are those of a snow ball in hell.
5 posted on 10/22/2011 5:57:37 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Because it is the one thing they have latched on to to try and bring Cain down. They are stringing this out to ridiculous lengths to convince people that Cain, who is the most consistently pro-life candidate we have, or have had in a long, long time, is somehow pro-choice. And they ain’t gonna stop either.


6 posted on 10/22/2011 5:57:47 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Bigtigermike
"Look, abortion should not be legal. That is clear. But if that family makes the decision to break the law, that’s that family’s decision. That’s all I’m trying to say."

Does he want to try to state a position for a third time? ;-)

7 posted on 10/22/2011 5:58:52 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: MestaMachine
Because it is the one thing they have latched on to to try and bring Cain down. They are stringing this out to ridiculous lengths to convince people that Cain, who is the most consistently pro-life candidate we have, or have had in a long, long time, is somehow pro-choice. And they ain’t gonna stop either.

He's being Palinized. It just solidifies support for him.
9 posted on 10/22/2011 6:02:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Bigtigermike
"I believe that life begins at conception"

That's all you need to say, Mr. Cain. The president cannot change the law of the land without a Constitutional Amendment. So, don't get caught up in any more "gotcha" discussions.

10 posted on 10/22/2011 6:03:17 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Bigtigermike; MNJohnnie

I am not a Cain supporter. I have serious doubts. But I have pointed out again and again that what Cain said is that the only choice that the mother of an unborn child who was raped can make is whether to keep the baby or give it up for adoption.

See post #4 for the transcript. It has to be read carefully, but if you do read it carefully, then it is clear that he is answering the question of whether the mother is obliged to keep the baby. No, if she cannot face being reminded of the rape, then she has a right to give birth to it and have it adopted out.

Any real pro-lifer will say the same thing.


11 posted on 10/22/2011 6:03:52 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: MestaMachine

What surprises me is that they are allowed to misrepresent Cain over and over.


12 posted on 10/22/2011 6:04:44 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: eens; All
Lynchin’ blacks shouldn’t be legal, but some klan boys might just be out for a good time. But that’s their decision. Just sayin’

I believe this is one of the stupidest FR posts I've read in over 13 years.

If you're going to take the medias bait so eagerly, FR isn't for you.

Unfortunately you have tons of company.

13 posted on 10/22/2011 6:05:18 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Bigtigermike

What does Rick Santorum want Cain to say? That abortion should be a crime, with doctors charged with murder and women as accessories to murder? Santorum has no credibility whatsoever on social issues after backing radical pro-abortion Arlen Specter over pro-life Pat Toomey years ago.


14 posted on 10/22/2011 6:05:43 PM PDT by montag813
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To: cripplecreek

You know darn well that Cain is responsible for everybody’s behavior, not just his own. /S


15 posted on 10/22/2011 6:06:33 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Bigtigermike

He should have just left it at, “There is no federal role in the abortion law. It is a state issue.”

And then shut up about it.


16 posted on 10/22/2011 6:07:36 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Bigtigermike

And when they break the law, they will be charged with capital murder.


17 posted on 10/22/2011 6:08:22 PM PDT by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: Bigtigermike

Yeah, but he has no problem voting for someone who has a strong pro-abortion stance. Self righteous hypocrite.


18 posted on 10/22/2011 6:08:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: the invisib1e hand
What Herman Cain is saying, and what some people obviously can't comprehend, is that he believes abortion should be ILLEGAL. And if it WAS illegal, there may be some individuals who will choose to break the law, rather than abide by it. And that applies to all SORTS of laws, for example if tobacco were outlawed, you can bet that some people would still grow their own, sneak out in back of the barn, and light up. Ditto for alcohol. Prohibition was the law of the land for a brief time, and MANY people obeyed that law, but there were others who chose NOT to.

NOBODY can force an individual to obey the law, ANY law, unless the individual in question is morally convinced that obeying the law is preferable than breaking that law.

Every single day, millions of Americans break the speed limit. The law is broken. But that is their choice as individuals, to either be law abiding, or to be lawbreakers.

Now obviously the question of abortion is much more serious and much more profound, because it affects the existence or the non-existence of a created human being. That is why I believe that Cain's absolute belief in the sanctity of human life is not only easily understood, but is without doubt, morally defensible. The only POSSIBLE reason for an abortion would be if the life of the mother would be placed at risk by continuing a pregnancy. If a child were conceived by an act of rape or incest, that life is still innocent, although the mother is certainly not obligated (in my view) to raise that child unless she chooses to do so, in such cases adoption may well be a preferred option.

One thing Herman Cain is absolutely correct about, and that is the dark and murderous legacy of Planned Parenthood and it's evil racist founder Margaret Sanger, one of the original purposes of Planned Parenthood was plain and simple eugenics and 'culling the herd' by killing unborn black babies. Margaret Sanger viewed blacks as an inferior race, and it was her objective to ultimately remove them from her version of 'civilization'. Herman Cain is one of the few (in fact the ONLY) candidate to speak out on this deplorable fact which has decimated the American black family ever since it was founded in 1921.
19 posted on 10/22/2011 6:08:31 PM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: montag813
You make an excellent point and one I'd like to hear Santorum try to defend (the indefensible).
20 posted on 10/22/2011 6:12:38 PM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: montag813
Santorum has no credibility whatsoever on social issues after backing radical pro-abortion Arlen Specter over pro-life Pat Toomey years ago.

Playing favorites? Cain voted for Obama - the worst of the worst - and has no credibility whatsoever!
21 posted on 10/22/2011 6:14:30 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: MNJohnnie
It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."

Many don't like that Cain defers to the family to make the ultimate decision. I understand the angst of pro-lifers though - Cain should probably verbalize his hope or a plan to end Roe vs Wade.

23 posted on 10/22/2011 6:17:47 PM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: presently no screen name

On what planet did you hear that ridiculous lie?


24 posted on 10/22/2011 6:18:09 PM PDT by RockinRight (My train of thought has derailed.)
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To: mkjessup
Herman Cain is one of the few (in fact the ONLY) candidate to speak out on this deplorable fact which has decimated the American black family ever since it was founded in 1921.

So now you know he speaks with fork tongue. He and his church voted for pro abortion Obama.
25 posted on 10/22/2011 6:18:12 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: justsaynomore

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life (2006)
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/

Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?LVMF—8Oz3-WCSgU7

Cain Picks Clarence Thomas as Model for Supreme Court Pick
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/232604/20111017/herman-cain-clarence-thomas-supreme-court.htm

2004 - Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade (Free Republic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1063707/posts

And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife

Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/

Herman Cain: Planned Parenthood Should Be Called ‘Planned Genocide’
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/herman-cain-planned-parenthood-should-be-called-planned-genocide.php

Herman Cain was endorsed by the Georgia Right-To-Life PAC in the 2004 US Senate GOP primary. Cain’s primary challenger from 2004, Johnny Isakson, had a pro-choice streak in his voting record and it was the reason why GRTL endorsed him.

Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasn’t an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you don’t infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you don’t infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that starts with the life of the unborn.
Source: , May 1, 2011

Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies
I absolutely would defund Planned Parenthood—not because I don’t believe in planning parenthood, [but because] Planned Parenthood as an organization is an absolute farce on the American people.

People who know the history of Margaret Sanger, who started Planned Parenthood, they know that the intention was not to help young women who get pregnant to plan their parenthood. No—it was a sham to be able to kill black babies.
Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011

Life begins at conception, period
I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone I would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side.

I’m a Christian, I’ve been a Christian all my life. I’ve been a believer in the Bible since I was 10 years old. I’m very active in my church, and there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.

Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get elected—not rewrite those documents.

ontheissues.org


26 posted on 10/22/2011 6:18:36 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: RockinRight

Same planet you are on. So why didn’t you hear it? Don’t you vet your candidate?


27 posted on 10/22/2011 6:20:00 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: All

Is pro-choice/pro-life the number one issue in the 2012 presidential election? Nope. It’s the economy, stupid.

Allahpundit wanted Cain’s to fall so bad, but Cain continues to do well in all the polls. Must drive Allahpundit nuts.


28 posted on 10/22/2011 6:20:17 PM PDT by imchris
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To: Netizen

What surprises ME is how many times the perry crew has posted this rotgut on this forum.


29 posted on 10/22/2011 6:21:38 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: presently no screen name

I’ve never heard that Cain voted for Obama, please post proof or retract.


30 posted on 10/22/2011 6:24:22 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: MestaMachine

On facebook, people are saying Rick Perry just slammed Cain on this issue in the Faith/Freedom forum


31 posted on 10/22/2011 6:24:37 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m thinking that ‘Palinized’ will become part of the lexicon meaning the politics of personal destruction. This is malicious and obscene.


32 posted on 10/22/2011 6:25:08 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: presently no screen name
"Cain voted for Obama - the worst of the worst - and has no credibility whatsoever!"

WHAT?? What is your source for this? I've never heard it.

IF true, it completely disqualifies him in my view. This wouldn't be Perry supporting Algore decades ago or Newt supporting Nelson Rockefeller in 1968 - this would be a man in his 60's supporting someone who was quite apparently - to anyone who cared to learn - a radical leftist!

Source?

Hank

34 posted on 10/22/2011 6:27:45 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: justsaynomore

One thing I’d like to hear Cain say is that he’ll appoint a home school proponent as secretary of education.

He wouldn’t take the job but naming Glenn Beck would make a million heads explode all at once. LOL


35 posted on 10/22/2011 6:27:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ConservativeTeen

You want proof - search yourself. I don’t retract or apologize for truth. So you are supporting a man you know nothing about? How liberal of you.


36 posted on 10/22/2011 6:28:33 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: presently no screen name

The only “source” I see, besides you, is by a poster from the site “ronpaulforums.com.” If you have a better source, please post, you made the assertion that Cain voted for Obama, now prove it.


37 posted on 10/22/2011 6:31:05 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: MNJohnnie

Unfortunately he is far from clear. His clarifications are only more confusing. Either it is a personal choice of that family and mother, as he says, which is the pro-abort line or it should be illegal which is the prolife stance.


38 posted on 10/22/2011 6:31:15 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Baynative

I have a sincere question.

I have read a couple of times today that a Constitutional Amendment would be required to overturn RvW.

Why would that be?

Could another Supreme Court decision, overturning RvW, not have the same affect?

And if a constitutional amendment is required to overthrow “the law of the land”...we maybe sc***ed with Obamacare.


39 posted on 10/22/2011 6:31:30 PM PDT by berdie
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To: eens
But I said it should be illegal. I'm absolutely opposed to lynching blacks. But the government can't make that decision for the klan lodge. (Sarcasm off) Bottom line is, you and Cain don't believe abortion is first degree murder. It is, and it should be dealt with accordingly.

Geezus, a twofer. You go for the trifecta now.

40 posted on 10/22/2011 6:32:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: presently no screen name
Don’t you vet your candidate?

Who's your candidate?

41 posted on 10/22/2011 6:34:13 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: ConservativeTeen

You prove he didn’t - if he’s your candidate. And I know nothing of that site you mention.


42 posted on 10/22/2011 6:35:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: presently no screen name

“Cain voted for Obama”

Please cite your source on this.


43 posted on 10/22/2011 6:36:31 PM PDT by 07Jack
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To: 07Jack

Good luck with that, he won’t.


44 posted on 10/22/2011 6:37:33 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: presently no screen name

you have no credibility, you are a liar


45 posted on 10/22/2011 6:38:49 PM PDT by jenk (The country needs Sarah Palin and the Constitution.)
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To: mkjessup
What a wad of crap.
Is abortion murder? That is the only question that should be asked.
Cain just answered "No".
46 posted on 10/22/2011 6:38:55 PM PDT by Tornillo ("arm yourselves" - Sheriff West,Hudspeth County Texas)
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To: Bigtigermike
Funny, somehow the entire question Cain was responding to was left out of this article and this post. Posting an answer without the question it is referring to so the author can put whatever spin on it they want is not honest.

The entire transcript is all over FR, why would someone post a partial, carefully edited, quote? Not to shed any light on the truth.

47 posted on 10/22/2011 6:39:44 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: eens

are you equating hanging blacks with abortion? and if you are, please tell me, genius, what that has to do with Cain’s clarification?


48 posted on 10/22/2011 6:41:17 PM PDT by jenk (The country needs Sarah Palin and the Constitution.)
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To: MestaMachine

“Cain, who is the most consistently pro-life candidate ...”

I don’t see how you read the last paragraph quoted in the article as pro-life. If you read the whole thing, it sounds very much like John Kerry’s “I personally oppose it but support choice” position. Maybe there’s text before or after that clarifies things.

And no, I haven’t picked a candidate yet.


49 posted on 10/22/2011 6:41:17 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Bigtigermike
Look, abortion should not be legal. That is clear. But if that family makes the decision to break the law, that’s that family’s decision. That’s all I’m trying to say.

Abortion IS legal. He is saying that if it was NOT legal then he couldn't stop someone from breaking the law. OK. That applies to all laws. Duh. Why is Cain saying all this nonsense? The more he talks about abortion the worse he gets. He should just shut up about abortion, get off the defense and start attacking liberals.

50 posted on 10/22/2011 6:41:38 PM PDT by plain talk
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