Skip to comments.Cain clarifies again: Abortion shouldn’t be legal, but some families might decide to break the law
Posted on 10/22/2011 5:50:47 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
Full Title: Cain clarifies again: Abortion shouldnt be legal, but some families might decide to break the law anyway.
A better answer than yesterdays spin attempt but Mediaite is right that it still doesnt jibe with what he said to Piers Morgan. Then:
No, it comes down to is, its not the governments role or anybody elses role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, youre not talking about that big a number. So what Im saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldnt try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision
The government shouldnt be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that they need to make.
Look, abortion should not be legal. That is clear. But if that family makes the decision to break the law, thats that familys decision. Thats all Im trying to say.
Big difference between (a) the government shouldnt tell you what to do about sensitive social decisions and (b) the government should tell you what to do by criminalizing one of your options. In fact, per Heinze at the The Hill and Philip Klein at the Examiner, even in todays answer theres an element of choice insofar as Cain suggests that a pregnant woman might end up breaking the law to get an illegal abortion. Thats, er, true some of them would end up doing that but its an odd note for a man in his position to sound. Rarely do would-be presidents acknowledge lawbreaking as an option
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fortheluvofgawd, people who twist words ought to be strung up.
Imagine Joe Biden as President. He's using the threat of commiting rape to try to get Congress to vote his way.
Talk about some immorality and law breaking ~ I'd save the attack for the Democrats.
"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for.
Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion. "If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?"
Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied: "No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
I don't know how he could make it any clearer then this.
People around here who are emotionally tied to other candidates in the campaign need to keep in mind the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion.
Bearing false witness is still a sin
Because it is the one thing they have latched on to to try and bring Cain down. They are stringing this out to ridiculous lengths to convince people that Cain, who is the most consistently pro-life candidate we have, or have had in a long, long time, is somehow pro-choice. And they ain’t gonna stop either.
Does he want to try to state a position for a third time? ;-)
That's all you need to say, Mr. Cain. The president cannot change the law of the land without a Constitutional Amendment. So, don't get caught up in any more "gotcha" discussions.
I am not a Cain supporter. I have serious doubts. But I have pointed out again and again that what Cain said is that the only choice that the mother of an unborn child who was raped can make is whether to keep the baby or give it up for adoption.
See post #4 for the transcript. It has to be read carefully, but if you do read it carefully, then it is clear that he is answering the question of whether the mother is obliged to keep the baby. No, if she cannot face being reminded of the rape, then she has a right to give birth to it and have it adopted out.
Any real pro-lifer will say the same thing.
What surprises me is that they are allowed to misrepresent Cain over and over.
I believe this is one of the stupidest FR posts I've read in over 13 years.
If you're going to take the medias bait so eagerly, FR isn't for you.
Unfortunately you have tons of company.
What does Rick Santorum want Cain to say? That abortion should be a crime, with doctors charged with murder and women as accessories to murder? Santorum has no credibility whatsoever on social issues after backing radical pro-abortion Arlen Specter over pro-life Pat Toomey years ago.
You know darn well that Cain is responsible for everybody’s behavior, not just his own. /S
He should have just left it at, “There is no federal role in the abortion law. It is a state issue.”
And then shut up about it.
And when they break the law, they will be charged with capital murder.
Yeah, but he has no problem voting for someone who has a strong pro-abortion stance. Self righteous hypocrite.
Many don't like that Cain defers to the family to make the ultimate decision. I understand the angst of pro-lifers though - Cain should probably verbalize his hope or a plan to end Roe vs Wade.
On what planet did you hear that ridiculous lie?
African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life (2006)
Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
Cain Picks Clarence Thomas as Model for Supreme Court Pick
2004 - Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade (Free Republic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1063707/posts
And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife
Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
Herman Cain: Planned Parenthood Should Be Called Planned Genocide
Herman Cain was endorsed by the Georgia Right-To-Life PAC in the 2004 US Senate GOP primary. Cains primary challenger from 2004, Johnny Isakson, had a pro-choice streak in his voting record and it was the reason why GRTL endorsed him.
Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasnt an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you dont infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you dont infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that starts with the life of the unborn.
Source: , May 1, 2011
Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies
I absolutely would defund Planned Parenthoodnot because I dont believe in planning parenthood, [but because] Planned Parenthood as an organization is an absolute farce on the American people.
People who know the history of Margaret Sanger, who started Planned Parenthood, they know that the intention was not to help young women who get pregnant to plan their parenthood. Noit was a sham to be able to kill black babies.
Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011
Life begins at conception, period
I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone I would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side.
Im a Christian, Ive been a Christian all my life. Ive been a believer in the Bible since I was 10 years old. Im very active in my church, and there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.
Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get electednot rewrite those documents.
Same planet you are on. So why didn’t you hear it? Don’t you vet your candidate?
Is pro-choice/pro-life the number one issue in the 2012 presidential election? Nope. It’s the economy, stupid.
Allahpundit wanted Cain’s to fall so bad, but Cain continues to do well in all the polls. Must drive Allahpundit nuts.
What surprises ME is how many times the perry crew has posted this rotgut on this forum.
I’ve never heard that Cain voted for Obama, please post proof or retract.
On facebook, people are saying Rick Perry just slammed Cain on this issue in the Faith/Freedom forum
I’m thinking that ‘Palinized’ will become part of the lexicon meaning the politics of personal destruction. This is malicious and obscene.
WHAT?? What is your source for this? I've never heard it.
IF true, it completely disqualifies him in my view. This wouldn't be Perry supporting Algore decades ago or Newt supporting Nelson Rockefeller in 1968 - this would be a man in his 60's supporting someone who was quite apparently - to anyone who cared to learn - a radical leftist!
One thing I’d like to hear Cain say is that he’ll appoint a home school proponent as secretary of education.
He wouldn’t take the job but naming Glenn Beck would make a million heads explode all at once. LOL
You want proof - search yourself. I don’t retract or apologize for truth. So you are supporting a man you know nothing about? How liberal of you.
The only “source” I see, besides you, is by a poster from the site “ronpaulforums.com.” If you have a better source, please post, you made the assertion that Cain voted for Obama, now prove it.
Unfortunately he is far from clear. His clarifications are only more confusing. Either it is a personal choice of that family and mother, as he says, which is the pro-abort line or it should be illegal which is the prolife stance.
I have a sincere question.
I have read a couple of times today that a Constitutional Amendment would be required to overturn RvW.
Why would that be?
Could another Supreme Court decision, overturning RvW, not have the same affect?
And if a constitutional amendment is required to overthrow “the law of the land”...we maybe sc***ed with Obamacare.
Geezus, a twofer. You go for the trifecta now.
Who's your candidate?
You prove he didn’t - if he’s your candidate. And I know nothing of that site you mention.
“Cain voted for Obama”
Please cite your source on this.
Good luck with that, he won’t.
you have no credibility, you are a liar
The entire transcript is all over FR, why would someone post a partial, carefully edited, quote? Not to shed any light on the truth.
are you equating hanging blacks with abortion? and if you are, please tell me, genius, what that has to do with Cain’s clarification?
“Cain, who is the most consistently pro-life candidate ...”
I don’t see how you read the last paragraph quoted in the article as pro-life. If you read the whole thing, it sounds very much like John Kerry’s “I personally oppose it but support choice” position. Maybe there’s text before or after that clarifies things.
And no, I haven’t picked a candidate yet.
Abortion IS legal. He is saying that if it was NOT legal then he couldn't stop someone from breaking the law. OK. That applies to all laws. Duh. Why is Cain saying all this nonsense? The more he talks about abortion the worse he gets. He should just shut up about abortion, get off the defense and start attacking liberals.
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