Posted on 10/22/2011 9:34:34 PM PDT by martosko
Say what you want about former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain’s presidential bid and his missteps along the way, but it’s hard to argue with results: Cain has an edge in the average of the major polls, and even picked up a straw poll victory in Nevada on Friday.
But that doesn’t impress syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer.
“[I] saw him on ‘Stossel’ on abortion — entirely incoherent,” Krauthammer said. “On one hand, ‘people ought to have choice.’ On the other hand, ‘life is sacred from the beginning and abortion ought to be illegal.’ This isn’t a complicated issue. It’s one or the other. It can’t be both.
“Stossel was simply stunned. And if you combine it with the ‘9-9-9’ stuff, it is not that he just hasn’t thought it out. He is winging it. And that is a real problem.”
Ain’t listening to the likes of you any longer, Chuck.
Krauthammer has never ever liked Herman Cain. He wants Romney. Foxnews needs Romney and Perry to stay in the hunt so they can spend millions on media buys, on guess what, all the fox affilates and foxnews. Cain and the others do not have the bucks to do the big buys that the rinos perry and romney have.
entirely incoherent,” Krauthammer
Perry was a big supporter of hillarycare that paid for abortions and Romney is one of the biggest proabort warthogs that was ever in politics. Da ya think Charles can comprehend these facts?
Personal belief and reality often clash. For Krauthammer to ignore that is astounding.
Exactly, he's been badmouthing him for months.
In 1978, Krauthammer quit the practice of psychiatry and came to Washington to direct planning in psychiatric research under the Carter administration. He began contributing articles about politics to The New Republic and in 1980 served as a speech writer to Vice President Walter Mondale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer
Kraut hates every solid conservative out there. BUT if you mention Romney to Kraut, he’ll get down on both knees and open his mouth wide..
Ahhhh—good point. Its a follow the money point of view from Mr K. Who knows for sure but a very plausible point you make.
This should surprise nobody. Krauthamer is a party insider and he is for Romney. Even if Perry could speak properly, Charles would still be for Romney. Even if Newt Gingrich wasn’t so loopy sometimes, Charles would still be for Romney. He has never liked Michelle Bauchmann nor Ron Paul. So, does it surprise anyone that he would not like Cain either? Krauthammer == rino insider.
problem is...
Saying Krauthammer has soured on Cain is based on false premise. He was never “sweet” on Cain to begin with and has mocked and/or derided Cain at every step.
All the more reason to say “stfu Chuck”!
I am soooo sick of these talking head RINOS!
I had respect for this dude and his history during the Bush years, big mistake.
There truly is such a thing as PIF!
Potomac Insular Fever.
These are sick and demented people.
Folks, why can’t Herman Cain believe abortion is wrong, AND ALSO believe it’s not the President’s job to impose his will on the states?
Why can’t he have a strong opinion (such as being against gay marriage), YET ALSO believe the States should make their own decision on whether to allow gay marriage, state-by-state?
Are we so used to Omoslem waking up each day, deciding on what he wants, and FORCING the states to adopt his position by any means possible (EPA and so forth)?
Perhaps Cain can believe something without forcing his position upon the states. Maybe half the states will agree with Cain on abortion, and half will disagree.
What’s “incoherent” about that?
Krauthammer is overrated.
That's not the truth.
Elitist snots. Every one of them.
It’s hard to deny Cain is winging it and doesn’t have a solid enough grasp on the issues. Remember the right of return incident? Sure, he refreshingly admitted he didn’t know what the term meant...but he should have known something so basic. Still, he’s vastly better than Romney, I will admit.
Too many are not aware of what roe v wade did to the states. Abortion was illegal at all levels in at least 33 states with more states passing the ban on abortion every year. Roe v Wade crushed states rights on abortion and now it is legal in all states. If roe v wade had failed in the SC, abortion would have been made illegal in all states eventually.
Folks review the folly of roe v wade and how destructive it was to state rights. The 10th amendment is a treasure.
States right are critical and are about the only thing stopping and or slowing down Obama.
Krauthammer has never ever liked Herman Cain. He wants Romney. Foxnews needs Romney and Perry to stay in the hunt so they can spend millions on media buys, on guess what, all the fox affilates and foxnews. Cain and the others do not have the bucks to do the big buys that the rinos perry and romney have.
Good point.
prove me wrong, he had his hand out begging for more.
Exactly. I’m shaking my head at the obstinacy of folks who keep attempting to pin Cain’s stance on this into a false dichotomy between “pro-life” and “pro-abortion.” And completely ignoring the crux of his position, which is centered on the constitutionality of what a president can or cannot do. Apparently people have forgotten about constitutional limitations like this.
For instance, the Stossel interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSGLBAinETc
Cain’s “problem” in responding to these questions is that he’s interpreting the questions very literally at face value and giving direct responses—without regard for the political connotations. We like that, of course, but you can see how easily the media spins this.
Kraunhammer is an establishment hack and nothing else. You know, sort of like the entire Fox News team. The one that nauseates me is Dick Morris. To say that he’s in the bag for Romney is an understatement.
There has been a letter that perry wrote showing support for hillarycare and perry wanted in on the action. I have seen it multiple times on FR. Go find it and then get back to me.
This just in Kenobi sours on Krauthammer!
News at 11.
HeCan have those valid opinions. HeDoes reserve those powers to the States.
HeMan Cain has a plan.
the thing nobody talks about is that Hillary's love of socialized medicine was well known. WTH did Perry think that anything good could come of Hillary's adventure? Very poor judgment.
Hubbard’s efforts to cast the field of psychiatry as the source of all of humanity’s problems are exemplified in a policy letter written in 1971, in which he attempted to redefine the word “psychiatrist” to mean “an antisocial enemy of the people”:
Psychiatry and psychiatrist are easily redefined to mean ‘an antisocial enemy of the people.’ This takes the kill-crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions. This is a good use of the technique [of redefining words] as for a century the psychiatrist has been setting an all-time record for inhumanity to Man.[9]
This is so typical of the beltway personna, such arrogance on display. He didn’t much care for we TEA partiers or Sarah Palin.
Anyone care to stop bashing Krauthammer for a second and address his point?
I was in Palin’s corner, started to move toward Perry, and am now cautiously for Cain, but am still undecided. I like Cain, but saying he’s ‘winging it’ certainly isn’t a wildly outrageous observation.
Abortion is not a "states rights" issue. It was declared the law of the land by the U.S. Supreme Court. No doubt that Cain is pro-life. What's not clear is if he's against abortions for any reason, or if it should be allowed in the case of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. His Stossel interview looked like he was trying to have it both ways.
Krauthammer has been complaining about Cain ever since he starting gaining in the polls and is always gloating over the rino romney. This makes anything he says suspect about Cain.
But everyone is for someone and against someone else. Do we only pay attention to writers who like Cain? How would they be any more objective?
It’s the song, not the singer. It’s what he’s saying, not who’s saying it, that’s important.
I don’t care who wrote the article. His assertion is certainly one that can be discussed.
I stopped watching FOX and rarely even check the news there. It is actually very refreshing. Can you name one person on that channel or one show that you really want to listen to?
And they keep trying to “fix” it for Romney.
We’ve got your back Herman!!!!!
HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SPENT ONE MILLION DOLLARS TO TRY AND STOP ABORTIONS??????
JUST AS I GUESSED, NONE OF YOU!!!!!
HERMAN CAIN DID. SO GUESS WHAT, HERMAN CAIN IS PROLIFE AND 100% PROLIFE...
Don’t waste anymore time on this, it makes the LSM very happy.
And just who the hell gives a damn what “Charles” thinks? Every single one of the so called conservative media celebrities should get behind this man and shout from the roof tops how great he is! If these idiots can’t put country ahead of their own egos, we are sunk as a party and as a nation. God has taken pity on us, and he has given us Herman Cain. Why can’t we promote the heck out of this fine man, instead of arguing about every little thing he says? When I say “we” I mean the conservative spokes people and not 99 percent of people on this forum. Again, who the hell cares what that pompous assh##le Charles thinks anyway! Man, how much more of a weapon against the communists do we need? Herman Cain is a fine man, and IS the second coming of Reagan.. thanks to God
“Sure — like nobody who spent months “winging it” ever got elected president ...”
Yes, they all do it, and Krauthammer is an establishment Republican, who often has it wrong.
BUT after reading the following email tonight, I am taking Cain off my short list, unless he makes himself clearer, and can show he is not afraid to fight as hard for life, as Obama is for death of innocents.
From my email from Susan B. Anthony List:
“While personal views on Life matter, what’s more important
> is how their pro-life views will translate into tangible public
> policy measures that save lives.
>
> While seven candidates have signed the pledge, several have not,
> including businessman Herman Cain.
>
> Specifically, Herman Cain took issue with the fourth point of the
> pledge which commits candidates to advance and sign into law a
> Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children
> who are capable of feeling pain from abortion. Cain said that he’d be
> willing to sign a fetal pain bill into law but wouldn’t use the
> weight of the presidency to advance it.
>
> And now, in recent interviews, Herman Cain says that he’s pro-life
> from the moment of conception, but also says government shouldn’t
> make decisions on any exceptions. He’s also said:
>
> “I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on
> the nation. The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people
> everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that
> they need to make.”
>
> Cain has responded to criticism of these comments by saying he’s “100
> % Pro-life. End of story,” but hasn’t been clear “
Cain has no governing record to be judged with, he has not enacted any policy to be judged with, he has not voted on any issue to be judged with, all what he has is talk and rhetoric to be judged with and he is messing it up daily with his talk and rhetoric. And when he gets the heat for some stupid stuff he said, he says that he was joking, or he was misunderstood, or he misunderstood the question, and then he drops the subject as if nothing happened and moves on expecting everyone to just forget about it. His games and tricks are getting really tired and old and for someone who is running on nothing but talk he is not going to make it far because people are waking up to the fact that he is just a talker and bad at it.
Krauthammer’s criticism has been pretty much on the money this cycle. I think that’s what infuriates people most.
Palin in particular should have taken his advice to study up and gain credibility before beginning the Big Tease.
Interesting because neither Romney nor Cain are attacking each other and they are the two front runners but instead they are ganging up on Perry who according to them and many others is finished and his campaign is dead.
And does Romney have EVERY GOP elite in his pocket, or vice versa? This is getting beyond disgusting.
I just watched it. His statements were very clear. Especially his last two sentences - NO exceptions! He said she should not have an abortion, there are other options; same thing he sad in the Peirs Morgan interview. Adoption or raising the child. But he is 100% pro-life!
I just watched it. His statements were very clear. Especially his last two sentences - NO exceptions! He said she should not have an abortion, there are other options; same thing he sad in the Peirs Morgan interview. Adoption or raising the child. But he is 100% pro-life!
I just watched it. His statements were very clear. Especially his last two sentences - NO exceptions! He said she should not have an abortion, there are other options; same thing he sad in the Peirs Morgan interview. Adoption or raising the child. But he is 100% pro-life!
No matter the form of taxation, it is the spending that is the problem. "Revenue nuetral" It's kinda like rearranging the chairs on the Titanic
While this is the best quality of Mr Cain it is also what will do him in. While the media tries to make him look stupid or inexperienced, the truth is he is just giving an honest answer as he sees it. When he tries to play politic and spin it, he looks worse. It's more the elite GOP than the media. That's where Krautslammer, Coulter, medvid and laura ingram are tag teaming him.
I don't plan on voting for Cain, but we will never have a decent, honest everyday citizen in office, as it was intended by the founders, if this crap isn't stopped.
Sorry on the triple post. Stupid iPad app!!
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