Republican presidential candidate Texas Governor Rick Perry listens to a question
from the audience at a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire September 30, 2011.
Posted on 10/23/2011 3:15:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Winning in politics isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
But how important a factor electability should be in a voter’s calculation remains very much in the eye of the beholder, leading to an active debate within the parties about who has the best chance to win next November — and how much it should matter.
That fight is played out every four years as the two parties pick their presidential nominees. The party establishment — and many members of the media — tend to focus heavily on electability while the party’s activist base prizes ideological alignment.
“Electability usually doesn’t matter to Republicans,” said Alex Castellanos, a senior Republican strategist. “All of us consultants can cite limitless examples of campaigns wrecked on the shoals of that false light.”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
We had a family conference. My son was there with his wife, they've been married 18 months. There's a young man, a Navy SEAL that Anita and I took care of for about two-and-a-half years. He basically adopted us. His name is Marcus Luttrell [co-author of the book Lone Survivor]. He was in the family meeting too. It was Anita, myself, Griffin, his wife Meredith, Sydney, Marcus, and his wife. Seven of us sat down, and we had a conversation. Everybody gets a black bean. If there's even one black bean, then the deal's off.
Were there any black beans?....
Just how electable is a candidate like Perry who, despite being Governor of the state for 10 years, cannot even persuade a majority of his own Texas state party to vote for him?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2795185/posts
Azimuth Poll - Texas Primary (Cain 33%, Perry 18%, Romney 7%)
Azimuth Polling ^ | 10/19/11 | admin
I guess we’ll all be watching how well Gov. Perry does in the coming months.
Many polls yet to come.
The Wash Post citing GOP consultants - the kind that picked out John McCain and Bob Dole - as experts?
Obama cannot be reelected barring walking across the Delware River like a true messiah. So let’s elect a real conservative because as Michelle says we can have it all. She is not the “All” though.
Mmmmm, beans. I’m getting ready to tuck into some ham & beans.
CW, I want to support him, I really do.
But he’s going to have show us first that he cares more about Americans than illegal aliens. So far he sounds a lot like George W. “See Ya At The Signin’!” Bush.
And he needs to loosen up. A lot.
Something tells me he can communicate, but time’s a wasting. He needs a: “I paid for this microphone” moment, (whatever that might be).
I am of the belief that anyone on that stage except for Romney or Paul could beat Obama, heck my dog could probably beat Obama.
"The domain azimuthpolls.com is registered to Dave Nalle of Austin, TX. But who is Dave Nalle? Dave Nalle is a Ron Paul supporter and is Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus, a group that promotes Libertarianism within the Republican Party. In fact, if you go there, you’ll see an article written by Dave Nalle entitled “Don’t Believe the Hype. Meet the Real Rick Perry.” The RLC also endorses just one current elected official that is running for president. Any guess as to who that is? Yup. Ron Paul. You can also find a great many posts by Nalle which stakes out a lot of which you can hear from Rep. Paul." Source
Anybody but Obama. Or Romney.
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Perry squandered an early commanding position in the race, and is now faced with the almost impossible task of recovering from his disastrous fumbles.
He blew up his bridge to his core base with his “heartless” remarks, and doddering, near drunken debate performances. From what I’ve seen of presidential primaries (going back to 1960), a candidate cannot re-inspire the sort of standing Perry had, after going off the reservation, and disappointing as badly as he has.
At this point, his only way forward, is over the broken candidacies of others. In other words, he’s become a candidate of last resort. As long as someone who still inspires the base is still in the race, he doesn’t stand a chance.
I sure wouldn’t want you for my mentor.
Gosh Windflier. Do you ever paint with any other colors?
Lets see Cain has:
Advised the ultra conservative Dole/Kemp campaign's losing effort.
He's been a lobbyist in the 90's in D.C.
He's ran for the Senate and lost.
He's ran for President and lost (endorsed Romney)
He's running for President a second time.
None of these points are reasons not to support Cain. They are simply posted to show Cain is not an outsider. Perry is the real outsider. Bottom line.
Electability..(adjective) defeating an opponent beyond the margin of the opponent’s ability to steal an election.
Excerpt from TheRobb’s Political Dictionary, 2011 Edition
Great find!!
I have no idea what you're driving at, but I suppose you didn't care for what I had to say about Rick Perry and his odds of winning the Republican nomination.
Perhaps you chose to reply to my post because I didn't come out with guns a'blazing, and took a civil tone with you. It's safer to reply to posters like me. I understand.
For what it's worth, I don't hate the man. I just don't support him for president, and feel that he's not the conservative icon his supporters try to make of him. I'm also willing to state the obvious, which is, he's got a long row to hoe, if he's going to get back in the race in any significant way.
there are legitimate Cain supporters here so it's important to treat them with respect. We know the handful of Paul/Romney guys who pretend to support Cain. I suggest we ignore them and keep doggedly putting our candidate's qualities forward. I think the handful we all knows only job is to bait.
Keep up the good work.
LOL, I think I said that about a month ago.
Ain't she cute?
um.. I like the dog... but the pen... not so much ...
The poster who posted that Ron Paul Push poll knows that fact but is still spreading his usual anti Perry astroturf.
Perry could probably move back to the head of the pack, if he were to talk about tax reform, with an eye to making the US competitive again.
The Republicans have a, once in a generation, chance to go through the entire tax system and eliminate unproductive taxes that keep the US from maximizing its competitive.
Perry could probably move back to the head of the pack, if he were to talk about tax reform, with an eye to making the US competitive again.
The Republicans have a, once in a generation, chance to go through the entire tax system and eliminate unproductive taxes that keep the US from maximizing its competitive.
Concerted effort? To what end? Perry is polling at 2% in IOWA...there's no effort at all to tell people "IT'S OVER!"
Really, the guy did it to himself, he didn't need any help to run himself out of the race.
The rest of us just moved on to the next viable romney alternative - CAIN...
He needs to give simple straightforward statements that sum up his view then shut the hell up.
Let Romney ramble and go for the strong silent type, Rick.
She’s just gorgeous!!
I have a shepherd mix (Malinois/Akita/husky???). I will say this..I spent a ton of money on a 4’6”+ foot fence (split rail with heavy gauge turkey wire). He hops right over when motivated strongly enough. He either hops to the top rail, or he gets a foothold on the wire and over he goes. They are escape artists.
What concerns me is that the dems will find some pretext to run a primary challenger (Hillary??? - God help us) and then it could be some tough sledding for whoever we have on the slate. Is mine a genuine concern or is it too late for a dem primary challenger?
Gosh Windflier. Do you ever paint with any other colors?
Now that’s funny. Bitter is still the new black for the former Palinistas.
Dax is a Dutch Shepherd, and yes, she can jump. At six months, she hopped through the window of my 4WD truck from the downhill side and tried to steal it by trying to turn the key with her teeth. She pulled it out of the ignition or she and the truck would both be dead (it was parked in gear).
She’s just gorgeous!!
I have a shepherd mix (Malinois/Akita/husky???). I will say this..I spent a ton of money on a 4’6”+ foot fence (split rail with heavy gauge turkey wire). He hops right over when motivated strongly enough. He either hops to the top rail, or he gets a foothold on the wire and over he goes. They are escape artists.
All those bags of black beans coming out of the voting booths are about to slap Rick in the face.
Most electable most conservative, and we will best Obama!
I think it's an extremely legitimate concern. Unless the dems plan widespread cheating at the polls (I'm sure they do) - Obama does not have a leg to run on. However, if they bring in a primary challenger - they can run on change again - and make it much tougher for us to win.
I think there's at least a 50% chance our nominee won't be running against Obama. As far as it being "too late" for a challenger - there are ways around that - if, for some reason Obama is unable to run. Don't put anything past them.
Newt has best chance of beating him to a pulp and not letting him get up. The rest will give him the respect of the office and not take him to task relentlessly
oh ! that makes more sense :)
Watch the coming weeks for a poll shift. Perry will be moving slowly back up.
In fact, I got the guillotine gate from Hickbuilt.com in Texas. Saved a lot of time compared to welding up one of my own.
Dax is a KNPV line Dutch Shepherd. She is very smart and can indeed jump. Dax loves my 4WD Dodge Power Wagon and thinks its hers. At six months, she jumped from downhill through the open cab window. She grabbed the key in her teeth and tried to steal the truck. Fortunately, she pulled it out instead of turning it. It was in gear next atop a gulch. It's a good thing she blew it or both she and the truck would be dead.
Dax, for President! Why elect a bitch like Hillary! when you can have the real thing!!!
Love Marcus and Lone Survivor ~ Awesome book. A must must read if you haven’t yet.
“Obama cannot be reelected ....”
You are being dangerously overconfident. Obama’s floor is 45%. A chunk of those who dissaprove of him will vote for him anyway.
If the economy improves ever so slightly, Obama will have better than even odds of being re-elected.
Ah yes, dogs and cars. I left mine in the car to go to a convenience store. While waiting in line to checkout, we heard a repeated car horn honking...sure enough, he was sitting in the driver’s seat.
Good thing I took the keys ;-). All I had was noseprints on the windshield.
“Obama cannot be reelected ....”
He cannot even cheat enough to get close to 270.
*sigh*
I don’t love hearing my concerns affirmed!
Oh I do so hope we don’t have Hillary...or any other dem or awful rino as final choices.
Dear God,
Please help us.
Amen
texokie
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