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Karzai Says Afghanistan Would Back Pakistan if U.S. Attacks (They love you Obama)
Fox News ^ | 10/23/2011 | ap

Posted on 10/23/2011 6:59:26 PM PDT by tobyhill

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said if the United States and Pakistan ever went to war, his country would back Islamabad, drawing a sharp rebuke Sunday from Afghan lawmakers who claimed the country's top officials were adopting hypocritical positions.

The scenario is exceedingly unlikely and appears to be less a serious statement of policy than an Afghan overture to Pakistan, just days after Karzai and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Islamabad must do more to crack down on militants using its territory as a staging ground for attacks on Afghanistan.

"If fighting starts between Pakistan and the U.S., we are beside Pakistan," Karzai said is an interview with private Pakistani television station GEO that aired Saturday. "If Pakistan is attacked and the people of Pakistan need Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."

He said that Kabul would not allow any nation, including the U.S., to dictate its policies. Both Washington and Kabul have repeatedly said Pakistan is providing sanctuary to militant groups launching attacks in Afghanistan.

The comments set off a firestorm of criticism in the country. Afghan lawmakers argued they were particularly hypocritical coming just weeks after the assassination of former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani by a suicide bomber.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; karzai; obama; pakistan; pockeeston

1 posted on 10/23/2011 6:59:38 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

when NATO leaves Karzai must know he’s toast ,so which country is he going to hide in this time with all his bags of money


2 posted on 10/23/2011 7:05:59 PM PDT by molson209
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3 posted on 10/23/2011 7:08:10 PM PDT by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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4 posted on 10/23/2011 7:10:41 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: tobyhill

And the hits just keep coming out of the Middle East...


5 posted on 10/23/2011 7:13:24 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

Just nuke the place, along with Iraq and Iran, when we leave with ALL our people: military, civilian, contractors.


6 posted on 10/23/2011 7:20:43 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: tobyhill

Eff muzzie nations-—all of them!


7 posted on 10/23/2011 7:34:18 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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8 posted on 10/23/2011 7:47:49 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: tobyhill

Remember the good old days when our Allies at least pretended to like us?


9 posted on 10/23/2011 8:04:44 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: PGR88

I remember those days. Those were the days when they FEARED us, and that is the way it should be.


10 posted on 10/23/2011 8:24:40 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: tobyhill
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said if the United States and Pakistan ever went to war, his country would back Islamabad

Karzai just voiced the undisputable fact: 99.9% of his country are Muslims and will support another Muslim state if it is attacked by The Great Satan.

He could say that "we will support the USA" but then the royal "we" would be limited to him and a dozen of his advisors. It's not something he can choose and make it happen.

11 posted on 10/23/2011 9:05:33 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: MasterGunner01
Solution:


12 posted on 10/23/2011 9:39:31 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Greysard

Well, O-Douche-Bag said when the SHTF, he will stand(bend over)with his Butt-Muzzies.


13 posted on 10/23/2011 10:46:45 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: tobyhill

You’re really winning those hearts and minds there, 0bungles.


14 posted on 10/23/2011 11:06:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: molson209

Syria, of course.


15 posted on 10/24/2011 1:47:51 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: tobyhill

Yawn...

Anyone got the GPS coordinates for Kabul? Load ‘em up.


16 posted on 10/24/2011 6:02:06 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: tobyhill

Koranimals backing koranimals.

Move along, Kafirs....nothing surprising here.


17 posted on 10/24/2011 7:52:05 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: tobyhill

Karzai is nuts.

He had his moment, in 2001-2, when due to all the differences between all the Afghan factions he was felt by a majority of the factions to be less threatening than other possible choices and thus he was able to obtain western support to take the lead to begin the “democratic” process.

Karzai should have then become a one-term President.

Instead, he has become drunk on the centralized power that was installed in his office, used it corruptly, neutered the legislative process in many areas of governance, and has no understanding of how to play international politics in favor of his nations’ interest.

His responses and outcries at various points occur because he is floundering, with no clear approach to situations; he is confused between what is his own personal interest (his power) and what is in the interest of Afghanistan (Afghan sovereign interests).

My fear is that someone in Afghanistan is going to knock him off, and that we might get blamed as a party to it because of the nutty things he has said.

We should hope a democratic movement against Karzai would get strong enough to remove him democratically.


18 posted on 10/24/2011 9:54:18 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Karzai is nuts.

Karzai is riding a tiger. If he leaves the office he will be hanged on the nearest lamppost. What we see here is the new Gaddafi in the making.

We should hope a democratic movement against Karzai would get strong enough to remove him democratically.

Afghan democracy is of Mao style: "Power comes from the barrel of the gun." And why not? An insurrection is much easier to arrange than a popular, peaceful revolt. All you need is money to pay soldiers.

Also to remove someone from the office democratically that someone must adhere (willingly or not) to democratic rules. For example, he must not monkey with elections; he must quit if he loses; he must not stay in the office longer than the Constitution allows; and so on. Considering that Karzai's life is at stake, loss of the office means loss of his life (and his way of life too.) Perhaps he can escape Afghanistan and live somewhere, like in the USA, on money that he stole from the US aid. But he knows what the word "assassin" means, and he saw just a month or two ago how they work. He will not be safe anywhere on Earth.

19 posted on 10/24/2011 12:12:02 PM PDT by Greysard
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"I'm Karzai, Karzai and feelin' so lonely..."

Hamid Karzai

20 posted on 10/24/2011 8:37:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Greysard
"If he leaves the office he will be hanged on the nearest lamppost. What we see here is the new Gaddafi in the making."

While I am not defending Karzai, or anything he has done or anything he is doing, your statements are mere hyperbole. While anything is possible, neither Karzai's demise nor his safety are absolute or certain, no matter what happens.

I doubt you have more perfect knowledge of the situation or of the future than the rest of us, but most of the rest of us do not make such bold predictions and state them with such certainty. I won't pretend to know Karzai's future for certain; I'll let history write the outcome without my predictions.

No matter how ill any of us feel towards Karzai, the one positive that might be said for him is that there are worse figures than him in Afghanistan who would like to be in Karzai's place.

The Afghan political culture of the last two hundred plus years still sits atop all the modern political changes there of the last fifty years. It remains a country of tribes and villages where both tribal leaders and village elders have the sway of Mafia dons on culture and politics, no matter what political systems get put on top of it all. Just like our Mafia types, violence has always been a part of how the self-appointed village and tribal leaders insure their standing means their decisions will reign in the tribe or in the village. The Taliban didn't invent this, they were and are just more brutal and fanatical with it.

It's easy to attack Karzai for not changing all that, instead of succumbing to being a part of it, yet, short of a massive WWII style total takeover of the country by a few million outside forces (THAT was never going to happen) it is doubtful any Afghan leader was going to change it any time soon.

All that aside, none of it has required Karzai to take many of the "anti-American" positions he has taken (they have been neither in his interest or in the interest of Afghanistan) and none of that has required Karzai to be so inept at geopolitical diplomacy, when Afghanistan needs every friend that wants to be its friend and Afghanistan is only hurt by Karzai playing different friends of Afghanistan against one another.

That's why I say he's "crazy", the corrupt political culture of Afghanistan not withstanding.

21 posted on 10/25/2011 1:22:32 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
While anything is possible, neither Karzai's demise nor his safety are absolute or certain, no matter what happens.

The list of things that are certain in this life is short. However Afghan history of 20th and 21st century is full of rulers who didn't leave the office on their own feet. For example:

And that's only the highest leaders. This doesn't leave much hope for a peaceful retirement. Karzai so far survived five assassination attempts. Unfortunately for him, he must defeat all attempts, but an assassin needs to be successful only once.

It's easy to attack Karzai for not changing all that, instead of succumbing to being a part of it, yet, short of a massive WWII style total takeover of the country by a few million outside forces (THAT was never going to happen) it is doubtful any Afghan leader was going to change it any time soon.

True, that is easy. I'm not in Karzai's shoes and I don't know if he is taking the only possible route. However from what is seen from this side of the planet he isn't very successful in whatever he is doing. As I (personally) understand he tries to mend relations with Taliban since Taliban owns half of the country (the entire south) already. But my guess is that his cooperation (however limited) with the Great Satan earned him the black mark already. Forgiveness is not something often seen in those lands.

Is Afghanistan a basket case? Perhaps. However some earlier governments - namely, the socialists - were aggressively promoting progress while busily killing each other. If you look at the reforms of those socialists you will find them quite necessary. In the end the society was taken too far too fast, and it rebelled. The Soviet and the US involvement in the resulting war was actually an "after the fact" melee that hasn't changed much, besides creating Taliban as a fighting force.

Of course that's what I personally think. However implausible that might sound, I may be even wrong :-)

22 posted on 10/25/2011 7:30:46 PM PDT by Greysard
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