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Black America's divide over Obama
St. Petersburg Times ^ | October 21, 2011 | Bill Maxwell

Posted on 10/23/2011 7:28:08 PM PDT by neverdem

When Barack Obama was elected president, millions of Americans believed that the United States finally was entering a postracial period. But we are seeing old divisions return.

When Barack Obama was elected president, millions of Americans believed that the United States finally was entering a postracial period when race no longer mattered in any serious way. But the Obama presidency has, ironically, heightened racial tensions, and we are seeing old divisions return.

One of the most unexpected developments resulting from the Obama presidency has been the resurgence of conflicts and name-calling among blacks themselves. Not since the heyday of the Black Nationalist movement of the 1960s and 1970s has there been such bitterness among blacks about who is "authentically black" and who is not.

The source of this renewed infighting is the dashed hope that Obama, the first black president, would improve life for blacks - "his people." Life has not improved for blacks under Obama. The unemployment rate among blacks is 16.7 percent, nearly double the national average. Forty percent of black children are living in poverty, and the housing crisis has hit blacks harder than other groups.

Many blacks are disappointed and angry, and those who speak out and question Obama's performance are having their loyalties to "the race" and to the first black president challenged. Some are being called, among other insulting names, "Toms," "traitors" and "sellouts."

Media personality Tavis Smiley, Princeton University professor Cornel West, California Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters, and former pizza CEO Herman Cain, a Republican presidential candidate, are four of the most outspoken critics of Obama's performance.

During the summer, Smiley and West conducted a 15-city "Poverty Tour." On their website, they say the tour was "to highlight the plight of poor people of all races, colors and creeds so they will not be forgotten, ignored, or rendered invisible during this difficult and dangerous time of economic deprivation and political cowardice."

Referring to Obama's debt ceiling deal with the GOP, West said the measure was a "war on the poor" and that Obama "has no backbone." Later, he said of Obama: "He can speak to Jewish voters. … He can speak to gay voters. … Why can't he speak to black voters?"

Waters, while critical of the president, has not been as harsh. "The Congressional Black Caucus loves the president, too," she said. "We're supportive of the president, but we're getting tired. … We want to give the president every opportunity to show what he can do and what he's prepared to lead on. But our people are hurting. The unemployment is unconscionable. We don't know what the strategy is."

But West, Smiley and Waters are being excoriated. During one of his recent syndicated radio segments, comedian Steve Harvey, for example, accused West and Smiley of using personal vendettas to undermine Obama's re-election prospects. He mocked the outspoken duo as being affiliated with UTLO.org, an imaginary website whose initials stand for "Uncle Tom Look Out."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, an Obama loyalist, who has a radio show and a television program, issued a stern warning to the president's black critics. "I'm not telling you to shut up," he said. "I'm telling you: Don't make some of us have to speak up."

And then there is Obama critic Herman Cain who, in addition to claiming that racism in the United States "doesn't hold anybody back in a big way," said that Obama has "never been a part of the black experience in America" and that black voters are "brainwashed" for being loyal to Obama.

On the Joy Behar Show, entertainer and civil rights activist Harry Belafonte attacked Cain, along with black Republicans in general.

"The Republican Party, the tea party, all of those forces to the extreme right have consistently tried to come up with representation for what they call black, what they call the real Negroes and try to push these images as the kinds of voices that America should be (looking) to," Belafonte said. "So we've got Condoleezza Rice. We've got Colin Powell. They are heroes for some people, but for a lot of us they are not. And Herman Cain is just the latest incarnation of what is totally false to the needs of our community and the needs of our nation. I think he's a bad apple and people should look at his whole card. He's not what he says he is."

The fear for black leaders is not that the internal squabbles will cause Obama critics to vote Republican. It is that too many will stay home and deny the first black president the votes needed for him to return to the White House.


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1 posted on 10/23/2011 7:28:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Divided? If you mean 95% in favor of Obama no matter how incompetent he is and the lonely 5% opposed with a brain.
Yeah, I suppose you could call that divided.


2 posted on 10/23/2011 7:31:07 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: neverdem
Is there anyplace one can get photos of Ø'b0z0's cabinet -- and all his "czars"?

Will the races depicted reflect theracial makeup of the US?

3 posted on 10/23/2011 7:33:02 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: neverdem

A blind squirrel gets an acorn occasionally!!!


4 posted on 10/23/2011 7:34:54 PM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: neverdem

The details of this article disprove the assertion.
How is a black president having black critics not postracial? If Waters and Sharpton are criticising him for not being black enough, how is Obama not acting postracial? How is Cain’s criticism of Obama not post racial?


5 posted on 10/23/2011 7:36:02 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: neverdem

Divide???? No divide at all...95% in BHO camp..divide>>??? What a joke.


6 posted on 10/23/2011 7:39:18 PM PDT by maineman (BC EAGLES FAN)
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To: neverdem
When Barack Obama was elected president, millions of Americans believed that the United States finally was entering a postracial period when race no longer mattered in any serious way

Won't happen until a post-lieberal period is achieved.

7 posted on 10/23/2011 7:40:12 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: neverdem

“... Obama, the first black president, would improve life for blacks - “his people.””

Those aren’t Hussein’s people, those are Holder’s people. Holder is authentically black.


8 posted on 10/23/2011 7:40:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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9 posted on 10/23/2011 7:40:56 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: neverdem

The Dems played the race card to beat the Republicans in 2008. Barack Obama IS the race card.


10 posted on 10/23/2011 7:41:03 PM PDT by Misterioso (There is nothing so naive as cynicism. - Ayn Rand)
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To: neverdem
The source of this renewed infighting is the dashed hope that Obama, the first black president, would improve life for blacks - "his people." Life has not improved for blacks under Obama. The unemployment rate among blacks is 16.7 percent, nearly double the national average. Forty percent of black children are living in poverty, and the housing crisis has hit blacks harder than other groups.

Bush mucked things up so bad that even Obama can't fix it in just one term.

11 posted on 10/23/2011 7:43:11 PM PDT by umgud
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To: TXnMA

At a glance, the makeup looks fairly equitable...


12 posted on 10/23/2011 7:43:52 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: neverdem
On of the main reasons so many people got behind Obama was to create what they saw as an invulnerability for him by being able to play the race card whenever anyone disagreed with anything he may say or do.

That won't change. The libs won't desert him because that was their goal. The blacks won't desert him for obvious reasons. The OWS crowd won't desert him because they have no where to go.

America's hope lies with the independent middle... and maybe a percentage of the Jewish vote.

13 posted on 10/23/2011 7:46:09 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: umgud

its funny how the first “black” president stems from slaveowners not from slaves


14 posted on 10/23/2011 7:46:57 PM PDT by hecht (Diverthity is our strength)
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To: neverdem

Their disappointment stems from the fact that many blacks figured they would soon be livin large on easy street with one of “their own” in the White House. Obama has demonstrated that he is such a miserable failure that his Reverse-Midas touch has left no one protected regardless of race.


15 posted on 10/23/2011 7:48:27 PM PDT by festusbanjo (Herman Cain.The Un-Obama.Actual leadership,actual problem solving,actual experience.)
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To: tflabo

Whites never agree enmasse, why should the blacks? The country is America, not black America or white America. The black libs need to first, toughen up, and secondly,look at, up to, and listen to the Clarence Thomases and Herman Cains of the USA, and possibly their plight might improve. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.


16 posted on 10/23/2011 7:48:58 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: neverdem
The source of this renewed infighting is the dashed hope that Obama, the first black president, would improve life for blacks - "his people." Life has not improved for blacks under Obama.

His fans expected increased entitlements -- cradle to grave coverage for everything imaginable. Reparations.

17 posted on 10/23/2011 7:50:01 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: neverdem
"are having their loyalties to "the race" ...

The blacks are aligning themselves with the Mexicans? (La Razza). Didn't see that coming.

18 posted on 10/23/2011 7:54:29 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Rembrandt
“... Obama, the first black president, would improve life for blacks - “his people.””

Those aren’t Hussein’s people, those are Holder’s people. Holder is authentically black.

I apparently was mistaken in thinking that the president's and the AG's people were supposed to be the American people.

19 posted on 10/23/2011 7:56:33 PM PDT by Bob
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To: neverdem

Barry O is not “authentically black’, he’s bi-racial.
Hell, he’s not “authentically American” either, come to think about it. He’s Kenyanindonesiancommieagitator.

Just sayin’


20 posted on 10/23/2011 7:59:05 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: neverdem
I will never understand loyalty based on race.
21 posted on 10/23/2011 8:00:32 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-brings-the-house-down-at-values-voter-summit/)
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To: TXnMA


22 posted on 10/23/2011 8:00:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: neverdem

Herman Cain : Both parents black. His ancestors were slaves in America and he personally lived through desegregation and made something of himselof despite whatever odds. Showing convincgly to this day that he does not need the DNC PLanatation to get ahead.

Barack Hussein Obama : Mother was whte, father was a black kenyan. His father’s ancestors sold his own people into slavery. Obama did not live through desegregation and his grandparents raised him in relative ease. He maintains that the DNC Planatation is necessary and has pushed to increase its influence and power.

Now, you tell me who is the most authentic American black of those two.

They hate Herman Cain precisely because he has shown the way of how any person in America can make good with ingenuity, hard work, faith, and reliance on fundamental moral principle.

I believe he will cut into the DNC and Obama’s hammer lock on the black vote. Maybe not hugely...but even 5-10% more will be decisive.


23 posted on 10/23/2011 8:05:46 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: umgud
Bush mucked things up so bad that even Obama can't fix it in just one term.

There ya go - coupled with a Congress that blocks his every move the campaign has its bumper sticker "Bush and Congress stopped me".

It makes no difference what the facts are, makes no difference that the RATS had control of Congress for a full two years of his kingship. The media will cover his every sin. He is more teflon that Klintoon.
24 posted on 10/23/2011 8:07:02 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The biggest assemblage of morons in the history of representative democracy.


25 posted on 10/23/2011 8:13:47 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Jeff Head
I believe he will cut into the DNC and Obama’s hammer lock on the black vote. Maybe not hugely...but even 5-10% more will be decisive.

I doubt many will turn out to vote....unless the money is right.
26 posted on 10/23/2011 8:17:31 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Jeff Head

I believe Cain can pull 30%+ of the black vote. Remember, GWB got 16% in 2004.


27 posted on 10/23/2011 8:22:51 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: neverdem
Oh, c'mon ..... this is all just hot air ........ after it is all said and done the majority of black contingent of society will still cast the vote for Obummer.

I am confident that we will see that despite all of the divisive rhetoric we are hearing right now amongst left leaning people, once the demonization of the GOP and all non "O" candidates begins and keeping them constantly on the defensive not allowing them to talk about issues, the majority of liberal robots as well as minorities will fall back into line and stay on the proverbial plantation so to speak.

28 posted on 10/23/2011 8:27:20 PM PDT by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: 3Fingas

But, there are a lot of Black people who are pissed at Obama. And, I’ve said for months that the Black turn-out for Obama in 2012 will not equal 2008. They will NOT clean out the Crack houses, the Jail houses and the HO houses like they did in ‘08. The new has worn off, the novelty is over. The “stay at home” voters who are angry and/or apathetic could be enough to turn the Election.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 8:29:38 PM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: neverdem
Let your hearts not be troubled, as the Fox clown prince, Hannity says.
Obama and the Democrats will get 85%-90% of the black vote.
That alone will insure him a second term.
30 posted on 10/23/2011 8:34:01 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Misterioso

. . And there is a ton of money in “race” - that’s why the Sharptons and the Wests and the Gates and the Spike Lee’s won’t get off the talking points.

Kinda like “Homeland Security” - somebody’s making a lot of money in the usual ways . . .


31 posted on 10/23/2011 8:37:32 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: TXnMA

Check out JeffHead.com, Marxism in America, lots of politicians.


32 posted on 10/23/2011 8:38:50 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: no dems

That may all be true, but, even with Herman Cain as the nominee, I think the best result for Republicans will be 90% for Obama, 10% against. A lot of people are just not ready to admit they were wrong about him. This includes many stupid liberals who happen to be white. It would take a full-on depression to sway many of these people. Even in that case, many would draw the wrong conclusions and just say that Obama was not liberal enough.

Whatever happens in November 2012, it is going to be close. One, because the Republicans truly are the “stupid party” and two, far too many obamabots are still “clinging to” their “hope and change”.


33 posted on 10/23/2011 8:46:06 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: neverdem
here's the secret nobody talks about: many blacks want to be white. that's the charade obama sold them.

Many blacks can't like Cain because he's too black.

34 posted on 10/23/2011 8:47:23 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: maineman

“Divide???? No divide at all...95% in BHO camp..divide>>??? What a joke.”

I have to agree. There is no divide. When it comes down to it little Barry will get 95% of the Black vote.


35 posted on 10/23/2011 8:51:53 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: neverdem

Remember this? Tuesday, February 10, 2009: Florida Moocher begs Obama for new car, kitchen, at Ft. Meyers town hall.
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2009/02/florida-moocher-begs-obama-for-new-car.html.

As long as black folks think this way, they will remain on the Gubmint Plantation.


36 posted on 10/23/2011 8:55:08 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: umgud
Bush mucked things up so bad that even Obama can't fix it in just one term.

See my tag. 0bama is like a mechanic who promised he'd fix your car claiming he knew his thing. If later he claims the damage was so bad, it simply shows that he actually didn't know a squat about what was going on then. If he knew, even if things were worse than he thought, at least he would have a short-term solution to slow down the damage. Obviously he didn't because things has gotten worse.

37 posted on 10/23/2011 9:01:25 PM PDT by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: neverdem

Obama has “never been a part of the black experience in America” and that black voters are “brainwashed” for being loyal to Obama.

... and he was EXACTLY right !

0 was raised by white folks in Hawaii !


38 posted on 10/23/2011 9:15:04 PM PDT by sawmill trash (TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!!)
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To: neverdem

“He can speak to Jewish voters. … He can speak to gay voters. … Why can’t he speak to black voters?”

Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?


39 posted on 10/23/2011 9:16:34 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (PSA. As of 10/23/11, 380/455 days 'til we vote out/take out the trash. (11/6/12, 1/20/13))
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To: taterjay

Whites never agree enmasse, why should the blacks? The country is America, not black America or white America. The black libs need to first, toughen up, and secondly,look at, up to, and listen to the Clarence Thomases and Herman Cains of the USA, and possibly their plight might improve. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

I wish there was a “LIKE” button on here.
I agree 100%


40 posted on 10/23/2011 9:18:27 PM PDT by sawmill trash (TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!!)
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To: neverdem

the main reason Barry doesn’t care about blacks is that they don’t make up enough of the voting bloc. He can use them but, in the end, they don’t matter enough to help him get reelected.


41 posted on 10/23/2011 9:18:34 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: 3Fingas

Well, a lot more bad sh** can happen between now and Nov. 2012 to help them turn loose of their “hope and change”. I’m not saying they will vote Republican; I’m saying many will stay home. The new has worn off and they’ve not gotten their Cadillac.


42 posted on 10/23/2011 9:20:29 PM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: taterjay
Whites never agree enmasse, why should the blacks

Baloney! Until 2008, whites ALWAYS voted overwhemingly --way over 90%-- for a white presidential candidtate! /s

43 posted on 10/23/2011 9:33:28 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: neverdem
I went to the Tampa Tribune website to read the reactions to this article. The usual suspects showed up e.g. Herman Cain is a fraud and sold pizza with sawdust in them. Always personal attacks very little facts and the usual name calling of the Tea Party as racists. The biggest racists are the Democrats of the United States of America. They were the party of the Klu Klux Klan, Segregation, Section 8 housing, Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Minimum Wage laws, Gay Marriage, Tax and Spend, Welfare, Abortion, Income and wealth Redistribution, food stamps and Social Security. They have started wars, WWI,WWII, Korea, Viet Nam and GWOT. I say GWOT b/c of Jimmy Carter in 1979 by deposing the Shah of Iran began the Islamic Revolution and Bill Clinton's inaction during his term on the USS Cole Somalia and the African Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Let not forget the war on poverty. The Dems have destroyed many families especially black ones which happen to be their core constituency group. 90% of no other group except blacks vote for Dems but they have nothing to show for it except bad schools, high unemployment, high out of wedlock births, high abortion rates, high crime rates and higher rates of incarceration. Now I am just putting out facts but I would be labeled a sellout or Uncle Tom for doing so. It is simple if you break the law and get caught you go to jail. If you practice delayed gratification and self discipline you will be more likely not have any trouble with law enforcement. I grew up in a major city with 2 other brothers to parents that never went to college and yet all of us became successful in our chosen fields. Coincidence I think not b/c people on our block ended up in jail or the grave yard. It is about the choices that people make. Many blacks that adopt the I am no one victim mentality generally succeed in life. The viticrats and followers of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey, Cornel West, Tavis Smiley, Michael Baisden, Micheal Eric Dyson are having all the problems.

“The American people have always been anxious to know what they shall do with us. Gen. Banks was distressed with solicitude as to what he should do with the Negro. Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, “What shall we do with the Negro?” I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature’s plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot box, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone, – your interference is doing him a positive injury.” Frederick Douglass

44 posted on 10/23/2011 9:47:01 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Cain is the Harriet Tubman of our time leading blacks off the Democratic plantation to freedom)
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To: Tupelo

“Obama and the Democrats will get 85%-90% of the black vote.
That alone will insure him a second term.”

Not unless he gets help elsewhere. Blacks still only represent 15% of the American population, and only 50% of that number votes (correlating to the percentage of all Americans that bother to show up).
I think either one of two possibilities exist, Like an earlier poster said, if G.W. Bush can pull 16% of the black vote, Herman Cain has the opportunity to double that, or they stay home in droves because there is no excitement in the Obozo camp. They have all seen, the magic unicorn isn’t coming to poop skittles into their pockets to pay their rent, grocery bill, or put gas in their car. I know it’s anecdotal, but I hear story after story about black around the country angry that the “first black” president has been such a failure, and since the rise of Cain as the front runner for Conservatives, the media ploy of, “It’s whitey’s fault,and the evil white Republicans wanted the black president to fail” aren’t flying nearly as well as they did a year ago.
So buck up. Don’t be a defeatist.Until 11/6/12 we still have a chance, unless he deliberately starts the 2nd Civil War. I’m looking at this as an opportunity to educate, and free some of the black voters from the DNC Plantation.


45 posted on 10/23/2011 9:58:41 PM PDT by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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To: neverdem

If Cain gets the nomination, then the Republicans should get at least 15% maybe 20%.


46 posted on 10/23/2011 10:18:02 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: umgud

You forgot the /sarc. The black community has collapsed because the black family structure has imploded. Black males get all the sex they want with no attendant responsibility for the children they sire. The majority of black kids grown up in female households always on the edge of poverty.


47 posted on 10/23/2011 10:26:36 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Warrior Nurse

Great posting — both paragraphs!


48 posted on 10/23/2011 10:48:05 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: 3Fingas
c’mon, guys, do a little research...seems, lately, that even FREEPERS just believe and regurgitate the MSM.

The 95% was 3 yrs ago - things have changed. One of my sons, a long hauler, talks with blacks across the country on a daily basis. He sees a sea change in blacks as to Obama from 3 yrs ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/29/black_chamber_of_commerce_president_blasts_marxist_brownshirt_obama.html

http://www.youtube.com/mychalmassie

49 posted on 10/23/2011 10:50:21 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Jeff Head

You know, before retiring I worked in two major corpporations for a total of 35 years. I worked with people from all over the world who had come to this country to take advantage of the educational and job opportunities and did a great job of assimilating into this country. The Jesse Jackson and Al Sharptons are doing their level best to keep their race from doing the same. As a co-worker of Indian decent told me...The streets of America are still paved with GOLD. Some Americans are just to lazy to bend over and pick it up.


50 posted on 10/23/2011 10:56:20 PM PDT by IAGeezer912 (If government ownership of business is so great, why aren't the N. Koreans filthy rich?)
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