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Carson City Shooting Prompts A Call For Review of Nevada's Gun Laws (illegal NFA)
KOLOTv.com ^ | 23OCT11 | AP

Posted on 10/24/2011 8:27:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1

A deadly shooting rampage at a Carson City IHOP restaurant last month has prompted a call for a review of Nevada's gun laws.

Assembly Judiciary Committee Chairman William Horne said it would be appropriate for lawmakers to consider changes to the state's gun regulations after a man with a history of mental illness shot 11 people with an assault weapon at the restaurant, killing three Nevada National Guard members and a civilian before killing himself.

Horne, D-Las Vegas, told the Reno Gazette-Journal that while he's a gun owner who supports gun rights, he questions why citizens need to own an assault weapon.

"I think it's a good question to ask: Why does a typical citizen need to have an assault weapon?" he said. "I think we're at the point where we have to have that discussion. Can we protect citizens without impacting other people's rights?"

National Guard Sgt. Caitlin Kelley, who was seriously injured by Eduardo Sencion in the Sept. 6 rampage, said the mass shooting has made her furious about gun laws.

"I can't imagine why we are even selling assault rifles to civilians," said Kelley, who now must use a wheelchair after being shot in the foot. "There's no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian's home."

Sencion's AK-47-style firearm was illegally modified to fire as an automatic weapon.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: ak; ak47; assaultweapon; awb; banglist; carsoncity; carsoncitynv; ccl; ccw; chcl; concealedcarry; gca; ihop; machinegun; nfa; nra; shallnotbeinfringed
I feel sorry for the young enlisted soldier that was wounded, but I would council her on the 2nd Amendment as being absolute, and that the crazy maniac had already violated SEVERAL laws, espcially the National Firearms Act of 1934 and Gun Control Act of 1968 as well as conspiracy, assault, murder, etc....

How would making an illegal weapon, "more illegal" stop manicacs from using them against innocents? Answer: IT WOULDNT!

Anyways, here is your nanny-state mental midget enemy of the state:

Enemy of the people William Horne, DEMOCRAT=Las Vegas

1 posted on 10/24/2011 8:27:13 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1
"Sencion's AK-47-style firearm was illegally modified to fire as an automatic weapon."

Doesn't this make the reaction kind like someone proposing to ban gasoline because someone used it to make an illegal Molotov Cocktail?

2 posted on 10/24/2011 8:31:16 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: DCBryan1
"changes to the state's gun regulations after a man with a history of mental illness shot 11 people with an assault weapon at the restaurant"

I think it is already illegal for MENTALLY ILL people to acquire weapons. How will it help to make it illegal for OTHER PEOPLE to get them?

In fact, more illegal weapons in the hands of people around him might have prevented this tragedy.

3 posted on 10/24/2011 8:31:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: DCBryan1

If everyone who owned a gun, were allowed to openly carry their weapon (without threat of intimidation and harassment); such events as what happened at the IHOP would not only be far fewer, the number of casualties would be exponentially lower.

If everyone has a gun, and you start to make trouble; the odds are high that you will become a ‘Lead Magnet’.


4 posted on 10/24/2011 8:31:46 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: DCBryan1
Assembly Judiciary Committee Chairman William Horne said it would be appropriate for lawmakers to consider changes to the state's gun regulations after a man with a history of mental illness shot 11 people with an assault weapon at the restaurant, killing three Nevada National Guard members and a civilian before killing himself.

Nevada should definitely pass a law against people with a history of mental illness from having an assault weapon....

5 posted on 10/24/2011 8:32:09 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: DCBryan1

Billie Boy, Billie Boy, Charming Billie - you should read “The Racist Origins of Gun Control”.

Then you would not be making such commie inspired and historically contradicted statements.


6 posted on 10/24/2011 8:33:56 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: Hodar

I’m with you on this.

If he had been surrounded with armed citizens he might not have thought to shoot 11 people (or at least not been able to)

I think it is time we tell the libtards “OK we will agree to banning ALL weapons as soon as you get them away from the criminals first (let us know when you’re done)”


7 posted on 10/24/2011 8:34:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Hodar

I’m now of the opinion that owning and carrying (concealed or not) a firearm should be had by every one even those who are criminals and the insane. Make the laws in favor of the victims and make it open season any one using their firearms in a criminal manner. That would clean out the worst of them and make every other potential criminal or nutjob seriously think twice about ever doing that.

Carry on trains, cars, airplanes. How long do you think the Muzzy terrorists would last with an airplane full of armed Americans?


8 posted on 10/24/2011 8:38:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Carry on trains, cars, airplanes. How long do you think the Muzzy terrorists would last with an airplane full of armed Americans?

Had everyone who was willing openly carried in Carson City that AM, it's hard to imagine the perp getting into IHOP, let alone, go from sling arms/low ready to a shoulder or hip firing position.

Any idiot carrying a longarm in low-ready is out in public, I'll find cover and put my front sites on him until I find out his intentions.

9 posted on 10/24/2011 8:40:27 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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To: DCBryan1
Why does a typical citizen need to have an assault weapon?

The very words that gun grabbers use every time! - DEFENSE!

10 posted on 10/24/2011 8:42:55 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: DCBryan1

I still have not seen a follow up on the shooter. Who is he and what was his malfunction? Where did the hardware come from?


11 posted on 10/24/2011 8:43:54 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: DCBryan1

I still have not seen a follow up on the shooter. Who is he and what was his malfunction? Where did the hardware come from?


12 posted on 10/24/2011 8:44:11 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: DCBryan1

“National Guard Sgt. Caitlin Kelley, who was seriously injured by Eduardo Sencion in the Sept. 6 rampage, said the mass shooting has made her furious about gun laws.

“I can’t imagine why we are even selling assault rifles to civilians,” said Kelley, who now must use a wheelchair after being shot in the foot. “There’s no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian’s home.”.......”

A Sgt in the Army does not understand the difference between an M16 and an AR15? Sign, just what is our Army coming to?


13 posted on 10/24/2011 8:47:01 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: DCBryan1

These incidents will always happen regardless of how many people own firearms. But if we continue to liberalize the gun laws and Obama and the Left tries to press their desire for total gun confiscation into reality resulting in more and more people buying record amounts of guns annually, we will see these kinds of crimes kept to a minimum.


14 posted on 10/24/2011 8:48:15 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DCBryan1
“National Guard Sgt. Caitlin Kelley, who was seriously injured by Eduardo Sencion in the Sept. 6 rampage, said the mass shooting has made her furious about gun laws.

“I can't imagine why we are even selling assault rifles to civilians,” said Kelley, who now must use a wheelchair after being shot in the foot. “There's no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian's home.”.......”

A Sgt in the Army does not understand the difference between an M16 and an AR15? Sign, just what is our Army coming to?

Anyone who converts a semi auto to full auto is not following the law to begin with.

And the average full auto weapon is not typically one of the more popular sellers down at the corner gun shop.

15 posted on 10/24/2011 8:49:33 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: DCBryan1

Yeah, because gun control like California’s would have prevented that massacre in Orange County, right?

And I’m sure all those gang bangers that have turned parts of Los Angeles into an open air shooting gallery have concealed weapon permits.


16 posted on 10/24/2011 8:59:09 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: TexasRedeye

This is what our Foundlings Fathers wanted when they wrote the 2nd Amend
17 posted on 10/24/2011 8:59:45 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Mr. K
If he had been surrounded with armed citizens he might not have thought to shoot 11 people (or at least not been able to).

Of course, when surrounded by armed people they're faced with the old circular firing squad dilemma.

Though I'd rather be shot by friendly fire than by the perp. If I had to choose.

18 posted on 10/24/2011 9:02:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DCBryan1
"Why does a typical citizen need to have an assault weapon?"

A typical citizen doesn't need a reason and doesn't answer to you or any other politician. It's called The Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

"Can we protect citizens without impacting other people's rights?"

No. Simply....no.

19 posted on 10/24/2011 9:08:45 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: Mr. K
I think it is already illegal for MENTALLY ILL people to acquire weapons.

Federal law requires you to be "adjudicated mentally ill" to prohibit your purchase of a firearm. I don't know what CA law allows.

Are you ready to increase federal restrictions to include "diagnosed mentally ill" folks?

20 posted on 10/24/2011 9:12:55 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: DCBryan1

National Guard Sgt. Caitlin Kelley, who was seriously injured by Eduardo Sencion in the Sept. 6 rampage, said the mass shooting has made her furious about gun laws.

“I can’t imagine why we are even selling assault rifles to civilians,” said Kelley, who now must use a wheelchair after being shot in the foot. “There’s no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian’s home.”


They just did a touchy feely piece on this Guardsman this morning...

She just got a freebee wedding gift from the community...And she has the nerve to tell us why do we need AK’s, M16’s (I wish I had one), and M4’s???

IN MY HOME!!!

She questions that???

But she doesn’t question anything about the asshat that shot her and her friends that day...

I hope someone pulls her aside and tells her that she may be slightly wrong on this...Just slightly.../sarc


21 posted on 10/24/2011 9:17:41 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: DCBryan1

YOU have NO RIGHT to question MY Constitutional Rights... you asshole dim bastard.

LLS


22 posted on 10/24/2011 9:21:10 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: DCBryan1

It’s not the Bill of Needs.


23 posted on 10/24/2011 9:21:59 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: DocRock

Love the picture...

If only it had been for real...We could have done a lot of damage to the opposition with just a few of those...


24 posted on 10/24/2011 9:23:48 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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25 posted on 10/24/2011 9:26:16 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: PeteB570
“There’s no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian’s home.”

The femSgt is wrong on the 2nd amendment, but right on the weapons nomenclature. The weapon used was a full-auto AK -- which classes it with the AK47, M-16 and M4 -- which are select-fire assault rifles (properly so classed).

Of course, those of us who choose to live 'way out in the boonies would prefer to have at least one assault rifle (select fire) at hand for each trained defender -- instead of the semi-clicko Brady bunch- mislabeled "assault weapons" to which the current infringements now limit us.

"Police protection"? With the Sheriff's office at least twenty miles away? Not even a bad joke...

26 posted on 10/24/2011 9:27:10 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: DCBryan1; All
Did they ever determine if any of the guns that he had were connected to ATF gunwalking or the Fast and Furious scandal?
27 posted on 10/24/2011 9:38:22 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: MileHi
I have been following this since it happened insomuch as I am in Carson city and Tahoe on a regular basis.

The weapon is a MAK 90 out of Kali. Sencion got about 5 yrs ago. It was professionally modified for full auto. Sencion is also schizophrenic according to his family.

per the RGJ
http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110060332

KEY FINDINGS OF ATF REPORT
» The gun used in the Carson City IHOP mass shooting on Sept. 6 was a Chinese-made Norinco Mak 90.
» Eduardo Sencion had purchased it from a private party in California.
» The gun had been modified from a semi-automatic to an automatic.
» Officials are searching for the person who modified the weapon.
» Sencion fired about 60 rounds.
» Sencion also had in his vehicle an AK-47 and Glock

In a followup article one comment was interesting.
http://www.rgj.com/comments/article/20111011/NEWS/110090348/Sheriff-wants-know-who-modified-shooter-s-weapon

rep44pas
7:10 PM on October 12, 2011
“Well, are there file markings?
Look, contact the ATF, in 1992 or 1993 a shipment of automatic mac-90’s was discovered by the ATF and collected one piece at a time using records of purchasers, I know because I had one that was recalled by the ATF.

Perhaps more than one shipment came in? I mean based on our record of discovery, when we found our first one, I think its safe to assume other shipments may have gotten through.”

I wonder if this was part of that shipment or there may have been others? Maybe we are looking at a F&F or Gunwalker weapon.

28 posted on 10/24/2011 9:39:03 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: DCBryan1
Horne, D-Las Vegas, told the Reno Gazette-Journal that while he's a gun owner who supports gun rights, he questions why citizens need to own an assault weapon.

Don't let this fool you. This is the guy who - because of HIS PERSONAL objections - refused to let the Campus Carry law even come in for discussion. He and his office ignored phone calls, faxes, email & snail mail. I contacted him over and over - as did many supporters of the bill - and never got a response from anyone.

29 posted on 10/24/2011 9:42:07 AM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: Polynikes

Thanks. I have not seen that info.


30 posted on 10/24/2011 9:46:39 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: DCBryan1
I live just outside Carson City and have read many news articles on this "event". I believe I read that at least one person in the IHOP was licensed to conceal carry and was armed that day. However, he felt that he was outgunned and was concerned that he could have made things worse if he had drawn.

I know when I took my CCW class that was one thing they stressed with us. Be very sure BEFORE you draw your weapon that you can use it without collateral damage.

31 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:33 AM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: MileHi

Where did the hardware come from?

He probably bought if from the Obama Administrtion


32 posted on 10/24/2011 10:38:40 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country., Really! NOW!!!)
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To: PeteB570

Female, probably a clerk of some sort. Last time she fired a weapon was probably in basic.


33 posted on 10/24/2011 10:47:57 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: DCBryan1
"Why does a typical citizen need to have an assault weapon?" he said... "There's no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian's home."

I can think of a few...


34 posted on 10/24/2011 1:45:26 PM PDT by Gritty (There's no other way to say it... [Obama is] an enemy within - Matt Barber)
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To: TXnMA

Was it a full auto AK or was it a semi auto AK that was illegally modified to fire full auto?

I was under the impression that it was modified.

Which makes my case.


35 posted on 10/24/2011 1:52:34 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: DCBryan1

“Horne, D-Las Vegas, told the Reno Gazette-Journal that while he’s a gun owner who supports gun rights, he questions why citizens need to own an assault weapon.”

Nope...not possible to support gun rights and still have that question; unless, of course, you are a pandering libtard liar.


36 posted on 10/24/2011 2:22:51 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: PeteB570

“A Sgt in the Army does not understand the difference between an M16 and an AR15? Sigh, just what is our Army coming to?”

Well, we adpoted the 9mm handgun because lil female hands had a difficult time with the 1911 .45ACP.

So, the answer must be, a kinder, gentler, feminized and probably soon to be more queer Army.

PS One that doesn’t know guns all that well, from the quote from Sgt. Caitlin.


37 posted on 10/24/2011 6:03:08 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: DCBryan1
lets stop conceding the field to the wet panty brigade...

bigger question would be whether or not its 'Right' and proper for citizens to be able to defend themselves against lunatics bent on murder and mayhem ???

would she *feeeeel* better having been torched by a firebomb rathather than being shot by an otherwise regular old rifle round ???

38 posted on 10/25/2011 2:03:11 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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