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Rick Perry gets Forbes endorsement (Watch Video)
Hotair ^ | 10/24/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 10/24/2011 9:41:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Call this post “the good, the bad, and the ugly” for Rick Perry today to start off a new week for his campaign. He clearly wanted to start with a boost, and had fiscal-conservative icon Steve Forbes on Fox News yesterday with an endorsement of the Texas governor, tied to the upcoming release of Perry’s economic recovery plan based on the Flat Tax that Forbes himself championed in the 1990s:

On Tuesday, Rick Perry will unveil his economic plan which includes measures to drastically reform the tax code and lower the corporate tax rate. It will also, he says, provide generous exemptions for “adults and for children.” Unlike Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan, however, Perry’s plan will not include a sales tax. Forbes asserts that this small but significant difference, coupled with the governor’s “firm leadership,” are reasons why he is endorsing Perry’s candidacy.

Unfortunately, the Austin Statesman hit the newsstands yesterday before Forbes’ appearance with an attempt to dent Perry’s record of fiscal success in Texas, although they have to reach back to the 1990s for the story:

Over his eight years as Texas’ farmer-in-chief, Perry oversaw a loan guarantee program with so many defaults that the state had to stop guaranteeing bank loans to startups in agribusiness and eventually bailed out the program with taxpayer money.

The state auditor panned Perry’s claims of creating jobs and criticized Perry and his fellow board members at the Texas Agricultural Finance Authority for not following their own lending guidelines.

In some instances, the auditor said, Perry and the authority guaranteed loans to applicants with a negative net worth or too much debt. Citing growing debts, the auditor finally suggested that state officials consider dismantling the program.

Even as the first alarms were sounded, Perry defended the program, saying no taxpayer money was at risk, blaming others and claiming he had fixed it.

There is something vaguely familiar about the end result:

By 2009, her successor, Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples, also a Republican, asked the Legislature to pay off the loan guarantees with a $14.7 million appropriation. The finance authority could no longer afford the $541,000 to cover the annual interest on the bad debts, almost all of which dated back to Perry’s tenure.

“It’s bad,” Staples told the American-Statesman at the time. “Unfortunately, taxpayers are on the hook for something that happened as long ago as 1987.”

In effect, Perry, as governor, signed his own government bailout when he approved the 2009 appropriations bill.

In the end, loans that Perry approved had a default rate of nearly 30%. That overwhelmed the revenue generated by the good loans and created a sinkhole that taxpayers ended up filling in the end. The amount of money lost was far less significant than the one loan to Solyndra by the federal government in 2009, and nothing in the Statesman’s report suggests that the guarantees were issued to benefit political cronies, as was the case with more than one of the green-tech subsidies issued by the Obama administration. However, the loan guarantees ended up costing Texas taxpayers, for the similar purpose of government-subsidized job creation — only this time in agriculture rather than alternative energy.

On top of that, Perry seems to have forgotten a lesson learned in the 2010 gubernatorial elections. The once-promising campaign of Perry’s Tea Party challenger, Deborah Medina, imploded when she flirted with 9/11 Trutherism. In an interview with the usually soft-news outlet Parade Magazine, Perry sounds as if he wants to flirt with the Birthers this time around:

Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
I have no reason to think otherwise.

That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he”—
Well, I don’t have a definitive answer, because he’s never seen my birth certificate.

But you’ve seen his.
I don’t know. Have I?

You don’t believe what’s been released?
I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.

That came up.

And he said?
He doesn’t think it’s real.

And you said?
I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the President of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue.

Yikes. Did Perry see just how well this issue worked out for Trump back in May? It’s bad enough to have self-absorbed celebrity candidates offer this kind of nonsense during a Republican primary that should be focusing on Obama’s disastrous economic policies. Now we’ll have to endure another round of conspiracy theories that make Obama look like a victim and Republicans look like nutcases. If Perry couldn’t see that trouble coming and know to avoid it with a “Yes, he was born in Hawaii, and his economic policies were born in the offices of the SEIU,” then I’m pretty sure the Flat Tax and the Forbes endorsement isn’t going to help him much.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012election; 2012endorsements; 2012perry; election2012; endorsement; heartless; perry; potus; rickperry; steveforbes; texas; toast

1 posted on 10/24/2011 9:41:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There are several problems with the Flat Tax that need to be addressed.

It does not broaden the tax base thus leaving the current system of payers and payees in play for future political exploitation.

It maintains the current focus on taxing income instead of consumption thus punishing the producers at the expense of the users.

It leaves in place the current ability for trust funds and the massively wealthy to avoid paying any tax by structuring their payouts in forms other then income.

It does nothing to tap the underground off the books economy.

So while the Flat Tax is a massive improvement over the current system, it is merely rebuilding the existing tax code on the same corrupt, flawed foundation.

Of the two, Cain’s 9-9-9 is the better plan.

2 posted on 10/24/2011 9:47:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a hefty endorsement. I think that the national press clubs have been clubbing for Perry.

3 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:07 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: SeekAndFind
Not fond of milquetoast Forbes, but really like Perry's flat tax proposal. Can't wait to see the details.

Might be coming to late to help his campaign, however. We shall see.

4 posted on 10/24/2011 9:49:22 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Well... on the bright side, at least this is one less endorsement for Romney...

5 posted on 10/24/2011 9:49:31 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: rovenstinez

Well of course, why would Steve Forbes not endorse someone who uses his own proposed tax plan?

6 posted on 10/24/2011 9:52:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rick Perry gets Forbes endorsement

Rick Perry also got the endorsement of Whoraldo Rivera.

7 posted on 10/24/2011 9:57:12 AM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: rovenstinez
Sounds like a hefty endorsement.

Forbes also endorsed Juan McCain.

8 posted on 10/24/2011 10:00:05 AM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hate to burst a bubble, but we have FReepers who analyze the BC and say without doubt it is a created document. Does not reflect what an Obama BC would be like. It’s obvious.

Perry did great here. He was asked if he had seen the real BC and answered he doesn’t know if he has or not...he can’t tell, therefore he won’t say...then goes on to quote Donald Trump to say it isn’t real, which is Trump’s opinion after having his experts examine it.

If I were in Perry’s place, I would have said and done the exact same thing.

9 posted on 10/24/2011 10:00:39 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SeekAndFind


10 posted on 10/24/2011 10:01:02 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: South40

Endorsements don’t mean squat to people who think for themselves.

11 posted on 10/24/2011 10:07:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek

True in the sense that no endorsement is ever going to sway my vote. But I do find it interesting that a pro-ILLEGAL alien Whoraldo Rivera endorsed pro-ILLEGAL alien Texas governor Rick Perry. Peas in a pod.

12 posted on 10/24/2011 10:15:52 AM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40

Two of my favorite politicians (Palin and Hunter) endorsed a guy I voted against in the last congressional election. I voted the way I chose, no harm no foul and my guy won.

13 posted on 10/24/2011 10:21:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: SeekAndFind

These guys need to read the Constitution......especially Article II. “born in the USA” is NOT the eligibility requirement.

Why do we even listen to these fools?????? Why didn’t Perry correct the interviewer on the question and restate it in Constitutional terms? They’re skirting the issue at best.

I would have said..” Simple birth in the USA is not the Constitutional eligibility requirement. When you figure out what the requirement is and the answer to Obama’s eligibility get back to me and I’ll let you know if you are right. Vetting candidates is YOUR job.........

Both the interviewer and Perry in effect provided Obama with cover in Obama’s lack of Constitutional standing to hold the office of President......just another reason I won’t vote for Perry. A weasel with no ‘nads.

14 posted on 10/24/2011 10:21:37 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I favor a national sales tax on new goods that are priced at under $10,000 as a direct replacement for the Sixteenth Amendment. Scrap the IRS and fire all their employees.

A national sales tax gets money from everyone. It also puts the tax in front of everyone. All the time. Every day. It is in your face and any proposed change to increase the tax would be big news.

No more personal or corporate income taxes.

15 posted on 10/24/2011 10:27:20 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like the flat tax, so I am glad to see Perry pushing it and think it might give him a little boost to have Steve Forbes endorse him.

On the other hand, if Perry goes birther he is finished. Nothing will snuff out what remains of his candidacy faster than throwing in with a bunch of loopy birther conspiracy theorists. He was asked the question so I suppose he can at least say he didn’t bring it up, but now he is going to be dogged by it and any association with birthers is a campaign killer.

16 posted on 10/24/2011 10:31:56 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: rovenstinez
I just don't think a Forbes endorsement does anything for Perry other than affiliate him with the Good Ole Boys Club.

I'm tired of being told by the Beltway Blue Bloods who to vote for and who is qualified to be President.

I don't need Karl Rove, Steve Forbes, Charles Krauthammer and Brit Hume telling me a man like Herman Cain can't be President of the United States of America.


17 posted on 10/24/2011 10:33:20 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: SeekAndFind

Forbes tried to run for President in the past. He’s a smart guy but doesn’t fit the mold of an elected official - he does not have the personality for it.

He is in part among those behind Perry’s latest tax policy proposals.

Little prospect that he would work with Perry’s team to help formulate the policy and then not endorse Perry.

Maybe he is at minimum hoping for a major appointment from a Perry POTUS down the road.

18 posted on 10/24/2011 10:54:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

So Forbes is a supporter on non law abiding illegals just like Perry then?

19 posted on 10/24/2011 11:12:58 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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20 posted on 10/24/2011 11:14:06 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee, that’ll be helpful...

21 posted on 10/24/2011 11:14:37 AM PDT by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: South40

And Cain worked for Forbes. And Palin endorsed McCain. And DeMint endorsed Romney. And Christine O’Donnell gave money to Romney. And Cain endorsed Romney.

Shall we go ring around the rosie with all the endorsements made by all the poeple we need to tear down for our candidates?

22 posted on 10/24/2011 12:02:02 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sam Gamgee

I don’t know where Perry and Forbes meet or divide on illegal immigration. I just know Forbes worked with Perry’s team, helping to formulate Perry’s most recent tax policy proposal (as Larry Kudlow revealed on his radio program this past Saturday).

23 posted on 10/24/2011 12:02:06 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: MNJohnnie

Well said. A flat tax at any palatable rate (i.e., less than 26%) and a reasonable income exemption (e.g., $12K-$18K, depending on household size) doesn’t raise enough revenue without an extensive broadening of the tax base. And that is where any flat tax plan (including Cain’s) begins to stumble politically. We all want lower marginal tax rates, a simpler tax code, and our most cherished current tax deductions. Unfortunately, we can’t have it all.

24 posted on 10/24/2011 12:04:16 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Perry said birtherism is a distraction. What more really needs to be said?

25 posted on 10/24/2011 12:06:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perry called the birther stuff a distraction, and his tone in that part of the interview was unserious. I’m sure the birthers wouldn’t accept Perry as one of their own after that — he essentially said what Palin said months ago, that people can question it, that he can’t prove Obama’s birth certificate is real, and it’s a distraction to the serious issues.

As to the Austin Statemen, pretty hard work on their part tying loans from 1987 which finally needed a tax infusion in 2009 to Perry, who didn’t start running that program until 1993. And since the law was specifically written to loan money ONLY to at-risk companies, it was expected that they would fail. Still, with a 30% failure, that’s 70% success, and apparently it took decades to lose enough money to require a small infusion of cash.

The legislation was originally put in place in the 1980s. Perry’s job was to implement the law as written, and he did. Near the end of his term, there were calls to open up the program to more viable companies, according to the article, but that wouldn’t have helped Perry make better loans because he won the Lt. Governor’s race and left his position as Ag. Commissioner.

The problem with being an elected official, even a successful one, is that it gives you a record, and records will contain failures, and can also be distorted or lied about.

But the answer isn’t to nominate a candidate who has no record because they have no experience.

26 posted on 10/24/2011 12:08:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I didn't start the endorsement thread -- I just responded. That's what we do here. If you don't want to "go ring around the rosie with all the endorsements" perhaps you should choose to ignore all the endorsement threads.

But as long as you are here you might as well read this.

27 posted on 10/24/2011 12:28:02 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Listen, I don’t think the Perry birther thing will pit all birthers against him.

Has any other candidate been grilled in a similar fashion? No. Cain has touched on it himself, but he hasn’t been attacked over it yet. That’s coming.

They want to force the answer from the Republicans, “do you or don’t you?” And they they want to hound them around with whatever comments they make.

I am considered a “birther”, yet at this point I will not hold it against any of them if they call it a distraction. For them it is a distraction. Their policies, backgrounds, positions regarding running this country are what should be foremost now.

I can’t let my convictions on whether obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be POTUS determine which one of these people I vote for. There are too many important issues to make that the hill I choose to croak on.

I want someone who will defend our Constitution ferociously, but until we can find absolute PROOF of the founders intent and meaning of “natural born Citizen”, and I mean the kind that not even Nancy Pelosi can brush aside, we birthers have a tough slog ahead. We can’t and shouldn’t dismiss everyone who won’t make it the cornerstone of their campaign.

28 posted on 10/24/2011 1:04:45 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: South40

Is that worse than Geraldo?

29 posted on 10/24/2011 1:09:22 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

lol! Maybe not.

30 posted on 10/24/2011 1:12:48 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40

Of course, that’s why I never endorse candidates — it would be the kiss of death. :-)

31 posted on 10/24/2011 1:27:28 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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