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Judge halts drug tests as condition of Florida payments
reuters ^ | 10/24/2011 | Michael Peltier

Posted on 10/24/2011 2:30:27 PM PDT by tobyhill

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To: Jay Santos CP

You didn’t know my mother.LOL


51 posted on 10/24/2011 4:34:40 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: truthguy
Thank God you are not on the Supreme Court or we just might get worse decisions than what we already have. Although I find it tough to imagine anyone dumber then Kagan and Sotomayer (who isn't intellectually fit to be a traffic court judge).

I do not know what it is about FR, but it seems when you try to explain the current state of the law, many act like I endorse the current state of the law. Shoot the messenger seems to be the norm on FR.

And you haven't answered my question as to whether any society can survive so many stupid, idiotic, and moronic decisions.

The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution was written over 230 years ago. If you want to call our Founding Fathers stupid, idiotic, and moronic, go ahead. The bottom line is that drug testing without probable cause to believe you have committed a crime is unconstitutional. Noone on the Supreme Court disputes that including Scalia, Thomas, Alito, or Roberts. What they have done in certain cases is allow exceptions to that (sobriety checkpoints, etc). This is not one of those cases.

My preference is to eliminate the welfare, not trash the Constitution. Quite a few people have died defending that "piece of paper".

On the other hand, there is no constitutional authority for welfare. It is completely unconstitutional and should be ended.

In addition, I think drug testing, like sobriety checkpoints, are ineffective. The only drug they can really test over a period of time is marijuana. The other water soluble drugs like heroin, cocaine, etc do not stay in your system long. In addition, at least in this case, it looks like it costs more to do the drug testing than you save in not funding those that tested positive anyway so you are not saving any money either (see Post #44).

But I will make no apologies for defending the Constitution. Many people feel that allowing citizens to own guns (2nd Amendment) is stupid, idiotic and moronic and I will defend the 2nd Amendment against them as well. We have an obligation to pass on our freedoms to future generations, and our generation in particular has done a horrible job with that.
52 posted on 10/24/2011 4:49:12 PM PDT by microgood
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To: JakeS
absolutely...
53 posted on 10/24/2011 4:59:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Ken H

Totally accurate.


54 posted on 10/24/2011 5:08:04 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: truthguy
Do you think the Constitution delegates power to fedgov to impose national drug prohibition and fight a WOD? Or, do you think that power is properly reserved to the states?
55 posted on 10/24/2011 5:17:44 PM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: tobyhill
the testing procedure could cause irreparable harm to recipients

And drugs don't. /s

56 posted on 10/24/2011 5:44:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: tobyhill

What an elegant way for Reuters to phrase this ‘ cash assistance to needy families’ How could anyone be against that? I think the term welfare is more fitting, however.
I will point out I am certainly subjected to random drug testing for the honor of giving 40% of my earnings to the government.


57 posted on 10/24/2011 5:52:24 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: microgood
When you joined the Army you gave up your constitutional rights.

Not exactly true. The courts have given the military authority wider latitude than that allowed civil authority. Military personnel, however, still have constitutional rights.

58 posted on 10/24/2011 6:15:49 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: microgood

Cold in your part of Wy. yet?


59 posted on 10/24/2011 6:35:52 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish))
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To: dinodino
as I don’t remember “gimme free shit” in the Constitution.

It's a living document and it "grew" that line later on. You just don't know how to interpret it properly.

Irony: Being forced to take a drug test in order to have the privilege of *working* for your money, but being exempted from a drug test in order to have the *right* to free money.

60 posted on 10/24/2011 7:32:07 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
I say that we give U.S. District Court Judge Mary Scriven in Orlando a drug test, STAT.

Maybe she's just dictating from the bench to protect "her people".

Florida Freeper


61 posted on 10/25/2011 3:45:37 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: dinodino

On January 13, 2009the Constitution, except when it suited their purposes,was removed as thegoverning statdard of the United States by the obama administration. It was replaced with czars and executive orders.No one in a position of authority opposed him.


62 posted on 10/25/2011 5:11:27 AM PDT by sport
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To: Joe Boucher
Cold in your part of Wy. yet?

Getting there. Actually I now live in Washington but consider myself a Wyomingite forever having spent the first 27 years of my life there.

Guess it never gets cold where you live. Just hurricanes.
63 posted on 10/25/2011 10:28:38 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

Last year was a cold winter for us.
About ten days at various times in got to about 30 here.
No getting much sympathy from folks about that though.
Few years ago we had three hurricane eyes go over our home which means we felt the brunt.
PErsonally we lost the pool screen but most homes lost their roofs. Place looked like blue tarp central,.
Looks like we may be looking at one come our way next week too.


64 posted on 10/26/2011 3:19:21 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish))
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