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Salina Journal ^ | 10/24/11 | GORDON D. FIEDLER JR.

Posted on 10/24/2011 6:41:25 PM PDT by Kartographer

"Nobody can afford right off the bat to buy 20 years of dehydrated mashed potatoes," he said.

He would buy a little extra every time he went to the store. Peace of mind increases as the larder grows, he said.

"If you stock food for a year and lose your job, you can at least eat for a year," he said.

Besides food and water, his stash includes certain medicines and some cash -- "If it's worth anything in the end" -- and important documents, some of which he's duplicated and stored off site.

"You can't be prepared for everything, but for whatever you can," he said.

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“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”

1 posted on 10/24/2011 6:41:29 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers Ping!


2 posted on 10/24/2011 6:44:18 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

We are on the edge. Everyday there is a new story about the ‘Yutes’ who grow more restless everyday and when you add the fact that because of the economy people are already on edge it won’t take much to set things off.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Today we have ‘yutes’ who roam our streets who are with out morals, without respect for law or life itself. They will look are you with the same ‘doll eyes’ a shark does before he eats you and they will feel no more compassion than the shark does.

That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3


3 posted on 10/24/2011 6:47:01 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Blogging again? LOL

/S


4 posted on 10/24/2011 6:52:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Kartographer
"Nobody can afford right off the bat to buy 20 years of dehydrated mashed potatoes," he said.

That's very true. But most of us can afford to toss a couple of extra cans of vegetables in the cart every week. There's no reason that you can't hit Costco or your favorite warehouse store for a $12, 50 lb. sack of flour or a $15 dollar 25 pound sack of rice.

When you're at Home Depot or Lowes toss one of those $3 cases of water bottles or one of those larger 5 gallon jobs for $5 into your cart. It took us a about a year but by my estimation we could go 3 months at least before things got ugly from a food perspective. That's miles ahead of what most American households have. We did it all very low key, too. So it's not like anyone saw us unloading a truck load of stuff into our house at once.

I know you take some crap from a few folks around here, Kart. But I really appreciate all you've done.

Thank you.

L

5 posted on 10/24/2011 7:01:29 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kartographer
Kartographer - Ignore the naysayers and trolls.

This is a good find and good post - thanks.

Here is a link to Part 1 of this series:

Prepping For Disaster 10/23/2011

http://www.saljournal.com/news/story/Prepper-Main


6 posted on 10/24/2011 7:03:25 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Kartographer

“20 years of dehydrated mashed potatoes’

Relatively cheap, actually, even for the exaggerated time span. Gotta mix in a lotta squirrel!


7 posted on 10/24/2011 7:04:25 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Kartographer

Imagine that...they sould like regular people.


8 posted on 10/24/2011 7:08:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer

See my tagline!


9 posted on 10/24/2011 7:08:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: All


Just A Reminder
Please Don't Forget
To Donate To FR


10 posted on 10/24/2011 7:24:45 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Kartographer

The communists always seem to try to control food. They say “how will the people get bread if the governmrnt does not give it to them”. Of course, they want to control who survives and who does not. You can see MooseChelle trying to lay the groundwork for government food control. If the government pays for your health care (even though it is paid with money stolen from you) they will try to control what you can eat because they will claim it affects health care costs.


11 posted on 10/24/2011 7:39:50 PM PDT by MtnClimber (The left wants our power generated by unicorns running on treadmills. What dopes!)
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To: dynachrome

A little bit at a time also helps to prevent spousal unit difficulties. One can build up a pretty nice larder before she/he figures out what’s going on.

Flipping out and dropping serious money all at once “Whattaya mean we can’t use the garage anymore??” is a sure fire way to cause problems.


12 posted on 10/24/2011 7:45:19 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: blam
I must say that I greatly prefer the "prepper me" to the old me. First and foremost my level of fitness has increased dramatically (since part of prepping is looking to one's fitness).

We rest much better around here now that we're better prepared to deal with break-ins and such.

Of course there's the nice sense of security one feels when one has just stored away enough food to feed the family for another month.

I just got off the phone with a fellow prepper planning to slaughter our first wild hog at his place next Saturday (provided he gets a good shot).

A couple of us are just starting up rural machine shop, which is also part of the picture of self-empowerment.

Next on my list is to learn ham radio.

And I wouldn't trade the great new friends I've made through my local prepper group for anything.

13 posted on 10/24/2011 7:48:23 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Kartographer
Some up lifting news:

World Power Swings Back To America

The American phoenix is slowly rising again. Within five years or so, the US will be well on its way to self-sufficiency in fuel and energy. Manufacturing will have closed the labour gap with China in a clutch of key industries. The current account might even be in surplus.

14 posted on 10/24/2011 7:50:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: The Duke
And I wouldn't trade the great new friends I've made through my local prepper group for anything."

Congratulations.

It sounds like you've got things 'humming' down there.

I too feel more secure (in many ways) these days than before too.

I think about prepping everyday and usually wind up doing something too.

15 posted on 10/24/2011 8:02:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: Lurker
Kart....you're great....I for one appreciate all you do....

as for prepping...I am very disorganized...I do have extra peanut butter, foil,plastic wrap,extra sugar, pasta, rice etc...but I don't use mylar or 5 gal buckets...I freeze pasta/rice for 2 wks then put them in canning jars with an oxygen absorber....I have at least 140 cans of tuna!...that is my pride and joy...lol....

but not organized pretty....I'm working on that....

16 posted on 10/24/2011 8:19:09 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Iron Munro

Naysayers are liberals that haven’t been mugged yet.


17 posted on 10/24/2011 8:39:38 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Lurker

With enough hot sauce, even beans and rice can be pretty darn good.


18 posted on 10/24/2011 8:41:47 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: The Duke
"A couple of us are just starting up rural machine shop, which is also part of the picture of self-empowerment."

Excellent. Good work.


19 posted on 10/24/2011 8:43:23 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: blam
I think about prepping everyday and usually wind up doing something too.

Sometimes when I'm in my office in the afternoons I'll take a little break and cast my eyes around and make note of everywhere I could put a 5-gallon bucket of long-term food storage. That bucket could feed a person for the best part of a month.

Now I'm thinking of clearing all the old, obsolete books out of my bookcases, which I can use to extend our family cupboard.

This week I'm working on fleshing out (no pun intended) my first aid kit, and maybe doing some work with water filtration.

20 posted on 10/24/2011 9:16:59 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
"Now I'm thinking of clearing all the old, obsolete books out of my bookcases, which I can use to extend our family cupboard."

Good for you.

My place has already 'over-flowed' and I'm moving non-essentials (not edible)things to a friends warehouse. He's a prepper and that place is getting crowded too.

But, we keep bringing it in....

21 posted on 10/24/2011 10:25:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: cherry
"I have at least 140 cans of tuna!...that is my pride and joy...lol.... "

Tuna is a winner.

22 posted on 10/24/2011 10:26:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer
Definition of EVERYDAY

Noun

: encountered or used routinely or typically : ordinary

— ev·ery·day·ness noun

Examples of EVERYDAY

1. Don't let the problems of everyday life get you down.

2. We're just an everyday family, with a dog and a cat

and bills to pay.

If you want to describe something that happens every day, then you the two words:

EVERY and DAY

SEPARATELY

23 posted on 10/24/2011 11:15:45 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Kartographer

Teach a man to beg and he may eat for a day .....but

Teach a man to steal and he can eat for the rest of his life


24 posted on 10/24/2011 11:18:48 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
Teach a man to steal and he can eat for the rest of his life

Short as it will be.

25 posted on 10/24/2011 11:35:47 PM PDT by Stentor ("All cults of personality start out as high drama and end up as low comedy.")
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To: Stentor

LOL


26 posted on 10/24/2011 11:48:02 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Kartographer
Another supplier you may be interested in.

Harmony House Foods.

Have had good experiences with them. We are ditching the canned foods for their dehydrated.
27 posted on 10/25/2011 1:05:18 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: blam

Don’t forget crabmeat, salmon, sardines and anchovies.


28 posted on 10/25/2011 1:46:31 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Kartographer

For some sensible, down to earth advice and information on steps you can take to prepare
on a budget for emergency, disaster or societal upheaval take a moment and look at this site:

How to Survive Hard Times
(clicky - clicky)

It is full of ideas and ways you can start small to prepare for uncertain times. It is one of the
best sites I have found to help organize your thoughts and get started on prepping. It shows
simple, effective, low cost things you can do to prep and stock up without a large budget.

Here is a sample of the topics you will find there:


29 posted on 10/25/2011 2:06:30 AM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Kartographer

I am keeping a notebook of printed research on things like how to make soap - how to render fat, make candles, smoke meat, dress wild game.

I also have been buying tools that don’t need electricity - from garage sales and antique stores.

I also have been buying up (@yard sales)winter clothes & boots, towels and sheets - my family teases me because I always say: You never know!


30 posted on 10/25/2011 2:18:30 AM PDT by 30Moves
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To: Kartographer

I have a life time supply of 100 watt light bulbs.


31 posted on 10/25/2011 5:14:59 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Graybeard58
"I have a life time supply of 100 watt light bulbs."

I have a life time supply of incandescent bulbs.

32 posted on 10/25/2011 6:53:49 AM PDT by blam
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To: MtnClimber

They say “how will the people get bread if the governmrnt does not give it to them”.


And what they mean is “we don’t want the people to get bread unless the government gives it to them.”


33 posted on 10/25/2011 6:58:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Graybeard58

Got a bicycle powered generator to light ‘em up with?


34 posted on 10/25/2011 7:01:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: PA Engineer
"Have had good experiences with them. We are ditching the canned foods for their dehydrated. "

The canned goods that you presently have, if properly stored, will still be good when this coming crisis is over.

Canned goods are good and nutritious a lot longer than we all have been lead to believe.

35 posted on 10/25/2011 7:06:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: MrB

No bike powered generator but I am in the market for a generator. Not for “end time” purposes but some members of my extended family suffered through an ice storm and were without power for about 10 days, if it happened to them, it could happen to me and like the good boy scout, I want to be prepared.

The gen set I’d like to have is expensive. Gen sets range in price from about $750 to upwards of $1,000,000. I want one that would replace all my electrical needs for a couple of weeks, probably propane.


36 posted on 10/25/2011 7:15:24 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Graybeard58

Look on ebay for “propane generator” or “natural gas generator”.

There are a bunch that people are selling, usually from defunct businesses, that have only a few hundred hours on them just from weekly testing.

They are running around $3000-$5000 + shipping ($500?) for a liquid cooled, 18KW model. That’ll run 3 houses, but I’m looking to oversize because I plan on using “woodgas” at sometime in the future.


37 posted on 10/25/2011 7:28:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: woofie

Teach a man to steal and he comes to my house he learns a different lesson from Mr. Mossberg. Unfortunately for him all exams are final.


38 posted on 10/25/2011 7:38:17 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Thanks for the english lesson.

Now would you care to post something useful on the subject of the thread?


39 posted on 10/25/2011 7:40:18 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: 30Moves
Don't forget antibiotics.

A Doctor's Thoughts on Antibiotics, Expiration Dates, and TEOTWAWKI, by Dr. Bones

""Studies performed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revealed that 90% of medications tested were perfectly fine to use 8-to-15 years after the expiration date. "

I've gotten my antibiotics at CalVet Supply for years without any problems.

40 posted on 10/25/2011 8:07:33 AM PDT by blam
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To: Lurker
There's no reason that you can't hit Costco or your favorite warehouse store for a $12, 50 lb. sack of flour or a $15 dollar 25 pound sack of rice.

I'm jealous of anyone who can carry those! My neck and shoulders are messed up enough that I can only lift about 5 pounds anymore. Still, 5 pounds of flour at a time can add up :)
41 posted on 10/25/2011 8:13:21 AM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: Ellendra

I toss 100# bales of hay but I still buy the smaller bags of rice & flour (on sale). Much handier size in the kitchen.


42 posted on 10/25/2011 8:28:04 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Noumenon
With enough hot sauce,
43 posted on 10/25/2011 8:40:08 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: The Duke
This week I'm working on fleshing out (no pun intended) my first aid kit,

May I recommend that you watch the YouTube series on this subject by Patriot Nurse. I found them very useful and informative.

44 posted on 10/25/2011 8:44:23 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon

How on Earth could I have forgotten hot sauce?


45 posted on 10/25/2011 8:45:35 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Tabasco’s available in gallon jugs, I understand. $35.00. Wish I could buy Cholula that way.

Off to Costco today for a few more items...


46 posted on 10/25/2011 9:22:30 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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47 posted on 10/25/2011 9:58:17 AM PDT by anglian
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To: dynachrome

“Relatively cheap, actually, even for the exaggerated time span.”

True. Dehydrated potatoes (or just about any other starch, actually), has about 1600 Calories/lb. A 2000 Calorie/day diet, would equal about 9125 lbs, for one person for 20 years. The cheapest place I know to buy dehydrated potates is at $33/25lbs., meaning about $600 per year, or about $1.65 per day for a 2000 Calorie diet.

$50 Some odd dollars for a monthly food budget is cheap, although 20 years of dehydrated potatoes would cost around $12,000. You are right though, that is relatively cheap, but all you have to do is add some oil to that for even cheaper calories (though oil doesn’t keep 20 years). 20 Years of food storage is pretty foolish in my opinion, but 5 years, is easily doable, you just have to be committed to spend that $3,000 dollars. It’s not that risky when you think about it as an investment, it’s not like you can’t eat it :-D (But I highly, highly, warn that it’s follish to try and store 5 years of one ingredient, like potatoes, because you’d get appetite fatigue and starve to death rather quickly, FYI).

Preppers tend to be smarter, or at least wiser, than the average population, but new preppers are often inexperienced, which is why I warn against the all _____ approach (rice, wheat, potatoes, etc.).


48 posted on 10/25/2011 10:38:07 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: blam
The canned goods that you presently have, if properly stored, will still be good when this coming crisis is over.

Bad choice of words. We are rotating and replacing with dehydrated. The dehydrated take up much less space, seem fresher when rehydrated and are much lighter on the shelves. The prices for rehydrated volume seem competitive.

We are fortunate to have a large, dry and cold basement. One area (thermal gun) stays at 55 degrees.

We were truly pleased with the their products. They were much better tasting than the canned.
49 posted on 10/25/2011 11:04:39 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: blam

Yes, I have some that I got for dogs at the local co-op. I haven’t ever used antibiotics for myself or my kids - not sick much and just weathered through it.

But, if the SHTF - I suppose I could try them.


50 posted on 10/25/2011 11:10:38 AM PDT by 30Moves
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