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Flat Tax Outpaces 9-9-9 in Poll, Notably Among Conservatives
ABC News ^ | 11-25-2011 | Gary Langer

Posted on 10/25/2011 8:53:31 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Flat Tax Outpaces 9-9-9 in Poll, Notably Among Conservatives

Gary Langer

October 25, 2011

A flat tax like the one proposed today by Republican presidential candidate Gov. Rick Perry engenders a split decision in public opinion — if not the warmest reception, a better one than the public’s broader disapproval of his rival Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan.

While a flat tax divides the nation overall, moreover, it resonates most strongly in a group of particular interest to Perry – “very conservative” Americans, a key GOP voting group. They hold favorable views of a flat tax by a broad 68-28 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll,....

...As noted, very conservative Americans express a favorable opinion of a flat tax plan by a vast 40-point margin. The same group, by contrast, only divides on 9-9-9, with 46 percent seeing it favorably, 49 percent unfavorably.

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1 posted on 10/25/2011 8:53:32 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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2 posted on 10/25/2011 8:55:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing

It is simpler, it doesn’t require a new national tax and the “opportunity” zones that will require a new bureaucracy and another smack at federalism.


3 posted on 10/25/2011 8:57:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: smoothsailing

The flat tax makes infinitely more sense than that “9-9-9” BS that would add yet another tax and yet another federal bureaucracy to collect it!

Or that “fair” tax scheme that is so bad its supporters have to lie about the actual tax rate - or maybe they just flunked fifth-grade math...


4 posted on 10/25/2011 8:58:33 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: GeronL; smoothsailing

It’s a real shame Perry doesn’t have the mental equipment necessary to defend a flat tax in a debate.


5 posted on 10/25/2011 8:59:13 PM PDT by NoMitt
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To: smoothsailing
>>>>> “very conservative” Americans, a key GOP voting group. They hold favorable views of a flat tax by a broad 68-28..

I like the Perry plan too.

6 posted on 10/25/2011 9:00:44 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: NoMitt
Perry is asked about his tax proposal:


7 posted on 10/25/2011 9:02:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Reagan Man

Does it touch corporate taxes?


8 posted on 10/25/2011 9:02:43 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Reagan Man

The Forbes plan is okay, its Perry I have no like for.


9 posted on 10/25/2011 9:03:03 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

LOL! I damn near hit “Perry” coming up my drive tonight!


10 posted on 10/25/2011 9:04:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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11 posted on 10/25/2011 9:05:53 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smoothsailing
Btw, the Tax Foundation initial analysis of the Perry flat tax plan. LINK

"Overall, the Perry flat tax plan would be a boon to long-term economic growth and increasing the competitiveness of the U.S. in the global economy. While it could be criticized for not immediately replacing the current system with a simpler tax code, it does offer taxpayers the opportunity for "self-help tax reform." In this way, it allows taxpayers the choice between the current complicated tax code and a simpler, single-rate tax code.

From a political perspective, the optional nature of the plan frees politicians from taking on the special interests directly. These special interest provisions will decrease in importance as people gravitate to the new simplified tax system.

The plan will undoubtedly be criticized for not being revenue neutral in the short run. But it is clear that the authors put economic growth and competitiveness ahead of revenue neutrality. Considering the state of the economy today, that is probably a good decision."

12 posted on 10/25/2011 9:06:03 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: GeronL
The Forbes plan is okay, its Perry I have no like for.

Please list the things you like about Forbes Plan and do not like about Perry's Plan.

13 posted on 10/25/2011 9:07:35 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: BenKenobi
From the Tax Foundation: LINK

•Cut the corporate income tax rate to 20 percent while eliminating most tax provisions: The plan would lower the current 35 percent corporate income tax rate to 20 percent while eliminating most corporate tax deductions. The R&D tax credit would be retained and corporations would be able to fully expense their capital investments.

Assessment: This part of the plan would instantly make the U.S. one of the most attractive places for investment in the world. Cutting the federal corporate tax rate to 20 percent would bring the overall U.S. rate to roughly 25 percent when accounting for state taxes. This would bring the U.S. rate in line with the OECD average of 25 percent and the Chinese rate of 25 percent. Cutting the corporate tax rate will have a significant and lasting impact on long-term economic growth.

14 posted on 10/25/2011 9:09:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man
Thanks for posting. This part bears repeating...

"From a political perspective, the optional nature of the plan frees politicians from taking on the special interests directly. These special interest provisions will decrease in importance as people gravitate to the new simplified tax system."

The old code would wither away over time.

15 posted on 10/25/2011 9:11:55 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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16 posted on 10/25/2011 9:12:24 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Reagan Man

9 percent > 20 percent I’m afraid.


17 posted on 10/25/2011 9:14:24 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Irish Eyes
The flat tax is fine. I did not say Perry's "plan", I said Perry!
18 posted on 10/25/2011 9:15:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: smoothsailing

Interesting poll numbers, smoothsailing.

So I guess we have these three choices:

1. Herman Cain - Fair Tax

2. Rick Perry - Flat Tax

3. Barack Obama - Fat Tax

From the looks of things... I think we can be confident we will win the election in 2012!


19 posted on 10/25/2011 9:16:57 PM PDT by casinva
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To: BenKenobi

The 9% sales tax in Cain’s 999 makes it DOA.

Btw, its “<” for less and “>” for more.


20 posted on 10/25/2011 9:18:28 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Irish Eyes

Guardasil, La Raza, TTC, heartless... etc etc


21 posted on 10/25/2011 9:18:28 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: smoothsailing
This part bears repeating...

"From a political perspective, the optional nature of the plan frees politicians from taking on the special interests directly. These special interest provisions will decrease in importance as people gravitate to the new simplified tax system."

agree, bttt :)

22 posted on 10/25/2011 9:22:30 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: smoothsailing

If Perry didn’t appear to be so inept at speaking in public it may be more appealing, but the fact is, he looked silly presenting it.

It’s probably viable, but you’ve got the wrong guy pushing it.
He’s coming across as unlikable and worse, kind of dim witted.

I wish it wasn’t so, but he’s a dim bulb, even more so than GWB, and that’s saying something.


23 posted on 10/25/2011 9:24:23 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Herman Cain 2012..get on the CAIN train! Content of Character, that's the ticket!)
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To: BenKenobi

Here are some parts of Perry’s economic reform in his “Cut, Balance, and Grow” Plan that deal with corporate tax.


Eliminate Corporate Loopholes and Special-Interest Tax Breaks

Many Americans are rightly outraged by news stories that corporations like GE somehow pay nothing in taxes after earning more than $14 billion in profits.24 Due to the mind-boggling complexity of the tax code, large corporations can implement the most effective tax avoidance strategies money can buy, while American taxpayers are forced to send thousands of dollars to the federal government instead of spending it on their families. And unlike small businesses that cannot afford to house an army of lawyers and tax accountants, large and sophisticated corporations have the means to find and use every tax avoidance strategy that lies buried in the tax code. The myriad tax breaks, loopholes, and so-called tax expenditures available within the corporate tax code need to be phased out over time to ensure a level playing field for family-owned small businesses and multi-national corporations.

Reduce Corporate Income Tax Rate to 20% to Enhance American Competitiveness

The U.S. has the second-highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Over the past 13 years, 30 countries within the OECD have lowered their corporate tax rates to increase their global competitiveness, while the U.S. corporate tax rate remained unchanged.25 According to aggregates of more than a dozen estimates of effective tax rates across the world, the U.S. effective corporate tax rate of 28% exceeds the average rate of most other nations by nearly 8%. Bringing the U.S. tax rate more in line with America’s global competitors will increase incentives for companies to locate their new factors or hire new employees in the U.S.

Enhance American Competitiveness by Transitioning to a Territorial Tax System

The current “worldwide system” of corporate taxation used by the U.S. creates significant incentives for American companies with foreign subsidiaries to leave profits overseas instead of investing them in the U.S. The worldwide system of taxation taxes overseas income first at the tax rate in the country where the income is earned and then a second time when profits are brought back to the U.S. In essence, income earned in a foreign tax jurisdiction can be tax-deferred until it is brought back to the U.S. Under a territorial system, corporate profits would be taxed only once – in the country where the income is earned. When combined with a lower corporate tax rate, transitioning to a territorial system of taxation would make the U.S. far more competitive with other countries, increasing economic growth and creating more jobs for American workers.

Allow Locked-Up Overseas Capital to be Brought Back to the U.S. at a Reduced Tax Rate

More than $1 trillion in income is stuck overseas due to the current complicated U.S. treatment of foreign-earned corporate income according to numerous studies from researchers on both sides of the political divide. Although a territorial system of taxation eliminates the issue of locked-up overseas income going forward, a reduced tax rate on repatriated earnings can help attract capital that has been left overseas since the most recent repatriation holiday in 2004.

A study conducted for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce by former CBO director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated that a one-time repatriation tax rate of 5.25% would bring over $1 trillion in capital back to the U.S., creating up to 2.9 million new jobs and $360 billion in increased economic output.26 Laura Tyson, the former head of the White House Council of Economic advisers for President Clinton, authored a study for the New America Foundation that found a reduced repatriation rate would increase GDP by up to $336 billion, create between 1.3 million to 2.5 million new jobs, and increase tax revenue by $36 billion.27


There is much more economic and entitlement reform in the plan as well in addition to the tax reform proposals.

If you didn’t get the link to the entire plan, you can get it here:

http://www.rickperry.org/cut-balance-and-grow-html/

And here is a quick outline review:

http://www.rickperry.org/content/uploads/2011/10/Cut-Balance-and-Grow-Summary.pdf


25 posted on 10/25/2011 9:27:34 PM PDT by casinva
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To: Carl from Marietta

I don’t care who makes it a reality, as long as someone does. It’s a damn good plan.


26 posted on 10/25/2011 9:28:18 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing

999 is awful. No, no and more no to consumption taxes. Perry’s flat tax is vastly better. Now, lets see if Perry can stay away from birther conspiracies and actually defend and advance his plan. If he does, he just might get back in the game (assuming he doesn’t flub the next debate).


27 posted on 10/25/2011 9:30:38 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Irish Eyes
It's not so much the Perry plan we don't like, it's Rick Perry! Perry waited months to get in the race, then had no plan besides claiming that he created all those jobs in TX (mostly filled by immigrants). Only after seeing that Cain (who had a tax plan when he started running) was taking off did Perry see the need for offering a plan. Like every other pitch of Perry's, it was plagiarized from someone else: Forbes.

Perry is just an empty suit, another hack career politician. He changes parties and sales pitches to suit the occasion.

28 posted on 10/25/2011 9:31:54 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: GeronL

At least you don’t have your priorities in order.


29 posted on 10/25/2011 9:33:26 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: smoothsailing

“This part of the plan would instantly make the U.S. one of the most attractive places for investment in the world.”

I like that part!

Yes, it is a very good plan.


30 posted on 10/25/2011 9:34:57 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: hellbender
Seems more like Perry let someone else put a plan out and then grabbed pieces of it the public seemed to like. Shallow man with no real core values.
31 posted on 10/25/2011 9:36:23 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: Longbow1969

No doubt about it, it’s up to him. The plan is a good one, if he can’t seal the deal, I hope someone else will run with it.


32 posted on 10/25/2011 9:37:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Reagan Man
Thanks for that great link in your post there, Reagan Man!

Here are two paragraphs from that site that are music to my ears:

From a political perspective, the optional nature of the plan frees politicians from taking on the special interests directly. These special interest provisions will decrease in importance as people gravitate to the new simplified tax system.

The plan will undoubtedly be criticized for not being revenue neutral in the short run. But it is clear that the authors put economic growth and competitiveness ahead of revenue neutrality. Considering the state of the economy today, that is probably a good decision.

Eliminating special interests.

An emphasis on economic growth and competitiveness.

I like. :-)

33 posted on 10/25/2011 9:41:59 PM PDT by casinva
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To: Reagan Man

Yeah and 9 percent is a better corporate deal than 20 percent. You’ll go from being one of the better to being on par with the real demons of finance.


34 posted on 10/25/2011 9:42:55 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: smoothsailing

Hey, I just said that!

Hey, I just realized you said that before I did on this thread!


35 posted on 10/25/2011 9:45:18 PM PDT by casinva
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To: casinva
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36 posted on 10/25/2011 9:46:35 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Carl from Marietta
even more so than GWB

GWB with his Harvard Business School Master's degree?

37 posted on 10/25/2011 9:48:03 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: GeronL; Irish Eyes
Guardasil, La Raza, TTC, heartless... etc etc

Irish Eyes asked about the difference between Perry's and Forbes' tax plans.

What do "Guardasil, La Raza, TTC, heartless... etc etc" have to do with those two tax plans?

38 posted on 10/25/2011 9:48:20 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Too many people are incapable of critical thinking. Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Perry has said some great things, but they’ve all been said before. Is he saying them because he deeply believes them, or because he thinks they will win over the conservative base? After being cheated by Pubbie career politicians for decades, I no longer trust them. Certainly, someone who actually saw value in Al Gore cannot be trusted. I know Palin fought the corrupt machine in AL and paid a high price for it, so she is for real. But she’s not running. I think Bachman lives out her beliefs, but for some reason she has not gotten needed support. I’m with Cain now, but he’s not perfect.


39 posted on 10/25/2011 9:50:03 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Perry has said some great things, but they’ve all been said before. Is he saying them because he deeply believes them, or because he thinks they will win over the conservative base? After being cheated by Pubbie career politicians for decades, I no longer trust them. Certainly, someone who actually saw value in Al Gore cannot be trusted. I know Palin fought the corrupt machine in AL and paid a high price for it, so she is for real. But she’s not running. I think Bachman lives out her beliefs, but for some reason she has not gotten needed support. I’m with Cain now, but he’s not perfect.


40 posted on 10/25/2011 9:50:03 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: GeronL; Irish Eyes

And Geron,

I have these words that come to mind when I think of you:

blaa, blaa, blaa, YUCK, stinky feet..... etc etc

(But you know we still love ya here overall, FRiend!) LOL


41 posted on 10/25/2011 9:50:46 PM PDT by casinva
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To: nicmarlo; smoothsailing

As I read down this thread, I am starting to get the idea that this is one of the favorite parts of this plan!


42 posted on 10/25/2011 9:54:02 PM PDT by casinva
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To: Cobra64

I said I liked the flat tax but not Perry and was asked why, so I answered.


43 posted on 10/25/2011 9:58:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: casinva

You forgot “bad breath” because of my gum problem, but I guess that might be rude. lol


44 posted on 10/25/2011 9:59:55 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: lonestar

Oh my gosh lonely star, if you can’t see that GWB was a total disaster then you’re in the wrong place. I could get a starfish a degree from Yale and the Harvard Business School.

Was it that difficult to read the history of the past decade, GWB was an imbecile who contributed as least as much as this present moron did to our present debacle.

Have you hear the moron speak, he was an idiot on steriods, my Gosh, George W. Bush was the worst president the GOP could have put up since....nobody, he was the worst, period.


45 posted on 10/25/2011 10:00:00 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Herman Cain 2012..get on the CAIN train! Content of Character, that's the ticket!)
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To: Longbow1969

Longbow,

You need to see how Perry shut down the CNN interviewer when he tried to ask Perry a birther question. Perry took him D-O-W-N, and he did it with quick precision too! LOL

There is a 1 minute segment of Perry’s Q & A session from this afternoon, a couple hours after his speech. Check it out. I think I could almost see fangs coming out of Perry’s mouth! :-) He just wasn’t going to put up with it, not one bit.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-shuts-down-cnn-reporter-for-birther-question/


46 posted on 10/25/2011 10:04:17 PM PDT by casinva
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To: smoothsailing

I can vote for either Cain or Perry. I will have trouble voting Romney, though. In my state it’s all about principles, because there’s no way for republicans to win California. I prefer a flat tax to 999. I think it’s an easier sell.


47 posted on 10/25/2011 10:05:22 PM PDT by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: smoothsailing

“No doubt about it, it’s up to him. The plan is a good one, if he can’t seal the deal, I hope someone else will run with it.”

Newt proposed it sooner, at a lower rate, and he can certainly “run with it”.


48 posted on 10/25/2011 10:10:02 PM PDT by moonhawk ((Broken)Heartless Hobbit for Sarah...)
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To: Rick_Michael

No to Romney, and No to Ron Paul. Perry or Cain or Bachmann are OK by me.


49 posted on 10/25/2011 10:10:18 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing

smoothsailing,

Did anyone ever tell you that you could have a future in Christmas tree lights? ;-)


50 posted on 10/25/2011 10:11:13 PM PDT by casinva
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