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“Youth” Mob Nearly Beats Man to Death in ‘Knock Out Game’ (Video)
Gateway Pundit ^ | October 25,2011 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 10/26/2011 6:31:55 AM PDT by Hojczyk

The local media would not release the race of the teens but the “knock out game” is popular with black youth mobs in St. Louis. KSDK reported:

St. Louis police are looking for a group of 10 to 15 people who brutally beat a 51-year-old man.

It happened near the public library in the 3300 block of South Grand around 11:40 p.m. on October 21.

St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay was the first person to spot the victim. He tells NewsChannel 5 he was driving along Grand with his security officer when they saw the crowd from a distance.

Slay says when they got closer the crowd ran off, leaving the bloody and unconscious victim and a friend.

The friend said he and the victim were walking from a nearby grocery store when the man was punched in the face and knocked out cold for no reason.

Because the victim wasn’t robbed, Mayor Slay believes this was another case of the “knockout game,” a game played by teenagers where they attack unsuspecting victims with the goal of knocking that person unconscious.

It’s been an on-going problem in St. Louis and actually lead to a death earlier this year.

The mayor called the attackers “thugs” and warned they won’t be allowed to rule the streets.

In April an elderly man was attacked by a mob of black youths playing “the knock out game” while walking home from the grocery store with his wife. They killed him.

In June a group of black youths beat a gay man bloody playing “the knock out game.”

In August black teen mobs targeted St. Louis cyclists in the knock out game.

In September, a 73-year-old man was knocked unconscious just outside of Tower Grove Park.

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chimpout; mob; stlouis; youth; yutes

1 posted on 10/26/2011 6:31:58 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

When they are caught, a public flogging is in order. There is no such thing as “cruel and unusual punishment” to tame these a-holes.


2 posted on 10/26/2011 6:35:17 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Obama's presidency is shovel-ready; let's bury it in 2012!)
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To: Hojczyk

One of these “ geezers” is gonna be packing and will go Bernard gietz on them.
That will be the end of the knockout game


3 posted on 10/26/2011 6:39:49 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Hojczyk

“The mayor called the attackers “thugs” and warned they won’t be allowed to rule the streets”

Not if holder and hussein have anything to say about it. They are all about class and race warfare.


4 posted on 10/26/2011 6:40:43 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: South Dakota

Yep. Not smart.


5 posted on 10/26/2011 6:42:38 AM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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To: NRA1995

This is the symptom of a spiritually bankrupt society.
It is so very sad people have to worry about this kind of violence.


6 posted on 10/26/2011 6:43:51 AM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Hojczyk

I am curious why only the sexuality of the gay man was mentioned. Why were none of the others identified as heterosexual? Was he targeted specifically because he was gay? Is it going to be prosecuted as a “hate crime”?


7 posted on 10/26/2011 6:45:28 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: South Dakota

This old geezer(61) has been legally packing for over 30 years, and never had to draw my gun once. That being said, I would happily “stop” anyone who tried the “knock out” game with me. In all honesty, I welcome anyone to try it.


8 posted on 10/26/2011 6:50:57 AM PDT by bullcricker
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To: Hojczyk
Obama’s people having fun. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
9 posted on 10/26/2011 6:52:27 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: baddog 219

The “Tribe” ......at “play”.


10 posted on 10/26/2011 6:59:48 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: baddog 219
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

Memo to self: Change the oil in the chipper-shredder.

11 posted on 10/26/2011 7:01:11 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Hojczyk

The attackers must be from the Lancaster area of Pa. where a lot of Amish have fled to find a better life in St.Louis.


12 posted on 10/26/2011 7:01:47 AM PDT by certrtwngnut
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To: Hojczyk

I HATE the term, “Knockout game”. It minimizes what it really is.. a brutal crime against someone. In the one case, it was murder. A game is Monopoly or checkers... it doesn’t kill someone or leave them in a coma. Sheesh....


13 posted on 10/26/2011 7:04:29 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: bullcricker
That being said, I would happily “stop” anyone who tried the “knock out” game with me. In all honesty, I welcome anyone to try it.

These low life bastards count on the element of surprise, you might not even have time to draw a gun.

14 posted on 10/26/2011 7:09:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: bullcricker
I stand behind your comments 1000%, but unfortunately these Cowards are sucker punching unsuspecting people, so I doubt you'd have time to draw your weapon.
However with that said,,,

Lock and Load!

15 posted on 10/26/2011 7:10:22 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: South Dakota
One of these “ geezers” is gonna be packing and will go Bernard gietz on them.

I figure that you get knocked out before you have a chance to deholster your weapon. Roof Top snipers would be better.

16 posted on 10/26/2011 7:11:27 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: momtothree

And, it disguises who the victims are and the motivations of the perps.

These are racial hate crimes committed by “payback” racists.


17 posted on 10/26/2011 7:14:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Hojczyk
Wait until a few days before the election, this will suddenly be a nationwide epidemic. Teenagers using violence to keep people from going to the polls is a fascist tradition and the democrat party has always been a fascist party. Both these attacks on individuals and gangs running wild through stores will be prominent in the news the last four or five days before the election and it WILL have the desired effect in many parts of the country.

Don't put anything past these fascist SOBs. Those in the fascist democrat leadership have all worked their entire life to put fascist one party rule in place and they were so sure they had finally achieved their goal that they were gloating about it in 2009. Now that it's clearly slipping away from them they're more than desperate. Don't even be shocked if someone at one of the current "occupy" sites is a suicide bomber who kills police by blowing them-self up.

18 posted on 10/26/2011 7:15:41 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Hojczyk

I’ve been reading reports about flash mobs and knock-out ‘games’ for about a year now. And in every comment section, the observation is invariably made that the time is soon coming when Holder’s people unwittingly select an armed man for their next victim, and wind up liberally ventilated for their trouble. Nothing would make me happier, but I’m beginning to wonder when the odds are going to turn on these thugs. I can’t recall a single incident where a victim actually fought back - with his fists, much less a pistol. Maybe these animals will need to take their offensive to the next level - full-strength forays into middle-class subdivisions - before they get what they deserve.


19 posted on 10/26/2011 7:23:47 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: MrB

You are right, MrB. If a group of white thugs looked for a middle aged black man to beat into a coma or to death... it would be called a vicious hate crime. I guess middle aged white guys being hurt is all fun and games.


20 posted on 10/26/2011 7:25:57 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: bullcricker
I have seen video of an attack and quite frankly I'm 100% sure that a gun would not have helped the victim in the attack I saw. In the video a white man in his 30's, was just walking down the sidewalk alone. He passed through a small group of young black men, who did not appear to be together. It looked more like 3 or 4 groups of two to three individuals. They also did not seem to be paying any attention to the victim or even looking at him. As the victim passed by two of the thugs, one of them suddenly took a few steps towards the victim and cold cocked him with a punch that had his entire body weight and forward motion behind it. The poor victim never even saw it coming, he was hit on the side of the head as he passed and was totally defenseless against the attack. As he fell to the ground, all the young black men swarmed him, punching and kicking for a few seconds. Then they all rann off together down the street.

The only way a gun would have helped this man was if he had moved to the other side of the street, had his hand on the gun and had the group try to intercept him. As it was, this was a cowardly and instantanious attack against an undefended target. It's pretty hard to use a gun when you are knocked senseless without warning.

21 posted on 10/26/2011 7:27:13 AM PDT by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: DCBurgess58

Folks need to wise up and stay the hell out of neighborhoods over-run by animals who want to hurt them. It’ll take a while, though, to de-program all those people who’ve heard nothing but “Embrace diversity” since they were toilet trained.


22 posted on 10/26/2011 7:42:51 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: momtothree

I did not know about this murder. I guess it was not newsworthy.


23 posted on 10/26/2011 7:46:33 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: Basil Duke

I’ve been waiting for them to pick someone with a CCW too. I don’t know what the laws in MO are, but this type of activity wouldn’t happen in Virginia. Too many people carrying.

So instead of waiting.....we should go to them. That’s right. Let’s play a game called: BAIT WHITEY. Kind of like Bait Car, but it ends with dodging the initial assault, while drawing a sidearm and sending the perp back to his mother horizontal.


24 posted on 10/26/2011 7:52:15 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Hojczyk

Multiculturalism boldly taking us into our future South African quality of life. This will continue and in fact increase until the victims families decide that retribution against the community that harbors these inner-city terrorist are fair game.


25 posted on 10/26/2011 7:56:04 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: NRA1995
I'll be your “cracker”.

Let me get back in practice, and I'll take an ear off without touching a hair on their head.

26 posted on 10/26/2011 8:00:56 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: The Toll

—The Color of Crime
By Nicholas Stix
(Men’s News Daily, CA )

Imagine if one demographic group in America were 33 times more prone to commit crimes than another group. How would you feel about the relatively crime-prone group? The relatively crime-free group? Wouldn’t you want to know about such differences?

But we don’t have to imagine anything. The above contrast was not a
hypothetical case, but rather the statistical relationship of black to Asian
crime in America, as detailed in the ground-breaking new report, The Color of Crime, released by the New Century Foundation, the organization that sponsors American Renaissance magazine.

* “… between 2001 and 2003, blacks were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”

* Between 2001 and 2003, blacks committed, on average, 15,400 black-on-white rapes per year, while whites averaged only 900 white-on-black rapes per
year.

* “Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year
involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.”

But there are five-and-one-half as many whites as blacks. If anything, the numbers should be reversed. After all, as leftists always tell us, all
groups are supposed to be equally represented in all categories, for good or ill. (Well, not really. Leftists never call on the NBA and NFL to institute
racial parity for white players.)

* Nationally, youth gangs are 90 percent non-white. “Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.”

* The only crime category in which Asians are more heavily represented than whites is illegal gambling.

* “Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks.
Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10
percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.”

But how can that be, when for years commentators of all political
persuasions have insisted that the majority of the victims of black crime
were themselves black? But it has been true for some time, because blacks increasingly target whites based on the color of the latter’s skin. The commentators have been guilty variously of lying and laziness.

* Far from being guilty of “racially profiling” innocent blacks, police have
been exercising racial bias on behalf of blacks, arresting fewer blacks than their proportion of criminals: “… blacks who committed crimes that were reported to the police were 26 percent less likely to be arrested than people of other races who committed the same crimes.”

* “… police are determined to arrest non-black rather than black criminals.” (I have seen this practice in operation on the streets and subways of New York.)

* “[Blacks] are eight times more likely than people of other races to rob
someone, for example, and 5.5 times more likely to steal a car.”

Well, as everyone knows, innocent blacks get rounded up by the police all
the time, so we can safely ignore such statistics. After all, isn’t that
what the NAACP, Village Voice, New York Times, and countless black
“activists” and prominent academics have been saying for years? After all, although the folks insisting on racial profiling have no facts to back up
their claims, they enjoy political prestige and moral authority. The Color
of Crime, meanwhile, is based merely on lowly facts. As we shall see,
prominent people are already saying that we should ignore The Color of
Crime, because it wasn’t produced by the right sort of people. (And of
course, “the right sort of people” doesn’t tell the truth about race and
crime.)

* Charges of racial profiling, which maintain that police target innocent
black motorists for traffic stops notwithstanding, a 2002 study by
Maryland’s Public Service Research Institute found that police were stopping too few black speeders (23%), compared to their proportion of actual speeders (25%). In fact, “blacks were twice as likely to speed as whites” in general, and there was an even higher frequency of black speeders in the 90-mph and higher range.

* “… the only evidence for police bias is disproportionate arrest rates for
those groups police critics say are the targets of bias. High black arrest
rates appear to reflect high crime rates, not police misconduct.”

* Blacks not only commit violent crimes at far higher rates than non-blacks, but their crimes are more violent than those of whites. Blacks are three times as likely as non-blacks to commit assault with guns, and twice as likely as non-blacks to commit assault with knives.

* Blacks not only commit violent crimes at far higher rates than whites, but blacks commit “white collar” offenses — fraud, bribery, racketeering and embezzlement, respectively — at two to five times the white rate.

* The single greatest indicator of an area’s crime rate is not poverty or
education, but race and ethnicity. Even when one controls for income and
education, the black crime rate is much higher than the white rate.

Things are actually much worse than the above notes suggest. As The Color of Crime notes, the feds inflate white crime statistics by counting Hispanic offenders as white; at the same time, “Hispanics are a [hate crime] victim category but not a perpetrator category. If someone attacks a Mexican for racial reasons, he becomes a Hispanic victim of a hate crime. However, if the same Mexican commits a hate crime against a black, he is classified as a ‘white’ perpetrator. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both victim and perpetrator are reported as white.” Thus, the number of white perpetrators is bloated, while the number of whitevictims is constricted by the federal double-standard.

But things are even worse than the study shows. It fails to note, with
black-on-white male prison rape an institutionalized sport among black
inmates, that hundreds of thousands of white men have thus been victimized but never counted by the government. Meanwhile, white-on-black male prison rape is virtually non-existent.

Some of the study’s many sources were the FBI’s uniform crime reports
(UCRs); the feds’ National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS), in which
149,000 people across the country, in statistical proportion to all
demographic groups, were called; the National Incident-Based Reporting
System (NIBRS); Supplemental Homicide Reports (SHRs); State Court Processing Statistics (SCPS); National Youth Gang Survey; Federal Justice Statistics Program (FJSP); and National Corrections Reporting Program (NCRP). The succinct report slays dragons in the course of mere footnotes, such as itsnailing of tenured California State University criminology professor Phyllis B. Gerstenfeld, who in her book Hate Crimes: Causes, Controls and Controversies, the reality of interracial violence be damned, depicted whites only as perpetrators, and not as the victims of hate crimes.

The Color of Crime – not to be confused with a 1998 piece of propaganda of the same name by tenured University of Maryland professor of criminology, Katheryn K. Russell — is the most scientifically rigorous research on crime and race available. It’s the state of the art.

The mainstream media will surely be anxious to publicize and discuss The
Color of Crime. After all, hasn’t the public been inundated since the late
1990s (and ultimately, since the 1960s) with dubious charges of racism
(“racial profiling”) against law enforcement and the justice system? And
don’t the MSM always tell us that they will report on anything newsworthy?

After all, the New York Times claims to be “the newspaper of record.”


27 posted on 10/26/2011 8:03:37 AM PDT by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: The Toll

—The Color of Crime
By Nicholas Stix
(Men’s News Daily, CA )

Imagine if one demographic group in America were 33 times more prone to commit crimes than another group. How would you feel about the relatively crime-prone group? The relatively crime-free group? Wouldn’t you want to know about such differences?

But we don’t have to imagine anything. The above contrast was not a
hypothetical case, but rather the statistical relationship of black to Asian
crime in America, as detailed in the ground-breaking new report, The Color of Crime, released by the New Century Foundation, the organization that sponsors American Renaissance magazine.

* “… between 2001 and 2003, blacks were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”

* Between 2001 and 2003, blacks committed, on average, 15,400 black-on-white rapes per year, while whites averaged only 900 white-on-black rapes per
year.

* “Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year
involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.”

But there are five-and-one-half as many whites as blacks. If anything, the numbers should be reversed. After all, as leftists always tell us, all
groups are supposed to be equally represented in all categories, for good or ill. (Well, not really. Leftists never call on the NBA and NFL to institute
racial parity for white players.)

* Nationally, youth gangs are 90 percent non-white. “Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.”

* The only crime category in which Asians are more heavily represented than whites is illegal gambling.

* “Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks.
Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10
percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.”

But how can that be, when for years commentators of all political
persuasions have insisted that the majority of the victims of black crime
were themselves black? But it has been true for some time, because blacks increasingly target whites based on the color of the latter’s skin. The commentators have been guilty variously of lying and laziness.

* Far from being guilty of “racially profiling” innocent blacks, police have
been exercising racial bias on behalf of blacks, arresting fewer blacks than their proportion of criminals: “… blacks who committed crimes that were reported to the police were 26 percent less likely to be arrested than people of other races who committed the same crimes.”

* “… police are determined to arrest non-black rather than black criminals.” (I have seen this practice in operation on the streets and subways of New York.)

* “[Blacks] are eight times more likely than people of other races to rob
someone, for example, and 5.5 times more likely to steal a car.”

Well, as everyone knows, innocent blacks get rounded up by the police all
the time, so we can safely ignore such statistics. After all, isn’t that
what the NAACP, Village Voice, New York Times, and countless black
“activists” and prominent academics have been saying for years? After all, although the folks insisting on racial profiling have no facts to back up
their claims, they enjoy political prestige and moral authority. The Color
of Crime, meanwhile, is based merely on lowly facts. As we shall see,
prominent people are already saying that we should ignore The Color of
Crime, because it wasn’t produced by the right sort of people. (And of
course, “the right sort of people” doesn’t tell the truth about race and
crime.)

* Charges of racial profiling, which maintain that police target innocent
black motorists for traffic stops notwithstanding, a 2002 study by
Maryland’s Public Service Research Institute found that police were stopping too few black speeders (23%), compared to their proportion of actual speeders (25%). In fact, “blacks were twice as likely to speed as whites” in general, and there was an even higher frequency of black speeders in the 90-mph and higher range.

* “… the only evidence for police bias is disproportionate arrest rates for
those groups police critics say are the targets of bias. High black arrest
rates appear to reflect high crime rates, not police misconduct.”

* Blacks not only commit violent crimes at far higher rates than non-blacks, but their crimes are more violent than those of whites. Blacks are three times as likely as non-blacks to commit assault with guns, and twice as likely as non-blacks to commit assault with knives.

* Blacks not only commit violent crimes at far higher rates than whites, but blacks commit “white collar” offenses — fraud, bribery, racketeering and embezzlement, respectively — at two to five times the white rate.

* The single greatest indicator of an area’s crime rate is not poverty or
education, but race and ethnicity. Even when one controls for income and
education, the black crime rate is much higher than the white rate.

Things are actually much worse than the above notes suggest. As The Color of Crime notes, the feds inflate white crime statistics by counting Hispanic offenders as white; at the same time, “Hispanics are a [hate crime] victim category but not a perpetrator category. If someone attacks a Mexican for racial reasons, he becomes a Hispanic victim of a hate crime. However, if the same Mexican commits a hate crime against a black, he is classified as a ‘white’ perpetrator. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both victim and perpetrator are reported as white.” Thus, the number of white perpetrators is bloated, while the number of whitevictims is constricted by the federal double-standard.

But things are even worse than the study shows. It fails to note, with
black-on-white male prison rape an institutionalized sport among black
inmates, that hundreds of thousands of white men have thus been victimized but never counted by the government. Meanwhile, white-on-black male prison rape is virtually non-existent.

Some of the study’s many sources were the FBI’s uniform crime reports
(UCRs); the feds’ National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS), in which
149,000 people across the country, in statistical proportion to all
demographic groups, were called; the National Incident-Based Reporting
System (NIBRS); Supplemental Homicide Reports (SHRs); State Court Processing Statistics (SCPS); National Youth Gang Survey; Federal Justice Statistics Program (FJSP); and National Corrections Reporting Program (NCRP). The succinct report slays dragons in the course of mere footnotes, such as itsnailing of tenured California State University criminology professor Phyllis B. Gerstenfeld, who in her book Hate Crimes: Causes, Controls and Controversies, the reality of interracial violence be damned, depicted whites only as perpetrators, and not as the victims of hate crimes.

The Color of Crime – not to be confused with a 1998 piece of propaganda of the same name by tenured University of Maryland professor of criminology, Katheryn K. Russell — is the most scientifically rigorous research on crime and race available. It’s the state of the art.

The mainstream media will surely be anxious to publicize and discuss The
Color of Crime. After all, hasn’t the public been inundated since the late
1990s (and ultimately, since the 1960s) with dubious charges of racism
(“racial profiling”) against law enforcement and the justice system? And
don’t the MSM always tell us that they will report on anything newsworthy?

After all, the New York Times claims to be “the newspaper of record.”


28 posted on 10/26/2011 8:03:53 AM PDT by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: Hojczyk

Here are some stats on CCW and Pop. in Missouri

CCW numbers are from the MO Dept of Revenue (keepers of the CCW endorsement process-available on the internet) and population from the 2010 census by MO county. St Louis city has the same status as a county in the state, FYI, with it’s own Sheriff and PD.

StL County-CCW 14,771, pop 1,020,000
StL City-CCW 3173, pop 348,000

for a total of 1.48 CCWs per 100k people

Also, using 2010 Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) numbers provided by the FBI, here are the approx. rates of all violent crime in MO cities (MSAs and nonrural cities), compared to rural counties:

Cities: 25,550 violent crimes, pop. 5.140 million or 493 per 100k people

Rural counties: 1902 violent crimes, pop. 833k or 228 per 100k people.

Overall Mo pop is ~ 5,595,000 and there are as of 30 Sep 2011, 126,197 CCW endorsements in effect or a rate of 22 CCW per 100k people.

Now that Mo has changed the minimum CCW age from 23 to 21, there should be a fair number more added to the overall CCW count in the next year or so.

In summary, there are only ~1.5 people per 100k in StL area carrying a legally concealed weapon, while in the rest of the state there are ~22 CCWs per 100k people.

Looks to me that more guns equals less crime from this superficial comparison of CCW rates and crimes rates. Non-scientific of course.

I live in rural MO, of course.


29 posted on 10/26/2011 8:09:21 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: Salvavida

Hey thugs-let’s play my game for awhile.It’s called run and gun.


30 posted on 10/26/2011 8:11:01 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: DCBurgess58
It has come to the point in this country where any time you are in proximity to two or more young black males you should have your hand on your gun. Call it racist if you want, but I call it good statistical analysis. The blacks have created a culture that forces me to treat them like feral dogs, never turn your back on them until you know they are friendly.
31 posted on 10/26/2011 8:13:28 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Salvavida

Concealed carry is certainly legal in Missouri, and not especially difficult to obtain. The cultural chancre of St. Louis City notwithstanding, Missouri’s down-state (rural) legislators still have sufficient numbers to keep the urban leftwingers at bay - unlike Illinois, which is nothing more than a banana republic ruled by statist scum like Michael Madigan, Emil Jones and the Daley boys.


32 posted on 10/26/2011 8:14:10 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: Basil Duke
Folks need to wise up and stay the hell out of neighborhoods over-run by animals who want to hurt them

Sometimes that's easier said than done. There is a big problem with this in some of the "rust belt" states. Retired home owners are seeing their neighborhoods taken over by lower income black families. Since there is a lack of economic opportunity in what were formerly manufacturing areas, younger people have been moving away to other areas for employment. The ones who stay in these areas are the folks who own their homes and are past retirement age. When houses come up for sale, no one buys them and they end up becoming HUD sales or section 8 rentals. You end up with a neighborhood populated by an aging, retired white population and a much younger, poorer black population. Wherever you see this phenominon, the aged whites become the targets of crime.

It's exactly the opposite of the phenominon that happened in the 80's and 90's in some urban centers. When white yuppies were buying up old brownstones and rehabilitating them. As a result, the local real estate prices went up and priced the poorer black families out of the local market.

Nature abhors a vacuum and so does the real estate market.

33 posted on 10/26/2011 8:18:25 AM PDT by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: Falcon4.0

Most any time is see a group of loitering yutes, I’m walking far around them and keeping an eye on them.

situational awareness is more important than choice of gun and caliber.


34 posted on 10/26/2011 8:19:47 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: DCBurgess58

Agreed! We’re seeing a lot of that here in St. Louis County, particularly in North County. Formerly strong communities are dissolving under the very scenario you described: young whites grow to adulthood and move, young blacks move in to replace them, old whites trapped in the new ‘hood. And if you complain about the street gang that meets nightly on the street directly in front of your house, you’re a racist!


35 posted on 10/26/2011 8:24:26 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: Hojczyk
Rule number 1: If you value your life,and live around zoo grounds, you will not go outside your front or back door without a gun or good kife along with the will to use them if necessary.

When this rule is violated, there is usually a funeral in your family within a seven day period. Should you have to use either, you will probably arrested,so save all explanation as to what happened for your lawyer.

Call the police? First of all, the police do as they are told, and they have been told to look the other way.

36 posted on 10/26/2011 8:30:15 AM PDT by sport
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To: Hojczyk

I think an ambush is called for here. I would love to see a setup where there’s a “bait” walker and a group waiting in the wings to knock the shit out of the “knockout game” participants when they try to strike. Would make them think twice before trying it again.


37 posted on 10/26/2011 8:30:32 AM PDT by Mopp4 (YES WE CAIN !)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“situational awareness is more important than choice of gun and caliber.”

Absolutely. Things that drive me nuts:

1. Phone on ear, car window down, @ ATM.
2. Swinging a purse while arms are loaded down with stuff.
3. Running in “for just a minute” with kids in car - running.
4. Not locking doors.

We don’t live in fear, just preparation. Stuff happens. It just seems to happen more often to those who don’t pay attention.

As to the “gun would not have helped”. Perhaps.

Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance


38 posted on 10/26/2011 8:48:59 AM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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All those assaults occurred no more than two miles apart. About six blocks east of the most recent assault is one of St. Louis City’s most violent neighborhoods, a neighborhood that at one time, was all working class Germans and Italians.

They are long gone, and you can guess who took their place.

I used to run those streets as a kid, and never was there any of this nonsense.


39 posted on 10/26/2011 9:45:03 AM PDT by Molon Labbie ("It's free, swipe your EBT!")
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I posted this several days ago, with a similiar situation but would like to share it again.

Another victim of the Knockout Game.

Here’s some things I have learned working the streets and seeing how these cats move.

They will determine what they are going to do within a couple of seconds of seeing you. They will also alert any compatriots with looks, hand gestures or head bobs that you are a potential mark.

They will then go into a predatory mode that is easily recognizable in other predators. If you have ever watched big cats stalk, or sharks move prior to attacking, they are moving their heads side to side. The street predators do the same and they are looking for those who might witness their acts or interrupt them. Watch for this behavior.

They may also pull their hoodies up over their heads just prior to moving toward you. It is exactly what you think it is and don’t ignore that little voice that saying, “This is a bad thing about to happen.” They will drop their heads, hide their hands, and rock side to side. This is so you can’t see their eyes, the hands they are clenching into fists, and the side to side motion is in anticipation of a sudden sucker punch as you or they pass. They prefer a haymaker style punch that utilizes a whipping action and may incorporate the forearm to the side of your head. When it connects it’s devastating.

You have to make a decision pretty quick to spoil their plans. In fact, you should have already have a plan worked out in your mind well before this happens. We call it Self Talk in police work. “If this, then this.” Been doing it on the way to calls for years, and do it outside of work as well.

Understand the thugs adapt quickly and if you make a move to avoid them, expect them to close and make some excuse to get you to drop your guard. Remember this phrase, “Uh excuse me sir, can you....(tell me what time it is, change a twenty, etc.) That phrase is a prelude to an attack. Your moving away from the ambush caused them to have to step it up, and it will appear as a rushed act. You will also notice that they are trying to look everywhere but at you, except to grab quick glances to see if you are truly looking at your watch, or cell phone, or getting your wallet out. If you pull any of those out, shame on you. They will hit you with one hand, and snatch the item with the other, and will be loping away while you are seeing stars and shredded wheat. DO NOT CHASE. It’s their turf and they can get assistance from ANYONE. And they will get it, willingly.

If you get knocked down, they will do Riverdance on your back. Getting kicked while down can most definitely cause serious physical injury, so deadly force is covered. If you are assailed by multiple individuals, again, no reasonable person can be expected to defend themselves with conventional fisticuffs, so deadly force would be a fine.

Also remember that if you choose to brandish, or even imply that you armed, do not fall for that chit eating grin they will give you, and the obligatory, “Oh alright, it’s cool dog.” This is just another attempt to get you to drop your guard, while they either move to hidden gun or draw the one they have. Get to a more defensible position.

Remember, “Officer, I was in fear for my life and the lives of my family. I had no choice, and I wish to talk to my lawyer.”


40 posted on 10/26/2011 9:49:58 AM PDT by Molon Labbie ("It's free, swipe your EBT!")
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To: Hojczyk
That's what happens when you create an unneeded welfare state in urban areas.

What, 30% and up unemployment?

And hundreds of thousands of inner city dwellers on the dole, many of whom could work if it wasn't so easy to be paid to be a large part of the DNC’s voter base.

Bored pampered subsidized people with no direction and most without father figures, idle hands are the devils tools.

Obama and his ilk know that so well.

41 posted on 10/26/2011 10:45:10 AM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: sockmonkey

Roof top sniper. Great. Reel them in with a fake drunk guy and when they go for him take em out. Deathwish 2011


42 posted on 10/26/2011 7:35:14 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Hojczyk
Did the old man have an American flag t-shirt on?

Is this the reason they attacked him?


43 posted on 11/11/2011 4:33:14 PM PST by SkyPilot
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