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In Ohio, praise and questions for Herman Cain
Washington Post ^ | October 26, 2011 | Dan Balz

Posted on 10/26/2011 1:50:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 10/26/2011 3:57:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

CINCINNATI — First impressions are important in politics, and no one has introduced himself better in the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination than businessman Herman Cain.

Cain has surged in just about every national or state poll this month, to the point that he is now in a virtual tie with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. The latest CBS-New York Times poll put him ahead of Romney, though within the margin of error. A Quinnipiac University poll of Ohio voters showed him narrowly ahead of Romney. Texas Gov. Rick Perry, once seen as the strongest challenger to Romney, ran fifth in both surveys.


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My question to Cain supports who do rapid response pack attacks on Perry threads just to poke fun or say something crude, don't you think your time would be better spent supporting your candidate and explaining why he would be a better president than Rick Perry?
1 posted on 10/26/2011 1:50:14 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

YOUR DONATIONS ARE NEEDED

2 posted on 10/26/2011 1:52:48 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All your going to do is get Romney elected. Thanks.


3 posted on 10/26/2011 1:55:03 PM PDT by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Because beyond 999 and Herman Cain is a “real conservative”, there’s really not a lot to talk about in depth about Cain. No political record does that, but you can fill it with skittles and unicorn farts and make it magical.


4 posted on 10/26/2011 1:55:03 PM PDT by magritte
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Look up hypocritical in the dictionary and you will find your post there.


5 posted on 10/26/2011 1:58:46 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: magritte

The folks at the focus group were too polite to not say the truth which is the media, DC establishment, power mad GOPers media, etc etc etc WILL NOT let Herman Cain get elected.

They will stop at nothing to see that Cain loses.


6 posted on 10/26/2011 1:59:56 PM PDT by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...and explain why he would be a better president than Rick Perry?

No, as a Cain supporter I don't need to do that, anymore than I need to explain why he would be a better president than Michele Bachmann or Rick Santorum.

I only need to explain why I think Herman Cain would make a good president.

7 posted on 10/26/2011 2:02:10 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
My question to Cain supports who do rapid response pack attacks on Perry threads just to poke fun or say something crude, don't you think your time would be better spent supporting your candidate and explaining why he would be a better president than Rick Perry?

The height of hypocrisy! The queen of Perry supporters with the very first post on a thread about Cain, complaining about Cain supporters getting on Perry threads.

You are really too much!

8 posted on 10/26/2011 2:04:38 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: magritte; Cincinatus' Wife; shield; smoothsailing; casinva

I was reading a thread where some of Cain’s supporters talking about Cain and OZ. Figured out that it’s “Opportunity Zones” for inner cities and not a mythical land. Might even be an OZ in Kansas.

I’ll bet Mr. Cain would think that pun is funny.


9 posted on 10/26/2011 2:04:58 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“Do you think this person could be president of the United States?” he asked. “Is anybody willing to raise your hand and say ‘I would be comfortable if he became the next president of the United States?’"

I would refer you to the 1980 presidential election. The same spin was used against Reagan. Polls showed a significant percentage of Americans weren't sure Reagan was up to the job of being president. His ideas were too radical, and he was too much of an outsider to get anything done in Washington.

By the time election day came along, the American people had gotten to know more about Reagan. He won in a landslide, and the things that made people worry (an outsider with radical ideas) are the very things that made him a great president.

By the time elction day rolls around, the country will know more than enough about Cain that they can confidently vote for him. And like Reagan, the things that now make people wonder about Cain (and outsider with radical ideas) are the very things that will make him a great president.

10 posted on 10/26/2011 2:10:20 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: magritte

For openers, Cain has run real world business successfully, in several corporations. Perry has never done that.

But that is not the main reason I am supporting Cain. My main reason is I am sick and tired of long term politicians. They do not live in the real world. They do not know what it takes to make profit in the real world of dog eat dog competition. The best they know is “crony capitalism”. Such as Mr. Perry forcing use of a product manufactured by one of his political contributors.

We had nothing but previously “experienced” politicians elected as presidents. It is high time to stop doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.


11 posted on 10/26/2011 2:11:00 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Perry is a good man but his one on one debates with Obama keeps me awake at nights.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Simple answer: Cain is more conservative than Anita.


12 posted on 10/26/2011 2:12:54 PM PDT by NoMitt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
why he would be a better president than Rick Perry?

He's against illegal immigration, for starters.

13 posted on 10/26/2011 2:13:17 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
... your time would be better spent supporting your candidate and explaining why he would be a better president than Rick Perry?

First, there is no reason that Rick Perry is the benchmark for any candidate to compare to. Second, the better question is "Why will your candidate be more likely to win the GOP nomination?"

Interestingly, the thread article answers most of this question in regards to Rick Perry .....

In contrast, Perry left this group cold.

On the fifth-grade exercise, eight of the 12 wrote down “bully” as the kind of kid he reminded them of.

“Annoying,” said Lisa Cedrone, an independent voter who supported Obama in 2008 and is undecided today.

Like it or not, a majority of the American voting electorate of 2012 are ill-informed on the substantive issues and the "likability" factor will loom large, in addition to the "articulate" factor. Unfortunately, it is American Idol Elects A President [Exhibit A: 2008 POTUS election].

Herman Cain is likable and articulate, in addition to being authentically conservative.

14 posted on 10/26/2011 2:14:25 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: hocndoc
I was reading a thread where some of Cain’s supporters talking about Cain and OZ. Figured out that it’s “Opportunity Zones” for inner cities and not a mythical land. Might even be an OZ in Kansas. I’ll bet Mr. Cain would think that pun is funny.

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15 posted on 10/26/2011 2:22:54 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: hocndoc
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16 posted on 10/26/2011 2:29:13 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Herman Cain is likable and articulate, in addition to being authentically conservative.
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Please, I beg, do not get me wrong here as I really like HC but how and where is he authentically conservative ?

Could you please explain how or why you think/feel this way ?
I dont see a record that gives me “proof in the pudding” so to speak. I mean, we can talk all day long but where is the proof for you, for anyone ? As an aside, I ran two pizza shops back in the days, very successfully I might say ,and I dont have a degree. One was a national chain but not GF’s.

I mainly stay off the Cain threads because there is so much bashing and trashing and just plain downright nastiness against anyone who is still on the fence even tho I think for most of us here at FR, we’ll support whichever candidate gets the nod from the GOP.

I’m sitting here scratching my head in wondering because I’m curious because of reading soooooooooo much stuff here and hearing soooooooo much stuff on my other groups.
Besides having a really hard time consentrating on other stuff since my cat disappeared and days later, a litter of four kittens were stolen from our newly remodeled barn.......sigh.

Thanks in advance of your reply. You may reply to me privately if you’d like.


17 posted on 10/26/2011 2:31:59 PM PDT by simplesimon (Never kick a cow turd on a hot day ~ Hank Williams Jr on the Glenn Beck radio show 10-12-2011)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry does an excellent job showing and telling why the local dog catcher would be better than he would be, As least the dog catcher can walk and catch a dog at the same time, it is doubtful if perry can.
18 posted on 10/26/2011 2:40:06 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: magritte

Cain is very smart. Much smarter than BO and I would love a college transcript comparison before BO has his scrubbed and redone to project a perfect 4.0 every year. I’d love to see Cain debate BO. Newt too.


19 posted on 10/26/2011 2:40:50 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As is often the case, the parts cut out of the story are more important than the parts left in.


What was most striking was the genuine interest expressed in Cain and his candidacy. Time and again Cain rose to the top of the conversation about the Republican candidates. He was described in far more positive terms than either Perry or Romney. When Hart asked the group who intrigued them most right now, no one came close to Cain in the number of mentions.

Confirming what the Gallup polls have found, Cain was seen as the most likable of all the candidates in the race, a people person, a hard-working businessman, a potential problem solver and, tellingly, someone who many said would be a good neighbor. “He’s Main Street,” said Becky Leighty, a Republican. “He’s not Wall Street, and he’s not a politician.”

At one point, Hart asked the participants to think back to fifth grade and the types of students they had encountered. From a list that included descriptions such as “teacher’s pet,” “loner,” “hard worker,” “nerd” and “know it all,” Hart asked them to write down which most applied to Cain, to Romney, to Perry and to Obama.

The majority described Cain as the classmate who was the “hard worker,” with the others saying he was the “all-American kid” or “the kid everyone respects.”


In contrast, Perry left this group cold. If Perry is the person many GOP strategists believed was destined to challenge Romney for the nomination, no one had given that memo to these Ohioans.

On the fifth-grade exercise, one described Perry as the “star athlete,” but eight of the 12 wrote down “bully” as the kind of kid he reminded them of. When the discussion turned to other attributes, he was described as the kind of neighbor others would not want to mess with, or someone who would build a fence around his own property, or someone who would be in everybody else’s business.

“He wouldn’t be on the casserole committee,” said Sydney Mathis, a Democrat.

“Annoying,” said Lisa Cedrone, an independent voter who supported Obama in 2008 and is undecided today.


Voters like Herman Cain as a person.

“problem solver”, “good neighbor”, “hard worker”, “all american kid”, “kid everyone respects”—all things you would say about someone you like and respect.

Voters do not like Rick Perry as a person.

Go back and look at those descriptions of Rick Perry again: bully, busybody, someone you wouldn’t want to mess with, guy who would build a fence around his property, annoying—all polite ways to say MAJOR A**HOLE.

Nobody can get elected if that’s what voters think of him—nobody.


20 posted on 10/26/2011 3:05:55 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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21 posted on 10/26/2011 4:28:16 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: simplesimon
I really like HC but how and where is he authentically conservative ?

I must confess surprise that this question is asked by a FReeper because I believe that the authentic conservatism of Herman Cain is readily apparent from his many inspiring speeches like this one at the Value Voters Summit [no teleprompter], hundreds (thousands?) of FR threads and his conservative activism as a Tea Party favorite: Herman Cain rallies the Tea Party in Madison, WI.

But since you asked, here’s a quick (and far from complete) overview of my personal belief in Herman Cain’s authentic conservatism, which IMHO must contain all three legs of the Reagan Coalition stool ….

Social conservatism
Herman Cain Backs Human Life Amendment
Herman Cain Picks Clarence Thomas as Model for Supreme Court Appointees
Is Herman Cain Pro-Life? (Dr. Alveda King)

National Defense Conservatism
Video- Cain: "You Mess with Israel, You are Messing with the United States. It's that Simple"
The Cain Mutiny
You Don't Need Foreign Policy Experience To Know Who Your Friends Are

Fiscal Conservatism
Herman Cain on Occupy Wall Street: They want handouts
Paul Ryan ‘loves’ Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan
TeaCon establishes Herman Cain as a ‘real candidate’

Herman Cain is authentically conservative on all three legs and he can articulate his conservatism effectively to obtain the necessary votes in the general election.

22 posted on 10/26/2011 6:16:35 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Brookhaven
"“Do you think this person could be president of the United States?” he asked. “Is anybody willing to raise your hand and say, ‘I would be comfortable if he became the next president of the United States?’ ”

Not a hand went up. Two people said they would want to know who Cain’s vice presidential running mate would be. Four said they would feel as comfortable with Cain as with Obama, but they were all Republicans eager to see an end to the Obama presidency."

23 posted on 10/27/2011 12:21:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“..don’t you think your time would be better spent supporting your candidate and explaining why he would be a better president than Rick Perry?”

Gov. Perry is so far behind in the polls that there is no point. It’s sort of like explaining why he would or would not be a better candidate than Sarah Palin. Gov. Perry is at that “put a fork in him” stage, but for whatever reason has decided to stay in the race.

The time would be better spent discussing why Mr. Cain would be a good President.


24 posted on 10/27/2011 3:25:00 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (REWARD!! Return escaped conservatives to the Grand Ol' Plantation. Call and ask for Mitt or Rick)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I dont usually watch utube videos ( yes I know I spelled it wrong ) because I have dial up so it’s not often that I will wait for a video to download. Hate dial up.

I guess what I was getting at is people can say whatever they want to say , whenever they want to say it but should we count that as “proof in the pudding” so to speak ? Ya know what I mean ?

In another conversation recently, I stated that I had heard him before subbing for Rush or Hannity or Levin but cant remember exactly which show I heard him on. It’s been a few months or so.

And again, I dont read a lot of the Cain threads because it makes me nauseous that nastiness of some of his supporters ( all others suck and you suck too if you dont support Cain ). I almost feel at times like I’m reading the DUmmies.

I appreciate the time and the links you provided and your personal belief. That’s why I asked, is because I’ve come to respect you.

I also do not watch much TV. No cable or satelite ( too cheap to pay for that crap ) so I get most of my news from Beck, Rush, Hannity and Levin and Billy Cunningham and here at FR. I know it’s not the Demoncrap spin on it like the letter networks.

Blessings to you and yours~ and again, Thank you ~


25 posted on 10/27/2011 12:00:45 PM PDT by simplesimon (Never kick a cow turd on a hot day ~ Hank Williams Jr on the Glenn Beck radio show 10-12-2011)
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